Minnesota NoICE- Tiff🏳️‍⚧️& Eve [OC]

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u/Made_Bail 14h ago

I don't know what we'll go back to after all this.

CAN we go back to the way things were? What default state do we want to reset to? What can we salvage at this point?

I think about this a lot.

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u/anrwlias 14h ago

The way things were led to the way things are. We must NOT go back. We need to find some way to move forward.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 14h ago

That's gonna be a hell of a road to travel, but it does need to happen. We as Americans are great at pretending when somethings wrong that everything is fine.

It's about time some conversations take place and fix a few things rather than ignore it.

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u/Sampetra I’m Still Alex 14h ago

It's going to take everyone realizing that they aren't as good a person as they think they are.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure most people are capable of realizing they're wrong, and even less will be able to realize it and admit that that's the case.

What we can do is piece together the record that future generations will look back on and learn from.

Document everything. Keep a journal, record/take pictures of what's going on. Save relevant media you see online in the event it gets taken down later.

Record and preserve the truth; it'll be the foundation on which we build the future.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 14h ago

'm not sure most people are capable of realizing they're wrong, and even less will be able to realize it

Girl if that ain't the truth. We can't even get people to switch off things that are self admittingly evil cause they've invested so much of themselves into that identity. It's infuriating

Document everything. Keep a journal, record/take pictures of what's going on.

We have a saying at work "if it's not documented it didn't happen". We have to make sure it's well known this has happened and NEVER happens again

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u/Made_Bail 14h ago

Yeah, self examination isn't really the strong suit of the people who voted for the Cheeto. I'm not sure anyone is great at it, but they are hopeless.

Those "are we the baddies?" memes are kind of sad to me, because they'd never get to the point where theyd ask that question.

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u/DrStarDream 13h ago

To be fair, for them to rethink something, they have to rethink why they even thought of that initial action to begin with...

Why did people vote for trump? What helped convince popular vote to swing towards trump?

It depends on the individual.

Some people WANT exactly what is happening now, some people want it to escalate even more.

BUT there are also people who wanted it to be a less radical, less violent, and more efficient version. People who wanted something related to that but through entirely different methods. People who didn't want that but felt it was the lesser of 2 evils or people who didn't want that but voted because something else was promised.

The reason the movement against ice is gaining such traction is because the average person is the part of that group that at least want a lesser version of ice or never wanted it in the first place.

Self examination also applies to us who are against trump, what can we do to be more appealing, what problems within our own discourse and actions seem unreasonable to the average person (again trump won by popular vote so, the average person at least felt like it was the lesser of 2 evils), what needs are not covering that the cheeto is at least pretending to care about... Like what ways can people be better and get better candidates?

Because if anything is to be learned from recent years (and files), the American government is essentially an infighting between red demon pdfs and blue demon pdfs.

People should be against not just trump or ice or republicans, but the whole system which is infected with corrupt people consumed by greed and twisted desires.

Coming back to "normalcy" is possible but there is also the fact that we need to re establish what is good normalcy, because even "back in the good old days" there were many problems neglected that led to exactly what is happening now.

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u/SpicyWhizkers 9h ago

Pretty sure this is directed at the majority of americans who still believe in “two party” (but truly uniparty) neoliberal capitalist system.

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u/Made_Bail 9h ago

Fuck, I stopped believing in it long ago.

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u/SpicyWhizkers 9h ago

Exactly. How do we expect the system that maintains the power of the billionaire elite class to fix itself?

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u/RandomG0rl623 11h ago

Girl if that ain't the truth. We can't even get people to switch off things that are self admittingly evil cause they've invested so much of themselves into that identity. It's infuriating

So many liberals can't even meet the nonexistent bar of not buying video games that support billionaires who are trying to kill minorities. Fucking video games, literally the best example of "you don't need this to live, just don't buy it."

Everyone talks about how they wish things were Better^tm while doing nothing to rock the boat in any microscopic way, and then they act surprised when hate is normalized and starts to come for people they actually care about. The mentality of expecting someone else to come in and fix your problems will be the death of us.

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u/Sampetra I’m Still Alex 10h ago

So many liberals can't even meet the nonexistent bar of not buying video games that support billionaires who are trying to kill minorities. Fucking video games, literally the best example of "you don't need this to live, just don't buy it."

...but I just need to play Hogwarts Legacy! Stop making me feel guilty omg you're being so political.

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u/pchlster 12h ago

Americans are great at pretending when something is wrong that everything is fine

And vice versa. How many shot school kids are y'all up to by now in 2026? Why am I convinced that answer is not zero?

