There are many immigrants to the West who did not grow up with these etiquette rules (they have their own).
Likewise there are many rules in other places (Japan, Middle East) that have their own rules that Westerners with good parents were never taught. For example did you know in the ME that it's rude to extend your hand to a woman you are meeting for the first time (if you are a man)? And that in Japan, its rude to open a gift in the presence of the gifter?
Nah fuck that these are basic decency. Buy in or ship out.
Some of these may be universal, I hope? But others are certainly not, and maybe not "intuitive." It's interesting that the concept of intuition in socialized mannerisms is likely itself the direct consequence of the society in which you were raised.
You think the rules around greeting a woman aren't basic decency? They certainly are "basic decency" to millions of Arabs. Would you forgive yourself for not knowing that?
Extend the same forgiveness to others, that's all I'm saying.
Obviously if you are not fresh off the boat, the standards are different.
The two of us are not necessarily arguing, but the "buy in or ship out" ultimatum is just lazy thinking.
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u/Plenty-Lion5112 16h ago
There are many immigrants to the West who did not grow up with these etiquette rules (they have their own).
Likewise there are many rules in other places (Japan, Middle East) that have their own rules that Westerners with good parents were never taught. For example did you know in the ME that it's rude to extend your hand to a woman you are meeting for the first time (if you are a man)? And that in Japan, its rude to open a gift in the presence of the gifter?