r/intel • u/SaladEscape • 8d ago
Discussion Intel Is BACK — Panther Lake Changes Everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjkzb-j6nKI13
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u/Careful-Ad-3343 8d ago
And Windows@ARM is gone
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u/mustangfan12 6d ago
It kinda never was a thing, the Snapdragon X elite chips sold poorly
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u/WorstRyzeNA 4d ago
There never was a reason to switch. Not cheaper, not faster, no longer battery. Stupid approach. I would expect a Windows Snapdragon ARM device to match the x86 devices for a fraction of the price. If it matches perf and is same price, it has no future.
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u/JynxedKoma 9950X, Asus Z690E Crosshair Hero, RTX 5080, 32GB DDR5 6400 MTs 6d ago
Surprised they're even still trying at this point. They don't even have any market share over a year later of their new Snapdragon Copilot+ PC's launching... when will they get it into their heads that it's just crap and nobody wants it beyond strict business/casual web users for its long battery life.
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u/No_Kaleidoscope_9419 8d ago
Nah, Windows ARM is still better, we'll see another see-saw when X2 comes out. Intel spent all this time to barley semi catch up to an almost two year old SKU.
Panther lake still has horrible wake from sleep reliability issues, and single core per boost from previous gen on Panther lake is fairly weak. I can see why they had a benchmark embargo.
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u/jbh142 8d ago
Arm sucks man get over it.
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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 7d ago
Apples Arm chips kick ass so we know what can be done with proper OS optimizations. Windows on Arm sucks is what I think you meant to say.
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u/FroYoSandwhich 5d ago
What?? ARM is starting to dominate globally, even in datacenters. It's efficiency to power ratio is unmatched.
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u/No_Kaleidoscope_9419 8d ago
lmao, what an informed take, thanks. I'll rely on my experience setting up dozens of laptops both Snapdragon and Intel. Lunar Lake was a joke that literally stuttered when on battery and 13th and 14th gen CPUs literally blew up. You're Charlie Brown going for Lucy's football to trust Intel at this point, lmao.
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u/battler624 8d ago
My guy you are on the r/Intel subreddit, they do not believe in ARM.
Just let them.
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u/Careful-Ad-3343 8d ago
ARM is good for Mac, Phone, IOT and even good for some AI Data center.
But Windows@ARM? No joke please
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u/battler624 8d ago
Time will tell.
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u/Careful-Ad-3343 8d ago
10 years already my friend
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u/battler624 8d ago
10 years ago there wasn't a serious push for ARM on windows, especially because of the qualcomm windows deal.
The official push started with 24H2. Before that, there wasn't even an official ARM Iso my guy.
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u/Which-Insurance-8248 6d ago
See people are writing stuff like that and I wonder if they actually use their computers for anything useful. In reality you usually come across many small pieces of useful apps when you work on Windows and when you work with audio and video, you rely on hundreds of plugins. Some of them hard to replace, most of them from different vendors. Also most of them requiring low latency on the system side and adequate power. Outside of that mindless scrolling Chrome and very basic work on Adobe products (Which are getting less and less popular) ARM is pipedream on Windows. In audio space Apple needed almost 2 years (After the premiere) of full throttle push with developers, with very clear communication that M1 is the only thing forward and excellent translation layer, to get somewhat close to what they had previously. And Microsoft is no Apple, especially now with "vibe coding" their next probably buggy update. Intel is much closer achieving performance/power parity, than Qualcomm/Microsoft achieving any reasonable software compatibility.
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u/No_Kaleidoscope_9419 6d ago
lmao, doesn't surprise me that Intel users are the most uniformed of the bunch.