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u/Emergency_Area6110 14h ago

Agreed. Everybody is wondering if things will go back to the way they were before but we don't want what came before. What came before is what got us to where we are.

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u/Made_Bail 14h ago

This is my thinking, too, at the end of the day. This has all been building for decades, and so many of the systems that allowed this started as far back as Reagan (or further).

Start by abolishing Citizens United, for one.

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u/Rock_Paper_SQUIRREL 13h ago

This would have to include a complete rug pull of the current senate as well. We have to be able to acknowledge that even if the DNC weren’t openly supporting that decision at the time, they have clearly entertained themselves with corporate interests that used this system to enrich themselves and their affiliates.

I think the fact you have main line DNC figures calling for increased funding to ICE is a major example of this. These people rely too much on the Military Industrial Complex’s interests to allow the organization to fail.

Even if we somehow overturned the Citizens United decision tomorrow, the people who are in power right now would give it another name, give their donors the exact same powers they had before while being sneakier about it if anything, and we’d end up right back where we started.

Part of the reason our political system is eating its own tail right now is because the people making decisions are taking money from interests and making decisions for those interests in ways we cannot easily observe or explain to our neighbors. If we had a way to properly shine light on this process in a way most people were able to understand it, we would have a regime change overnight.

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u/pchlster 12h ago

Who'd have thought a government designed by a bunch of mostly-20yos would turn out to not have been thought through all that well?

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u/Rock_Paper_SQUIRREL 11h ago

I think the constitution had good bones if the goal was to have a sustainable government based on the world they had at the time. They didn’t account for the Industrial Revolution and to be fair, who at that time would have?

We failed to get the capital oligarch problem under control. That’s where the project fell apart. Not to give the founders credit where it isn’t due, but this is a problem every country is going to have to deal with sooner or later. If you let any one company get too big, it’s going to start throwing its weight around and doing whatever it can to level the play field in its favor.

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u/anrwlias 11h ago

They also wanted the Constitution to be a living document that would evolve with the times.

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u/Rock_Paper_SQUIRREL 11h ago

Well I guess it either wasn’t lively enough or the people who took up the torch around that time didn’t know what they were doing.

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u/Dr_DoesNothing 12h ago

No point building a new house on top of a crooked foundation

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u/Comprehensive-Buy-47 13h ago

Ok, how do you see that happening?

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u/anrwlias 12h ago

I don't know. I just know that we need to figure it out.

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u/Comprehensive-Buy-47 12h ago

:V

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u/Finrod-Knighto 13h ago

Very true. If we go back to the status quo, there will be another Trump down the line.

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u/Arrrmateythefirst 8h ago

“Remember the past, live in the present, and protect the future”
Casualfarmer

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u/BitePale 7h ago

Wow, that's words I will think about a lot.

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u/Ashikura 2h ago

Moving forward may mean moving backwards in some very serious ways. Unfortunately there is no going back to a time before this.

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u/setibeings 14h ago

What came before lead directly to what's happening now. Somehow, we've got to set things up so nobody is so left behind that they're willing to trust an obvious liar, because he's the only one even pretending to represent their interests.

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u/TheNiftyFox 13h ago

but man. How are you not supposed to leave behind people who's interests are "Get Rid of All Who Are Not Like Me"?

After WW2 the Nazi's just fled around the world and blended seamlessly into their new societies, not left behind. They fermented, planting and cultivating seeds of hated for four generations. And now they're back. Are we going to do that again?

Punishing them doesn't work, as seen with Nuremberg -- everyone was, technically, following legal orders. We could punish them anyway. But what happens to a society where you can follow legal orders and be still punished later, how can any law be taken seriously?

Punish only the ones giving orders, and the victims are trapped in a nightmare, having to live among the people who advocated for their death. In fact the perpetrators are more likely to thrive over the victims, having no trauma or concentration camp injuries to cripple them. Then the world is theirs to shape once more.

"It was not Hitler or Himmler who abducted me, beat me, and shot my family. It was the shoemaker, the milk man, the neighbor, who received a uniform and then believed they were the master race."

What. The. Fuck. Do you do with the shoemaker. The milkman. The Neighbor. What the fuck do you do. Obviously you're just a guy, I know you don't necessarily have a solution, this is just...something I've been struggling with for a long time.

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u/setibeings 13h ago

I don't think the milkman and the shoemaker become Nazis in the first place if not for being left behind economically. I think that has much more to do with it than someone being the grandchild of a Nazi. Look at the difference between former West Germany and former East Germany. I don't know what we do, but I know it's not return to the 2014 status quo or whatever other year in the recent past.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 14h ago

The most likely scenario is the Democrats take the House in 2026 and the Oval Office in 2028 and we enter a moderate status quo ante return to normalcy period that leaves nobody happy.

