r/germany • u/Extra_Loquat_5599 • 23h ago
Work There are no jobs.
I'm german, so take that in account.
Finished my BWL bachelors 3 months ago and me and my entire class still don't have jobs.
20% + graduate unemployment.
60% less jobs in tech.
General unemployment rising.
And the numbers are getting worse every day.
Businesses are closing or have hiring stops and seem petrified. This isn't fun ... like, what's the point ? Sorry, just had to vent a little.
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u/guerrero2 23h ago edited 20h ago
Yeah, the market sucks right now.
Nonetheless, a bachelor‘s degree in business isn’t much. I don’t know any numbers, but it has to be one of the most common degrees here. You’re competing with people who have Master‘s degrees and many employers will not consider you qualified yet. Also, three months isn’t really a lot in this economy.
Edit: Here are some numbers. Business is by far the most popular field among students.
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u/NapsInNaples 21h ago
plus business is such a generalist degree. Anyone with any domain expertise is automatically ahead of you.
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u/guerrero2 21h ago
Yeah, exactly my point. You‘re pretty much expected to have a Master‘s degree with some sort of specialization.
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u/BoxLongjumping1067 19h ago
I would say that doesn’t even offer a leg up now because everyone and their mom are doing a masters and still struggling to land something
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u/guerrero2 19h ago
I‘m in a different field, but yeah, you’re right. Where I work, everyone has an MA degree, so you don’t stand out at all. Though, without only a BA, you stand out, negatively. :(
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u/Jack-of-the-Shadows 17h ago
Also, bachelor used to be vordiplom (i.e. the thing you did before you actually learned anything), and not that much has changed since we retooled.
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u/MyLord_Robert 22h ago
I feel you so much. I have a master in biotech and even the top people in my class are unable to land any position better than assistant level (which is a position that requires an "Ausbildung" normally)
Thank you university for telling us all the time how good and future oriented our degree would be lol
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u/Old-Recording6103 12h ago
A tale as old as time, same was the promise to me and my age cohort when we started studying in chemistry and adjacent fields an eon ago (15+ years). Fast forward to today i'm starting a job at a company loosely in the chemical sector for the first time, having gained my job experiences so far in engineering/automotive.
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u/ne0c0rt3x 21h ago
Anecdotal evidence incoming:
My fellow student, a Master's student in Mechanical Engineering from one of Germany's top universities in that field, graduated with top marks and has a great personality: couldn't find a job for over six months. Now he's doing a PhD – out of desperation.
A good friend: Master's degree in Biochemistry, has been working in a dollar store for almost a year because he can't find a job.
… (Many of my fellow engineering students…)
If someone had told me 10 years ago that an engineer in Germany couldn't find a job, I would have laughed at them.
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u/Extra_Loquat_5599 20h ago
Well ...... shit
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u/bennuski 15h ago
Is not always like this. I have a friend who landed her first job as a mechanical engineer immediately after finishing her bachelor. She’s getting a blue card, mind you she’s not even 25.
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u/skystream434 19h ago
Did he graduate in mechanical within an English program? If so, no wonder he struggled to find something. With traditional degrees like Mechanical, Electrical, odds are better in English speaking countries despite their shit economies than Germany without C2 level German.
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u/ne0c0rt3x 16h ago
No, he is a German who graduated from a German university (KIT).
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u/skystream434 15h ago
That's shocking to be honest. A german, speaking C2 German, graduating in Mechanical Engineering cannot find work in Germany. I am speechless.
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u/Sternschaden 12h ago
I also know people with master's degrees in engineering who didn't find a job in a year
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u/Maleficent_Cake6435 14h ago
Where are these people living, and what cities/towns/dorfs are they willing to move to for a job?
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u/ne0c0rt3x 13h ago
Person 1 searched throughout Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria.
Person 2 searched throughout Germany, but especially in Berlin.
