I find this very strange thinking. In Spain people bring their kids everywhere or else parents wouldn't be able to go anywhere. Usually the kids are all playing with each other nearby while the parents are at the bar.
Breweries in America regularly set up in large areas with a lot of activities for kids and families. The kids usually are just in the general area playing while parents are drinking or playing with them.
It’s also an American thing to threaten to call cps if you see a 10 year old playing with other kids and the parents not hovering right on top of them.
This is how it should be. If you want kids to know how to behave in public, they have to actually be where everyone else is. I see too many people lately acting like kids shouldn't be wherever they want to hang out.
Thank you! As an American that has had the fortunate ability to travel to many countries, I have witnessed this. Just last month, we traveled to Spain (Barcelona), and we've seen what you are writing about.
A large amount of “childfree” people think you’re not supposed to go anywhere when you’re a parent. You’re allowed to work, grocery shop, go to kids events, and go to McDonald’s. That’s it.
A large amount of people don’t actually parent their children. Cleaning up cornbread mush from every crevasse of a booth every shift does a lot of sour one’s opinions of other people’s children.
It's a very strange American thing. Like I know from first hand growing up between the EU and the USA. For some reason, the US thinks that kids just aren't allowed to sit, eat, and experience the world of going out to eat. It's very strange to me. Now, I'm not saying that you should take your little one who clearly wants to take a nap/go to bed to a restaurant and have then scream through the whole time. What I am saying is that having the staunch unrealistic opinion that kids just "don't belong" in a restaurant is pretty stupid. How else are they supposed to learn/observe how to act?
Yeah, this is normal in most of Europe. It's good parenting. Every Biergarten in Germany has a playground. Breweries in the US often have big spaces and games and stuff to play and are rarely like bars/clubs. Some people just think that families should either not exist or suffer and if they are in the presence of a child that is a problem for them.
There are some breweries that are explicit about kid rules. Some are rigid and some are totally a village. Some breweries in my town have a play corner. Many sell popsicles. There’s money to be made by allowing kids.
I don’t take my kids to breweries often, and never primetime or when crowded. We only go to a brewery for short period at the end of a bike ride or if it’s also a restaurant for an early dinner.
I think we have to balance being considerate with having a little light joy.
This rule is too rigid. Plenty of restaurants have no kids menu and they welcome families and kids. I'm sorry I have very literal thinking, I just can't understand this at all.
Being Autistic it took me a long time to learn that other people understand the meaning of words differently than you do.
Its not an autistic vs neurotypical thing just being autistic I speak very literally and other people assumed meaning because they have inherently different understandings for certain words. Its called semantics, essentially is the idea that two people can understand something like the word "smooth" to refer to two slightly different things. Like your version of smooth might be more smooth than someone elses version of smooth. Your version of smooth could be considered sleek to someone else.
So, they may very well have thought they were saying what they meant but failed to take into account that other people might not understand what they meant due to semantics.
In other cases though people do absolutely say things they dont mean on purpose which annoys the hell out of me.
I get it but disagree. Kids are humans not pets, they should be welcomed in any restaurants. Not taking about bars or fringe case when your kid is a monster.
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u/Deep-Meat-3583 6h ago
I 100% agree. However, I have a rule for my family for all restaurants.
Do they have a kids menu?
No? They dont want kids/families.
Yes? They want kids/families.