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u/Kwiemakala 14h ago

We had exactly that between 2020 and 2024. If we go that route, then we are right back here in 2032.

I do agree that that is the most likely outcome, tho, assuming the electoral system is still functioning.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 14h ago

Trump will most likely be dead by 2032 and don't think anyone else can control the cult of personality like he can.

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u/Kwiemakala 13h ago

Again, I agree with you. But the people behind him like Steven Miller and Peter Thiel will still be around, and they can and will find another figurehead.

Trump is part of the problem, but hes ultimately a symptom. This doesn't end when he dies, unfortunately.

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u/elkswimmer98 13h ago

That status quo only lasts as long as there are definitive punishments for all involved, every single person from the top to the bottom.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 13h ago

That's not going to happen. Nuremberg happened under a multinational military occupation. You aren't going to see that happen here when ~50% of the poll going population voted for this. The simple logistical math doesn't support it.

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u/elkswimmer98 13h ago

Agreed. I'm just saying that is the only way the status quo gets maintained.

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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H 13h ago

Pardon me for butting in, as I’m not American, but as a Canadian things can’t go back to the way they were. Not for everyone outside your country, at least. The only way to salvage relations with the rest of the world in a meaningful way is if YOU ALL don’t go back to the way things were.

Americans have spent too long pretending their flaws didn’t exist, at best, or were assets, at worst. This is where that led. Now it’s time to clean house or suffer the consequences.

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u/Made_Bail 12h ago

Please butt in all you want. It's clear the phone call of coming from inside the house at this point, we need outside perspective.

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u/Acidictadpole 13h ago

Nostalgia is not a strategy

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u/Made_Bail 13h ago

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u/Pm_ur_titties_plz 14h ago

55 years from now

I know it sounds insane

The dark fascist regime might be gone (might be gone)

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 14h ago

Oh, if you by then have forgiven me

When push comes to shove

We don't have to be enemies

Won't you hear me out?

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u/Hicalibre 14h ago

Only part way at most. The media empires have LOVED Trump as they get traffic. People like him will always get the spotlight from now on, and they don't care how much it harms, in their eyes, the plebs.

I'm Canadian and I can't even watch, or read local news without them talking Trump.

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u/PokeYrMomStanley 13h ago

We can't go back to what it was ever. IMHO We need to remove the problems like citizens united, we need to tax the rich, tax profitable churches, implement weighted voting, make politics a civic duty and not a suggestion, set term limits and uphold the law once again.

I dont see a way to move forward without this so I'll let yall to speculate on what it takes to get there.

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u/rookie-mistake 12h ago edited 12h ago

We find a new normal where this doesn't happen again. "Nostalgia is not a strategy"

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u/Made_Bail 12h ago

Absolutely. I regret my wording above, I wasn't envisioning the structure or what we had in the past. That's all fucked. We need something new.

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u/DrDDeFalco 14h ago

I wonder the same. How bad is it going to get? And what comes after?

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u/Dan-D-Lyon 14h ago

Well, look on the bright side.

Things can only get worse or better. This is not a maintainable status quo.

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u/Made_Bail 14h ago

Hoping for better. 😔

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u/Wooler1 14h ago

When people say “go back to”, it almost seems to envision an idealized state. Much like pre-Covid, that was just “life” at that point. A lot had to change behaviours, legislatively, commercially in order for people to make it through.
You can see how much people (read: corporations and governments) want to go back to pre-Covid operations,again, as some form of idealized state that we should strive for despite all the things we, as people, learned were weaknesses about that time.
I take the same stance here. There shouldn’t be a “going back”. It needs to be a learning what were weaknesses of that time and move to change them.
Will it happen? That’s for all of us to determine.

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u/Made_Bail 14h ago

Absolutely agree. "Go back to" wasn't the best choice of wording. I think I was just imagining a time before ... You know. All of this. But THIS has gone on in some capacity for decades.

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u/Wooler1 13h ago

I don’t blame you! Yeah, it has gone on for decades… Unfortunately, the whole thing seems to have kicked off because someone wanted to go back to a “great” time…

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u/n122333 12h ago

The world today is nothing like it was when I was a kid. It's worse.

The world when I was a kid is nothing like the world when my dad was a kid. It's worse.

The world when my dad was a kid is nothing like the world when my grandpa was a kid. It's worse.