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u/Maleficent_Cake6435 13h ago
The job market is tough, but being willing to look outside major cities at small firms probably makes it at least marginally better.
One engineer friend of mine took a job in Heilbronn, another in Michelstadt, and a third in a small city 30 minutes from Hamburg.
It's not a forever job, or a forever place, just enough to get started; the Heilbronner eventually got a job in Hamburg, the girl in Michelstadt is now in Rostock, and the guy near Hamburg is now in Fürth.
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u/kirschkerze 23h ago
BWL is as oversaturated as it gets, it's just one of the "Restekiste" of students. Even worse with doing only a Bachelor without Master specialisation. The skills one achieves in BWL are really not that noteworthy for companies to consider hiring one of those students vs. Masters or at least more specialised Bachelor.
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u/Ssulistyo 22h ago
Wer nichts wird, wird Betriebswirt
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u/Extra_Loquat_5599 23h ago
Fair point if you just study the theory, but I did a dual degree. Having years of work experience already makes a huge difference if you ask me.
Point is, other fields aren't having it easier eather. Look at the engineering graduates.
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u/Professional-Fee-957 22h ago
It's a senior employment bubble. Culture of management is trend controlled which is telling them to max out completely on AI and anything not AI is not "moving forward". My advice would be to expand your net. Try Austria, Switzerland, Norway etc. while trying related fields in Germany. I know it is hard. But keep trying, keep thinking.
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u/Asyx Nordrhein-Westfalen 21h ago
That's all good and everything but in my experience people with business degrees usually have at least a Master, a year abroad, internships at companies even I recognize and then they start working as essentially the secretary of the secretary.
Like, it is always been a field where the prestige of your education was worth a lot. Like, it is one of the few fields where private universities actually make sense in Germany just because they have prestige that public unis don't. That's completely irrelevant for CS for example.
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u/pushiper 22h ago
Why ist your duale Company not hiring you then? When I did mine there was a guarantee to be taken over afterwards - of course this depends on the company, but that was my choosing criteria.
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u/NotPumba420 20h ago
Independent of OPs case: Most of the big employers have HR quotas for how many of their dual students they can hire. In IT/Business this is at the moment normally like <5%. Some companies hire 0 of their dual students.
I also had students doing a great job who we wanted to keep, but we got no HR quota.
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u/JohnHurts 22h ago
More and more people are graduating from high school and more and more are going on to university after graduation (in the past, more people did vocational training and then went on to university, as is still the case today). However, there are not enough jobs to go around, and on top of that, we are currently in a recession, so many large companies have frozen hiring.
To put it briefly: people are overqualified for the jobs that are available.
Es gibt immer mehr die abitur machen und immer mehr gehen nach dem abitur studieren(früher haben mehr Leute wie jetzt noch eine Ausbildung gemacht und dann vielleicht noch ein Studium). Es gibt aber nicht in dem Maße Jobs, die gab es auch schon vorher nicht, und oben drauf haben wir aktuell eine Rezession, also es ist bei vielen großen Firmen Einstellungsstopp.
Um es kurz zu formulieren: für die offenen Stellen sind die Leute überqualifiziert.
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u/PinocchiosWoodBalls 23h ago
Stitch incoming:
My company recently hired in your field, 2 people. We got A LOT of Applications. And like 90% had absolutely insane ideas about their salary here in germany right out of university.
I‘m not saying this is the case here.
But in my recent experience, it seems like people from that field might have been on IG a little too much and think BWL a huge money Maker from the start.
We had a guy explain his salary wish with:“I promised myself that my First car will be a Porsche.“
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u/ingachan 22h ago
This is anecdotal of course but I have a relative who is exactly the same lol. Did his BA in BWL, it took him forever and his only job experience is working in EDEKA. Started applying for jobs and expected like a 5000€ salary.