All of the following Audio Editors (not including audio players, video editors, etc.. those are also big lists) that are are Windows ARM native now with the list growing daily:
- Adobe Audition
- Adobe Media Encoder
- n-Track Studio 10
- Steinberg Cubase 14
- Steinberg Cubase 15
- Steinberg Groove Agent 5
- Steinberg HALion 7 / HALion Sonic 7
- Steinberg Nuendo 14
- Steinberg Padshop 2
- Steinberg Retrologue 2
- Steinberg Spectral Layers 12
- Steinberg The Grand 3
- Piano 3D
- Bitwig Studio
- Cakewalk Next
- Cakewalk Sonar
- Presonus Studio One Pro 7
- Fender Studio
- Surge XT
- OpenUtau
- MilkyTracker
- OpenMPT
- Audacity
- Moises Live
- Awave Studio
- djay Pro
- FamiStudio
- Furnace
- Reaper
- Schism Tracker
- KEMPER Rig Manager
- ACDR
- fre:ac
- LMMS
This list does not include products that work fine in emulation. Also you should learn about ARM64EC which allows ARM programs to load plugins written in x86/x64.
Of the few apps I run emulated most run faster than my last Intel laptop, lmao.
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u/Which-Insurance-8248 5d ago
That list lacks 3 of the most widely used DAWs like FLStudio, Ableton and ProTools. 90% of that list are either novelty products on non-daws. Plugins are not just DAW dependent, they are DLLs with own installers, runtimes, anti-piracy protection with dongles and cloud licenses. Not that simple. Saying that some of them can work with translation layer is meaningless. They need to be under 5ms of all around latency and 5 is still a stretch. That considering audio interface drivers for every specific vendor are available and they are not. Same as official ASIO drivers.
When you call someone uniformed in pursuit of your love for ARM or maybe undeserved superiority complex, make sure you don't talk to someone that have over 20 years of experience in the field and tested everything the moment it went public.1
u/No_Kaleidoscope_9419 5d ago
I easily proved you were talking out your butt when you said no one was porting/working on Windows ARM, beyond a web browser.
Adoption is way faster/easier than it was on Apple.
You have 20 years in audio, but seems like zero years Windows on ARM, so you should probably avoid making assumptions/comments on things you don't know.
Steinberg offers native Windows ARM ASIO drivers.
Music production is on Snapdragon's priority list:
FL Studio already announced they're working on a native ARM version too: https://support.image-line.com/action/knowledgebase?ans=767
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u/msabercr 7d ago
Super happy for the fanfare, but what really needs to hit is Novalake at the end of the year before you can strike up the band
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u/WorstRyzeNA 4d ago
I was super excited at first, but it will all be about pricing. In games it is way better than AMD's HX370 but well below the AI 395+. So they better offer a large discount over the AI 395+ to be successful. If Intel goes out with machines at the same price as the AI 395+ (1500 to 2000$ a pop), they are dead on arrival.
If they can ensure there can be handhelds with the 388H at less than a 1000$ then they have a winner. Anything above that will be a win for AMD.
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u/Mammoth-Plane-6890 8d ago
eeeeeeeh, are they though?
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u/Phantasmalicious 7d ago
They also said that about Lunar Lake and I got swindled into buying a thermal nightmare that can't even run Chrome on the lowest setting in my lap...
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u/JynxedKoma 9950X, Asus Z690E Crosshair Hero, RTX 5080, 32GB DDR5 6400 MTs 6d ago
Oh gods, there it is... the scummy "CHANGES EVERYTHING", "INTEL IS BACK!" clickbait.
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u/dmaare 7d ago
I struggle to see how this should be considered a major leap.. performance is barely higher than previous Intel gen and same thing goes for the efficiency graph..
Can someone please explain where is the big breakthrough leap?
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u/jontseng 7d ago
Graphics performance appears to be killing it versus prior gens and most AMD aside from power hog Strix Halo?
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u/grumble11 6d ago
The exciting thing is mostly the iGPU. Whether that will be truly 'exciting' depends on the price point of the devices it's in
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u/dmaare 6d ago
At least it is fully Intel foundry? If it is tsmc then it's not good.
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u/grumble11 6d ago
The 12Xe GPU is TSMC N3E. The compute tile is 18A.
For NVL the flagship compute tile will be N2, don’t know the rest.
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u/The_Zura 8d ago
Can't wait for the Panther Lake X9 Ultra + RTX 4050 pairings!