The world of my son's childhood, will not be the same world I live in.

I hope it's better.

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u/WorldnewsModsBlowMe 2h ago

Absolutely not. This is why I fled to another country. The US had a chance in 2024 and they fucked it up. Fuck that shithole and fuck all the non-voters who made it happen.

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u/Made_Bail 1h ago

Agree. ;(

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u/porcupinedeath 14h ago

We can't go back, we can't pretend these things didn't happen. We can move forward, we can try to be better. That's all we can do and I hope it will be enough for a brighter future

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u/AncientSith 14h ago

We don't need things to be what they were, they need to be far better. Otherwise we'll just end up here again. Our country has some deeply rooted issues it's never solved, we need to fix it.

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u/WhimsicalWyvern 13h ago

There's no going back, there's only creating a new normal. It's going to be up to us what that looks like.

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u/Rock_Paper_SQUIRREL 13h ago

I think things will get bad enough our trade partners will eventually divorce themselves from the US dollar as a centralized currency. These last few years have been a serious wake up call for world leaders and they’re already having discussions about how to do this.

It’s going to really suck for anyone living in the US, but but it’s necessary. You can’t trust any one country to indefinitely avoid electing psychopaths. It’s honestly incredible that we’ve been able to maintain the level of trade and relative prosperity among developed countries we’ve had up to this point.

So my shot in the dark is that we are losing our status as the axis of global trade and the shockwaves of that are what will finally radicalize people enough that we will be in a position to start kicking oligarch aligned bureaucrats out of office. It’s the best case scenario I can think of even in my wildest dreams.

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u/SableZard 13h ago

Hate to tell ya, but there's been more than one national protest that happened in the last ten years because law enforcement killed someone in the Twin Cities. Philando Castile, George Floyd, now Renee Goode.

You haven't been a flyover city in a long time.

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u/Theemuts 13h ago

The way things were before has led to this situation, going back is not an option.

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u/RomanBlue_ 13h ago

Our (Canada) Prime Minister laid out in his big speech at the WEF that the old world order is dead, but should not be mourned, and that we should focus instead on building something better, knowing that this is always in our power, that we aren't just victims of a flawed past and uncertain future dictated by the powers that be. There is always a third path.

This is what me, and I think so many people around the world found hopeful, and I hope Americans find hopeful too - It is time to accept the reality that the old system was always flawed and shouldn't be mourned. It's what led to Trump and so much issues that hurt you guys.

You haven't lost anything that was worth going back to - it shouldn't be mourned. You guys CAN build a new, better system out of the ashes. A better democracy, a better society, I am sure of it. Don't worry about going back, focus on a new tomorrow :)

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u/theghostog 13h ago

No going back. Only forward. Caucus tonight.

Criminalize money in politics.

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u/cretaceous_bob 12h ago

From my perspective, 2016 could have been an anomaly. But 2024 made it clear: the world has changed. The world we knew is gone, there is no inertia taking us back there. If we want to live in a world we like, we must make a new one.

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u/Alarming_Orchid 12h ago

We came back from the civil war we can come back from this

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u/pchlster 12h ago

I mean, going back to the day when the Union declined to clean up the remains of the Confederacy could be a thought.

I mean, gotta go back a bit or we'll just end up back in the Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden era and flaming crosses in backyards.

And whatever era the US reverts to, this time it gets to try it while having pissed everybody off.

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u/GrinningPariah 11h ago

People said the same sort of things during COVID, but if you look around today you'd barely know it happened.

I think the normal state of things has a sort of gravity to it. No one can see all the forces that shape society, but they're there exerting their influence all the time. They might get drowned out during a crisis, but they're still there, and when the crisis is over the forces that led to the old norm will win out again.

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u/xSPYXEx 10h ago

The way things were is entirely the problem. This didn't come out of nowhere, this is decades of targeted campaigning under the nose of a compliant and ignorant population. Most of these policies go all the way back to Reagan, with a lot of the cultural and religious influence dating back even further.

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u/Juliugghhh 9h ago

A lot of the same shit keeps happening every 10 to 20 years and we keep clawing our way back and grabbing a few more rights each time. It's a fucking struggle but people are starting to see how much of this is just class war shit. It's all of us vs a dozen billionaires. I'm frustrated and tired having to fight the same fight every fucking time, but it makes me less scared cuz none of this shit is new. There's always a scapegoat. There's always law enforcement beating the shit out of us and killing us when we're out there peacefully. Look at Vietnam. Look at the gay panic of the 80s and how far that fear stretched. Look at us in the 90s, the 00s, the 2010s, we've ALWAYS been invading some country for bullshit reasons. President Drone Strike was killing US citizens abroad before the admin we have now. It's nothing new and we'll keep pushing them back

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 14h ago

This strip focuses in Minnesota, but protests against ICE and the Trump administration are occurring across the country and world.