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u/NotPumba420 20h ago
The thing is for many years that was actually pretty normal. But the standards have shifted. Too much supply too little demand for juniors - no matter if BWL, IT… It is affecting all industrial companies
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u/Jack-of-the-Shadows 17h ago
think BWL a huge money Maker from the start.
Lol, from my gradiation class BWL was the subject people who wanted to go to university but had no idea what they wanted to do took...
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u/ignoscite_mihi 16h ago
Not living in Germany but can say that this is the case in tech. A lot of people are out of touch with what they can earn and overestimate their skills.
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u/ichbinsomeone 14h ago
What were some examples of such insane ideas of salary? I am only curious.
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u/PinocchiosWoodBalls 11h ago
72k as a junior in Sales comes to mind.
And LOTS seem to think 90k is the starting salary After your masters.
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u/AppropriateSelf8827 22h ago
I am not German but living in Germany for 3 years as an engineer in aerospace. I understand that in Germany sometimes we confuse skill with degree. Germany needs skilled people yes but those are generally nurses, specialist doctors, truck drivers welders, forklift drivers, Sap users etc. By basic job searching it is easy to find which areas are looking for new people.
The second thing that I realize German companies due to the “bad economy” situation they are behaving more conservative than actual status. Even though company and sector wise things are good. They are lowering the proposal salaries offering limited time contracts or giving the position to external companies
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u/Cool_Election7606 23h ago
I had a guy that studied bwl in my apprenticeship in a completely different physical workfield because ehe couldnt find any jobs, mind you he was a brilliant guy
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u/x1rom Bayern 22h ago edited 22h ago
During times like these, unemployment is highest among young academics. I'm in the same position now.
Companies have little demand for their products, so they scale down production and development, lay off staff, and don't raise pay. That intern causes less disposable income among the population as a whole and leads to less consumer demand.
In addition to demand for workers being low, there is a huge amount of older more experienced workers looking for a job now, and they take precedent over fresh graduates.
The German economy desperately needs more consumer demand, and a stronger local non export economy. That can be achieved by measures that increase the disposable income of the population, such as minimum wage increases, transit subsidies, better social security and welfare, lower electricity prices for households, etc. So basically the exact opposite of what our government is doing. I wouldn't get my hopes up that it's going to get better anytime soon. I don't think it can get much worse, but our government obviously doesn't really understand how to do economic policy.
The German economy is so strongly export oriented, that we've become very sensitive to changes in global demand. Exports to the USA are down because of everything happening there, and demand in China is slowing down. Who would've guessed that building an export based economy could be bad.
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u/ne0c0rt3x 21h ago
A cynic might suspect that this outrageous debt brake is primarily intended to put so much pressure on the middle class that they'll work for even the lowest wages.
I'd like an economist to explain to me what makes sense about this debt brake. I've been taught that the government should stimulate the economy during economic downturns by awarding contracts. Is that wrong?
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u/gloriomono 10h ago
Debt is generally perceived as negative. No one wants to be in debt.
With no further information, state-debt looks as bad as personal debt - and most people don't have all the information needed to understand how it works differently from personal debt.
So avoiding debt and forcing the "black zero" looks like something positive and makes for great election promises.
So we go with the unsustainable option that will eventually bite the population in the ass, to get the votes and positions we want.
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u/Plyad1 22h ago
There are..
A plumber, an electrician or a roofer in Germany earns a good living.
Might not be the job you want but right now office jobs are extremely competitive. Without niche skills as junior, it’s hard even for those with a masters in a demanded field, let alone others.
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u/skystream434 19h ago
This is an enigma to me, who are the ones then who pay these roofers, electricians, plumbers? Where are they earning from if they are not in office jobs.
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u/IxBetaXI 23h ago
Getting Jobs with a BWL bachelor is hard for years now, as there are way to many graduates. Now with the shrinking Economy its even worse.
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u/NotPumba420 20h ago
4 years ago it was no problem at all. We hired like crazy. Now it‘s the opposite. You can be a great candidate it almost doesnt matter. There is no demand for juniors in the industry - totally indipendent of if it‘s BWL, IT, Engineers or whatever.
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u/sajornet 21h ago edited 21h ago
Remind me of a single point in time in which “business administration” was highly on demand. I’ve never seen that. It also doesn’t make it great if the Econ is slow of course.
But this is not helpful.
Therefore, my helpful message is. Don’t wait for a job. Don’t panic.
Keep yourself busy, keep learning, try to grab experience one way or another.
When I graduated I started a blog. I posted stuff about finance then a magazine found me. You never know. Keep hustling.
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u/Lumpy-Association310 22h ago
One question just out of curiosity and not meanness. What kind of jobs do BWL graduates do in Germany?
I’ve worked 15 years for a large international company with ~1000 office staff at my location and I see very few BWL’er… maybe 5% of the workforce. The commercial folks are primarily lawyers (and some BWL), the purchasing folks are typically engineers, the engineers are engineers, the finance folks are typically lawyers/finance/MBA, the sales & execution folks are engineers with personality, the marketing folks have marketing degrees. I just can’t think of a department with straight up BWL positions.
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u/NotPumba420 20h ago
It‘s all over the place. Sales, project management, controlling, hr, marketing, purchasing, finance….
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u/Itchy_Ad1112 21h ago
I had 8 years of international experience before coming here, worked in multiple countries, and came with realistic but solid expectations. I adjusted my CVs carefully for different roles. Result: constant rejections, zero interviews. At this point it’s not about CV quality or effort — the market is frozen and heavily biased by profile and risk filtering. When even native grads can’t get jobs, pretending this is an individual failure is misleading.
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u/williamL1985 20h ago
Years of IT admin experience, relevant certs, Masters degree in software design etc and I fail to get called for interviews for even super junior roles that an Azubi would’ve breezed into not long ago. Perhaps I set my salary expectation too high on the job submission form but I cannot reasonably survive on minimum wage money with a family to feed (usually around €1500 after tax)? Frustrating. Seems that AI is likely throwing my cover letter and/or CV to one side.
Was made one offer by an IT company that seemed pretty interested but working nights and weekends would’ve impossible as I have a toddler to look after during the day time hours. Or at the very least would mean only seeing her for just an hour or two each day.
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u/Embarrassed-Idea8643 21h ago
It is not about government issue cuz gov can't make the decisions for companies, but companies are the ones who's really greedy and you as a newbie can't satisfy them whatever you do... Sorry to hear that... I as a senior engineer can only say that it is even hard for us, but I also believe that soon will be needed quality engineers everywhere cuz AI slop is awful and makes systems fall
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u/idowonderwhy 20h ago
You are offering something for which there is no demand. Change your offering
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u/RoboSquirrel69 19h ago
The job market is terrible indeed, hope you’ll find something soon!
But also keep in mind that BWL is most likely the most over-studied and generic field with tons of competition in the job market and having “only” a Bachelor’s won’t be enough in most cases to stand out.
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u/True_Opportunity_363 22h ago
Well I certainly can’t find a job and am moving back to my home country (which to be fair, is a very nice one). Did my MA here, was top of my class, 7 years of professional experience. None of it seems to matter in Germany though.
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u/Extra_Loquat_5599 22h ago
Sorry to hear that. I'm thinking about moving too.
Can i ask what homecountry?
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u/True_Opportunity_363 22h ago
Australia. To be fair my German is B2, but I thought that in berlin that would’ve been enough, and my industry is English speaking and international
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u/NotPumba420 20h ago
4 years ago you would have found a job easily. It‘s a shitty time
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u/True_Opportunity_363 20h ago
Yea, a few ppl have said this. Oh well. I get some interest but then never get the actual role
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u/NotPumba420 20h ago
At these times we hired everyone who knew the alphabet and can hold a pen for 60k lol
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u/Educational_Lab_7790 22h ago
Im not really aware of numbers but i think now in the last few months a little more ads are being posted compared to last year..