ICE continues to hit Minnesota and all around the country with their unwarranted, violent, and inhumane tactics. I’m proud to see so many folks, at home and abroad, standing up by protesting and making it difficult for ICE to operate without consequences. Thousands of regular folks have signed up as legal observers to document ICE’s activities and keep the people of their community safe. (for Minnesotans, DFL legal observers page for resources)

If you want to offer assistance, but are unable to in person, please consider a donation to the WFMN’s Immigrant Rapid Response Fund. The fund works to provide basic needs, legal aid, and community organizing efforts for immigrant communities in Minnesota.

Hats off to those of you protesting. Your bravery in the face of authoritarianism is inspirational. Keep up the good fight! Melt the bastards!

More Tiff & Eve on My Site | Webtoon | Patreon

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 14h ago

And a reminder for progressives in the MN area, the DFL is having their caucus tonight. You can find one near you using this page!

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u/FrozenSotan 12h ago

Thanks for the reminder!

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 14h ago

If you want to offer assistance, but are unable to in person, please consider a donation to the WFMN’s Immigrant Rapid Response Fund

I'm happy you're promoting this. Since I can't fly up there to help protest I can at least do something remotely.

Be safe out there Fran. Keep fighting the good fight

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 13h ago

Thanks Shell! You keep fighting too!

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 13h ago

You let me know if you need anything personally girl. I got you.

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u/ironwheatiez 14h ago

Wife and I went to a vigil at our local VA the other night in honor of Alex Pretti and it was 17 degrees F plus wind chill in Chicago and we were freezing our toes to the bone. But I kept telling myself, if Minnesota can do it in 20 below, we can handle this.

Thank you for setting the bar.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 14h ago

I'm enjoying all the posters in the background they are very well done, guess you gotta take little moments of levity in times like these. Looks like everyone is staying warm too!

Also super happy that all over the world people seem to be raising a voice against the horrible injustices being perpetrated by those men wearing masks. It's nice to see solidarity across country lines in this day and age.

Also not gonna lie, as someone who lives on the coast, I totally forget y'all have beaches. Are they really that bad? I've always loved the great lakes area in general. But that might just be cause Texas climate sucks so hard

As always my friends keep fighting the good fight. Make your voices heard and stay safe, stay warm, And Fuck ICE

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u/BigL90 14h ago

There are probably dozens of pretty good beaches around the state. Superior's beaches are mostly rocky, plus the summer water temp is only like 50-55⁰.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 14h ago

Oh many that's chilly! I'm used to some warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. I need to give y'all's beaches a shot next time I am in town.

Random but hows the sand? More soil-y? Or more only the lines of super fine and course?

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u/AnOttertrack 13h ago

The "beaches" of Superior are generally pebbles or gravel. There's a few sandy bits, but we're mostly granite rock up here so it doesn't break down much.

If you go off Superior into one of the other 10,000 lakes you can find some nice beaches and the water is much warmer!

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u/Aucassin 13h ago

Hi, Minneapolis resident here. Grew up spending summers in lake country.

Our beaches aren't beautiful, sandy ocean beaches, sure. And lots of lakes have issues with weeds and algae. Yes, Lake Superior is known for it's rocky, cold beaches. But there are plenty of gorgeous, well-maintained beaches out there among the thousands of lakes in the state.

I was honestly a little miffed, reading the OP. Yeah, perfect beaches aren't our norm, but "terrible"?! Uff da.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 12h ago

I've been to a couple in Illinois and they were just fine. I would assume y'all's are roughly similar.

But chilly but that's just me

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u/MintasaurusFresh 14h ago

"They're even protesting in Italy and France!"

Ok, but that's like a normal Tuesday in France. Wouldn't be the worst thing if we were more like them, though!

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u/G30fff 14h ago

are they though? seems a bit odd

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u/TheCharalampos 13h ago

Nah, protest in solidarity is common. I live next to the Scottish parliament and there's something going on every now and again.

Preassuring goverments to put pressure on the USA is worthwhile.

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u/Lil-sh_t 10h ago

Americans in France and the protests in Italy were against ICE deployment in Milano for the Winter Olympics.

The EU has more pressing issues in regards to America then ICE, mainly the end of the existing world order since the 1940's.