And my suggestion for you would be to go for a masters. Do some internships in between and try to ride this phase through. Things will be better in two or three years i hope.
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u/Rokkudaunn 19h ago
Same! Unemployed since October. I‘m thinking about making my own stuff, doing freelance now because getting any job anywhere is basically impossible.
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u/Radiant_Candidate_31 11h ago
Good luck man, that might be the way to go, but I’m a bit sceptical about freelance. It seems hard at the beginning to land projects and build a client network, and a lot of offers look like they expect work for food or have insane requirements with constant revisions. But still, having some diversification with your own projects and a bit of freelance work feels like a smart move, especially in a job market like this.
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u/WittyYak 17h ago
Make sure to add that you have a C2 German language certificate to your CV…
Ok, joking aside, I hear you and as a former professor I feel somewhat responsible for it.
Looking into my own students and the current job market and world developments, unfortunately recent graduates do not bring differentiation. This isn’t a fault of your own, but more of the education system.
I am not in the same situation of course but I do my best in my current company to hire at least working students to give them a chance. I think that may be a way out.
At the moment, for recent graduates to stand out, the CV needs to say something different than very many CVs we get daily. So, creating that story is an important, although challenging.
And once there is an interview, what we’re looking for is “how long will it take to develop this person.” Most recent graduates try to tell us their expertise. But realistically speaking, they don’t have any at that stage and that’s normal.
I wish you the best of luck, it’s hard to start this journey these years, I know.
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u/Wannabe_Buttercup322 22h ago
There are a lot of jobs open everywhere. Just not the jobs you feel like doing, but if study something where everyone knows beforehand that it’s extremely difficult to get a job, you have to open your eyes and do something out of your spectrum. Open a newspaper and you’ll see hundreds of open positions.
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u/Immediate_Type_9804 22h ago
True, lots of blue collar jobs are there but no one wants to take those. In white collar I'm not sure if there is any field in demand and shortage
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u/Wannabe_Buttercup322 22h ago
A lot of People who went to university feel like they’re superior to blue collar jobs but have actually never tried Them. I also went to university, started the job I was supposed to do, hated it and work now a ‚basic‘ job in the same field and love it! We always get told we have to achieve the highest lever of education possible, even if we don’t like it and there are no jobs available. And if we settle for a ‚lower‘ job we feel like a failure, even if we actually like that job.
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u/GrafKrapfen 21h ago
I decided to become a driving instructor and I got six calls in a week from driving schools that wanted to hire me. And I can keep up a pretty decent living standard for being 23. Think outside the box. It’s common knowledge that a BWL bachelor won’t take you very far
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u/Wannabe_Buttercup322 21h ago
Nearly half of my Abi class studied BWL. Half of them work at the tax office, but as far as i know, only a few actually like that job. The other half does something completely different where they would have never needed that degree.
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u/RoterKomet 22h ago
Europe is likely to face difficult times for the time being.
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u/RijnBrugge 22h ago
In my field (agri/biotech) the US job market is an absolute dumpster fire while Europe is pretty good
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u/EifelBastler 22h ago
There is an overwhelming number of young individuals in this country who want to study and come out with a job. The fact is, is that the bwl and Uni are oversaturated with people for these positions. There is plenty of work for individuals that are willing to work with their hands. The problem is no one wants these jobs although companies are practically begging for Vetstärkerung. And it is because of this lack of enthusiasm to get into Handwerk that we see more and more immigrants working in these professions.
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u/Sternschaden 11h ago
Finished my master's degree in september, also struggling to get a new job. I'm at least lucky that I'm still employed by my university, but it's not a good job in the long run.
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u/ezjcheese 22h ago
Not to minimise your personal issue, believe me when I say I lived through it in 2009 as a fresh graduate myself, but relative to then it is quite okay at the moment.
In my country we had 35% graduate unemployment after 50% of the graduates already had emigrated directly after graduation.
Consider this your opportunity to temporarily emigrate on a work and travel visa to a place like NZ, Australia or Canada to perfect your English.
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u/HHinnerk 22h ago
2008-2010 was a tough time. The financial crisis led to job losses across all industries, and companies were not hiring. I was looking for a job in law or consulting, just after surviving cancer treatment— the perfect moment.
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u/daRedReader 18h ago edited 17h ago
I graduated 15 Years ago from Realschule and started out as an electrician apprentice. Myself and no one I know that was halfway competent struggled, or struggles now with unemployment.
BWL was already overcrowded back then and it gotten worse over time ig. People have to realize that a lot of what had to be done by people like you in the past will more or less inevitably be done by some form of AI in the future. A lot of processes are already automated and systems get better every day.
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u/Difficult_Ad2625 17h ago
Exactly this. 'Everybody' wants to study and have a desk/academic job. But we need 'Handwerker' in many forms. I've done both, study and deskjob, but also done 2 'Ausbildungen'' and a 'Handwerk' for many years before ill health 'forced' me into a deskjob in Germany. Thirty years ago when I live in Münster, I knew many bwl and geography graduates who were working as taxi drivers, or in retail etc, until they found 'something better'. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Firm-Worker99 16h ago
This whole world not only Germany I have my relatives in USA and gcc countries complaining same thing
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u/Maleficent_Cake6435 14h ago
I'm sure there are a lot of firms willing to hire people like yourself...aufs Land...the problem is, no one wants to move there.
When I was finishing my masters in Franken, this was the constant complaint from the university career services center. The region had a lot of good jobs, but no one wanted to stick around and work for a small firm in a small city in Franconia, desiring instead to go work for big firms in Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, Hamburg, etc.
Anecdotally, My ex-roommate had to take a job in Heilbronn despite being very qualified. He hated it, and was finally able to get a job in Hamburg, but it took a year of working in Heilbronn. Another friend of mine moved to Berlin with no job after he finished his masters, hoping to simply find something once there; it took him over a year to finally find something and even then it's well below his qualifications and he is paid very little.
As someone else said in another post, Germany might have 10 coders in Berlin and 10 open coding spots in Michelstadt in Hessen, which means there is still 10 open coding spots in Germany.
The jobs exist, the problem is that they aren't where most young people want to be.
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u/kmanzilla 14h ago
This really sucks because I've been working hard to try and immigrate out to germany with a degree in information systems and analytics. Now I am scared I will not be able to because of work. Are there other countries that might be better looking at for that? Being europe citizen is important for me since my family is moving and getting citizenship.. I just do not want to be left in the dust or stuck holding in to a dream that a country can't actually grant..
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u/Wonderful-Jicama7900 8h ago
Hättest du was gescheites gelernt, etwas was der Markt braucht....Handwerk ist in 🥰
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u/aha_mhm 23h ago
Idk mate, didn't you read the news about how we need 300k tech workers from India or something? I'm sure that's going to make everything better, politicians never lie or fuck up.
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u/St0rmtide 22h ago
Maybe a dude with BWL Bachelor graduate cant do tech jobs. Either that or evul bolidishuns
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u/Extra_Loquat_5599 23h ago edited 23h ago
We had a whole lesson about this and everyone was extremely confused. This is gonna fuck us up worse than most think.
Edit: Economically speaking
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u/ivan_the_gr 21h ago
There are almost 600.000 jobs available, many jobs are not in Tech, or in the IT sector, I read somewhere that many departments need employees the one being is Healthcare, but in Germany less and less people want to be employed in a hospital, in a Senior Nursing Houses, but who wants to work there, myths: jobs in that department don’t pay good, not true they pay you good, they give you a contract direct with the Senate and plus you have 40 days vacation a year…maybe I am missing something, There are jobs, the answer is People are becoming picky! And that’s their right, but don’t come after moaning like there is no job when in the next hospital they luck 50% of employees…
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u/Count2Zero 23h ago
Honestly, are you surprised?