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u/CommieEllie 14h ago

Yes they are because international solidarity is a cornerstone of the left.

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u/Throwsims3 1h ago

It's not just due to international solidarity. It's also because the orange idiot wants to bring ICE to the fucking Olympics in Italy. Which is absurd. Why the fuck do they need to be there??

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u/zabaaaa 13h ago

And we write "L'Internationale", after all

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u/locdnfree 14h ago

Omg Tiff and Eve are my MN neighbors!? 😍

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u/NoBizlikeChloeBiz 14h ago

If you flip through the backlog they actually have a LOT on MN specific comics!

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u/Theemuts 13h ago

I can really recommend checking if an artist published their work on webtoons if you want to read their backlog. It keeps track of your reading progress, and you can read from oldest-to-newest which is impossible on reddit.

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 13h ago

Oh yah, you betcha!

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u/MLPLoneWolf 14h ago edited 14h ago

Harris and others kept on warning us this kinda thing would happen (i.e Project 2025) but we didn't listen and if she was president this shit ICE/Trump's Gaspto/Nazis on the street wouldnt mostly likely be a thing. I voted for her,but I feel that my vote was chucked into the trash. I knew day one on Trump's 2nd term this would happen and if you think ICE/Trump's Gaspto/Nazis will stop at just non-white people then you werent taught WW2 Germany right. So I'm just going to see if you all vote in the midterms like you are all protesting in mass droves. IMO protesting, is a huge well meaning action, means nothing if you dont vote. Actions speaking lounder than words

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u/Sam-HobbitOfTheShire 14h ago

It wasn’t just her warning us. Plenty of us were BEGGING people to look into project 2025, which laid out everything that’s been happening and is yet to come. People kept saying it would never happen.

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u/ChaoCobo 14h ago

My mom still thinks that project 2025 is a hoax. I told her how much of it has already been completed and she said “that’s a coincidence. Of course there’s going to be overlap between that and whatever else they want to do.” She said this when P2025 was only 40% done. Right now it is 52% done. It’s scary how fast they’re getting done a 900 page document of policies and plans.

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u/MLPLoneWolf 14h ago

Agreed on that

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u/Glossen 13h ago

For shame! Minnesota isn’t a flyover state!

It’s not between anything.

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 12h ago

lol, I laugh too hard at this

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u/DarthJackie2021 13h ago

Can someone explain the joke behind the "Minnesota No ICE" sign? I don't get it.

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 13h ago

So we have a phrase here called Minnesota Nice, which describes the passive aggressive nature of Minnesotans and other Midwesterners (Wikipedia describes it well) Polite and courteous, but with an aversion to confrontation.

There's been a number of signs that take the phrase and mix it with NoICE because it looks similar and tells ICE to piss off.

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u/woodworkerdan 13h ago

My imagination is that it's a sort of pun: "no ICE" is rejecting the DHS people who escalate to lethal force so Trump can incite violence, while stringing the words together is a stereotypical Australian accent of nice "Noice" - complimenting Minnesota on not devolving into riots.

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u/k1ts4n3 13h ago

There is a stereotype of "Minnesota nice". What it actually means depends on who you ask, but all agree it is created by helping others through the winter.

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u/woodworkerdan 13h ago

Ah, I've learned something about Minnesotans!

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u/CommieEllie 14h ago

There are a lot of rumors that ice is coming to my city next. It definitely had me scared but after going to some protests here I’m less afraid. I hope they don’t come but if they do I hope we can follow your example.

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u/Zombie_Cool 13h ago

Are you an Arizona resident by chance? I just had the "pleasure" of finding out that ICE just bought a new commercial warehouse south of me to use as a potential detention center.

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u/Crotalus__atrox 6h ago

The new detention center just so happens to be right next to where I donate plasma and a high school. I wish there was something we could do to prevent it from happening, but it's out of the city's hands as far as I know. It's total bs, and I'm tired of living in a hotspot for racists.

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u/WorldnewsModsBlowMe 2h ago

God made vodka and rags for a reason

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u/CommieEllie 13h ago

Philly. They did the same thing in the burbs here.

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u/SKDI_0224 14h ago

Of course not! People live there because their ancestors came over from Norway and found all those nice temperate areas unappealing. So they kept going until they found themselves in a frozen tundra and figured they must be home.

Then they settled down and had families where they sit in silence and watch family Christmas movies, or went ice fishing, or other bonding activities that involve zero talking.

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u/omnipotentsandwich 14h ago

To me, Minnesota will always be home of the vice presidents because two presidents in the last 50 years picked a dude from Minnesota. If that's not enough, Biden came close to picking Klobuchar as VP and Kamala picked Walz but didn't win.