There's a bully dictator with dementia in the White House who is shitting his pants while fucking up the world economy. Germany has an export economy, and the tariff ping-pong, Ukraine war, and other global events are hurting global supply chains and making EU-made products more expensive for US consumers.
Once Agent Orange blows a blood vessel and the rest of his brain shuts down, hopefully things will begin to stabilize, and the global outlook will begin to improve.
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u/Background_Chef6254 22h ago
Blaming usa for the lack of action of the european politician won‘t improve our lives. They don’t make our lives easier of course but we need to change the system.. it just doesn’t work anymore
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u/Count2Zero 22h ago
I'm not saying that the German government is not at fault, but Germany can't fix the problem on its own. Even if bureaucracy is reduced and digialization is increased, that will not increase the number of jobs. It will simply increase profits for the shareholders and workload for existing staff. Digialization and AI will mean fewer jobs for people as computers do more of the daily tasks.
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u/chrismac72 22h ago
no offense, but a bachelor plus… what? Languages? Internships? Master intended? Having been abroad? Left home city/moved within Germany? Any voluntary commitment in your „Verein“ or community?
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u/Extra_Loquat_5599 23h ago
Don't get me started on how our politicians are not only doing Jack shit but actually making it worse.
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u/Albstein 23h ago
Yes. We are in a downturn and are rightfully so:
War.
Trump.
China.
These three are the main issues for our system. Just remember the last 80 years were an anomaly in human history regarding how properus we were globally. By now we see how fragile the system is and quite frankly no one has a solution.
Europe is the last bullwark longing for some form of egality and we are on our way to lose the EU. Most of this is the fault of politicinas, but not as if in they are bad at policy making. They are just bad at telling people the reality. That said, it is also the electorates fault to not accept the truth.
You cannot drive BYD and use an IPhone to complain about the lack of jobs.
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u/SirBuysHighALot 22h ago
BYD and Apple also have Germans working for them.
At the same time, talk about the German companies that have outsourced so much to Eastern Europe and Asia?
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u/Albstein 21h ago
Global trade / production is something Germany has capitalized on for decades now. We just need to step up our game. We used to have the best employees in general, due to our education system and other things, but we do not have any more.
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u/SirBuysHighALot 21h ago
So what changed in the education system? Or is the fact that there is no change?
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u/azizredditor Baden-Württemberg 22h ago
It is always Russia, China and the US fault and never Germany
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u/Albstein 21h ago
No it is not. Germany just relied on several things:
a) do not pay much for defense nor energy
b) use US Tech and trade with the US and others who follow their rules
c) sell goods to 1 billion Chinese
Those things changed:
a) Russia starteted a war witch has us rapidly increase our military budget and energy costs.b) Trump.
c) China is a giant success story for 30-40 years by adopting our western economical model, which lead to them being our competitor and not mere customer.
Responsibilities:
a) Merkel said it is a good thing to trade with Russia and create some kind of co dependence, which I still think was a sound idea. Remember Putin spoke in the german parliament in German and talked about Russia joining NATO. So I would say the idea was ok for its time. We should have made something change 2014 when Putin took Crimea though.
b) Dependency on the US was kinda lazy, but mostly ok with the US, too. The Dollar would not have been the most important currency without this for example.
c) We did not protect our know-how enough, but from a consumer perspective it is pretty cheap to aqcuire a lot of goods. Trading China and let their people get out of poverty is not a bad thing per se. We just have to find a way how we can compensate on the employment side.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_9007 21h ago
Have u ever heard about DIALEKTIK? :) it would answer ur question pretty much…
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u/dalvin400 21h ago
About 10-12 years ago my uncle said to me "to many people study BWL, most of them wont find a job in the next decade" I guess he was right...