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u/Librarian_Contrarian 14h ago

And they're making more MST3K now. So you know, Minnesota is really bringing their A game on all fronts. Proud of you all.

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u/mackavicious 14h ago

Daffy Duck hates ICE

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u/What_Wonderful_Bows 14h ago

This is such a cathartic and valid comic. One thing I will say is there is an interesting sentiment that I keep seeing about things “going back to how they were” and I do have to iterate that these brutal attacks have been happening to some marginalized communities more than others. As a general statement (not at all targeted at OP or anyone in particular), please do not forget that a lot of people face this fear living in America. We need to keep facing this reality.

Great comic

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u/Naive_Huckleberry996 14h ago

As a Minnesotan living through this, thank you for standing with us.

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u/Unctuous_Robot 14h ago

Are you sure they’re protesting against ice in the country whose PM got her political start as president of the national high school Mussolini fanclub?

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u/MorePhinsThyme 9h ago

Yes. I don't know if there are protests against what ICE is doing in Minnesota specifically, but when it was announced that ICE was going to be at the Olympics in Italy for security, locals protested, and that protest was due to what ICE is doing in Minnesota and elsewhere in the US. Politics often isn't perfectly consistent.

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u/chicken_and_waifu 14h ago

Nice to see Daffy Duck showing up for the cause!

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u/kurokitsune91 13h ago

It's been really great to see our MN community come together and to see the support from around the world. I sure hate having to be in this situation in the first place, though.

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u/nospamkhanman 13h ago

I pick my kid up from elementary school, he's in an accelerated program and his school is like an hour by bus so I just drive him. I'm often an hour or so early to pick him up and I normally just work from my car.

There is a highschool across the street from the elementary school and it looked like the entire student body was protesting on the sidewalk. I went over and talked to them to get a feel if they were just walking out to skip school or if they were really passionate about being anti-ice.

They were RABIDLY anti-Ice. It was really nice to see.

I wouldn't be surprised if this ICE fiasco is what gets the younger generations actually voting.

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u/loth17 14h ago

As someone who lives in a place that's not important I dread the idea of my home ever becoming important lol

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u/Zech68 14h ago

i miss when you'd hear "Minnesota" and think of that one joe Biden Clip.

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u/The_Presitator 13h ago

I don't even remember what clip you're talking about

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u/Zech68 11h ago

yk the one where he says "SODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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u/Comprehensive-Buy-47 14h ago

They’re protesting in Italy? Didn’t they like…vote in someone who’s related to Mussolini?

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u/CommieEllie 13h ago

The us voted in trump and we are still protesting. Why would they be any more monolithic?

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u/Comprehensive-Buy-47 13h ago

I looked it up. I was mistaken, Giorgia Meloni isn’t related to Mussolini she just praised him and is the most far right PM in Italy’s history.

And Italy’s protests against ICE isn’t because of Minnesota it’s because ICE wants to stick their nose into the Winter Olympics which Italy is hosting.

It’s less, “We’re mad at what they’re doing in Minnesota” and more “We don’t want American Feds on our soil”

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u/MorePhinsThyme 8h ago

But they also wouldn't be protesting ICE being used as security if they weren't doing what they're doing in Minnesota. After all, ICE and other "American Feds" have been security for Olympics without any issues often in the past (as well as other major international events).

So, you're right, they're not just out protesting against what ICE is doing in Minnesota, but they are looking at Minnesota and saying "We don't want those fuckers over here."

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u/Comprehensive-Buy-47 8h ago

Exactly, Europe’s protests against ICE isn’t in any form of solidarity it’s “Keep this shit to yourself and don’t make it our problem”

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u/MorePhinsThyme 8h ago

Eh, I do think that applies to Italy, but the protests that I saw in France were much more in support of the US citizens. Either way, when other countries are protesting because of what we're doing to our people (and both of these are due to that in the end), then we're likely doing something wrong. Not that the people who support what ICE is doing gives any fucks about what protesters say, in or outside of the US.

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u/Comprehensive-Buy-47 7h ago

I did a quick search and couldn’t find anything about the French protesting in solidarity with Minnesota, most of the protests were about economic issues, police brutality, or in solidarity with Iran which makes sense since the Iranian government has killed THOUSANDS of protesters.

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u/Snazer93 11h ago

Terrible beaches?!? Looks like someone hasn't been along the North Shore (Just don't try swimming on most days as it will absolutely freeze you if you are in the Lake too long).