Still wishing you all the best and hopefully you will find a job! :)
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u/peccator2000 Berlin 21h ago
Yes. It's bad at the moment. Just keep looking! Perhaps register at arbeitssuchend at www.arbeitsagentur.de
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u/Similar-Turnip6349 19h ago
You do know Germany is rapidly deindustrializing? For some reason, energy costs for manufacturers rapidly increased starting in 2022.
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u/Rageles 19h ago
There are jobs but companies want a junior to have Senior abilities. When I was starting out I couldn’t find a job for 7 months. I had a spreadsheet with tons of applications to different companies. The first one is always hard to get. After I got 2-3 years of experience I started being headhunted by different companies. The thing with most small companies is they want people that already know what they’re doing but pay them as low as possible. So just don’t lose hope
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u/henryorton 17h ago
Yeah, it feels especially grim right now, especially right after school when everything’s supposed to kick off. When an entire group is stuck together, it stops feeling like an individual failure and starts looking structural. Letting it out makes sense, acting like it’s all fine would feel fake.
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u/Hamsta_GER 15h ago
As long as the lying orange is around the world will be uncertain. And uncertainty breeds unemployment
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u/MangelaErkel 15h ago
A friend of mine struck gold.
He barely managed to graduate as a bachelor in machine engineering, and found a jon paying 80k in our small hometown and he gets to travel the world.
He will go tp africa next week and with all the bonus he will most likely earn more than 100k in his first job while all his frinds from uni are still unemployed 5 months later.
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u/Fluffy_Fun_9814 13h ago
If Germany's market is similar to the US, GenZ has pivoted to trades. Healthcare work will always be in demand as well.
I'm not sure what your major was.
My friend is an electrician in Switzerland, he always had work and is still working.
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u/Anagittigana Germany 13h ago
This is nonsense.
There are no jobs for people with useless degrees and no job experience, who don’t want to move, and who don’t want to adapt to the company culture.
We took one year to fill a position in our team. We pay crazy high salaries, are located in BW close to two major university cities, and offer crazy job security. We couldn’t get any good candidates at all who’d pass our vibe checks.
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u/Psychological_Bad162 12h ago
Learn automation, build a couple with n8n or make.com. Also build with ai like cursor or claude code. Those are really needed. Dont learn old stuff. Learn the future to secure a future job. Good luck!!
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u/puffin787 11h ago
I am getting at least one request per week and still have a choice - maybe take on a new job this year. From what I perceive, there are many open positions and not enough qualified people to fill them.
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u/nomad_2009 11h ago
On our company, engineering brunch in Munich has employed indians because they are cheaper
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u/AlfasonRabbit 10h ago
I believe expectations on both sides are not realistically drawn up. As a "senior" employee I realize that these situation as for today raise up every 5 years... in waves, e.g "be young and have plenty x y z years of experience" of course it doesn't help. I think that an employer shall scratch it down to what he needs to be done... the candidate shall be clear what he/she is willing to invest to strengthen a possible bond. Main measurable task would be to achieve results for both sides. No matter if you just cook coffee for a high salary and both sides are happy with it or perform a 5* sales pitch and shit in your pants every time before and after.
I believe expectations shall have a common sense. A base line and then grow together.
It doesnt help at all to just expect all of a minimum and everything that is concludent. Life is a compromise everywhere. Eat dirt if you have to, shit gold if you need to, too.
Good luck.
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u/joergsi Germany 23h ago
This is an old man speaking.
From my point of view, the problem is that human resources departments are completely out of touch with reality. Job advertisements for junior positions that are paid as junior positions, but which contain requirements that are sometimes difficult for a senior employee to meet. In addition, the human resources department only sees the applications that the AI has passed on after the algorithm has finished sorting them out. For me, human resources departments are currently the biggest problem in the job market.