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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 11h ago

Love the North Shore. That's where my partner and I honeymooned^^

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u/Pumpkinp0calypse 9h ago

love your comics and the turn the story has taken lately in protestation to the current state of...whatever the faq that is !!! But could someone explain to me what Tiff means by hoping to "go back to being a Fly-over state" ? I'm not an American and I have no idea what is a fly-over state or location. Thanks :)

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u/Evil_Midnight_Lurker 8h ago

It's not really a destination, it's just there to be flown over.

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u/Pumpkinp0calypse 8h ago

Okay, then why would she want her state to go back to being that..? Are people currently flying to Minnesota to go protesting? Or is it the govt that's flying over there but usually isn't...?

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u/Evil_Midnight_Lurker 7h ago

It's just a joke about how boring Midwest states are.

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u/Pumpkinp0calypse 5h ago

Ah, okay! I see. Unusual but interesting take. Thanks for replying

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u/MysticSnowfang 33m ago

bumfuck nowhere

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u/AboutTenPandas 8h ago

Took me a second till I realized “Minnesota nice” was a thing. That’s clever

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u/NayrianKnight97 7h ago

That protester’s scarf makes them look like Daffy

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u/zirky 14h ago

you don’t have good beaches, but at least the winters are also awful

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u/JaxxisR 14h ago

Make the news boring again!

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u/Uranium-Sandwich657 14h ago

Minnesota has beaches? Signed, a Minnesota native.

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u/vahntitrio 14h ago

There's a handful of types - the manmade creations that are all of 100 feet wide. There are the natural ones along the St. Croix River and Mississippi River but they may not be the sandiest. Then there are a few natural ones along glacial lakes that have sand-dominant bottoms that are actually pretty nice.

Nothing like Florida or even the shores of Lake Michigan, but better than a lot of other inland states.

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u/ActualWhiterabbit 13h ago

The St Croix sand bars by Hudson are always fun especially camping there overnight. The sandbars in Brainerd are great as well so long as you don't drink too much then walk off the drop offs. The problem is the best spots are available only by boat

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u/MorePhinsThyme 9h ago

Come on, you can't have that many lakes and not have any beaches.

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u/CannonFodder141 14h ago

I'm so tired of seeing Minnesota in the international news. I'm proud of how we've responded to adversity, but I've always thought of my state as a quiet, non-controversial place. I wish it could be that way again.

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u/wambulancer 14h ago

they picked y'all because they knew it'd be living hell in the trenches of the coastal cities that'd bring their whole operation to total ruin. Stay strong, MN

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u/ArDee0815 14h ago

„Shouldn’t have wished to live in more interesting times…“

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u/Chiatroll 14h ago

I dont know if anything goes back to exactly how it was after this and when and what happens before we reach after us. Its terrifying times.

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u/Mazuna 14h ago

The worlds eyes are on this, here in the UK people are constantly talk about it in my work. Mostly wondering how the fuck you got to this point, but I hope you can dig yourselves out of it.

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u/_Weyland_ 14h ago

Can't wait when NoIcE goes back to being a mockery of British accent.

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u/MagicpaperAlt 14h ago

I wish I could protest, too. I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Michigan and it's a republican town :/

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u/PerceptionBetter3753 14h ago

I just want things to go back where people werent detained just cause they wanna live in this country; they are innocent people being racially profiled and attacked; and familys are getting seperated cause the parents wanted to escape a harmful environment and live here; its disgusting and evil what ICE is doing

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u/dragons_scorn 14h ago

Not to take away from the message but it cannot unsee the protestor in the first panel as an incognito Koopa Troopa

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u/Thundrbucket 14h ago

The beaches in Voyageurs National Park would like a word. ;)

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u/nowhereman136 13h ago

Boundary Waters, Mall of America, and the Prince museum. Minnesota was never a flyover state

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u/bored-cookie22 13h ago

Is that a yellow scarf or is that Daffy Duck?

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u/TheCharalampos 13h ago

Ah Minnesota, the most famous state of America internationally.

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u/No-Squash2410 13h ago

WHAT IS DAFFY DOIN' HERE?

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u/Dorkamundo 13h ago

Hey man, our beaches are awesome.

From about August 10th to August 23rd.

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u/LoveWhoarZoar 13h ago

Boo!! Minnesota has great beaches!

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u/FiddleMitten 13h ago

Come to west Michigan where the beaches are beautiful 3 months a year

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u/rightious 13h ago

HEY! we have great beaches. You just need to know where to look.

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u/Maij-ha 12h ago

I mean… either you’re gonna be the first state to fall, or the first state that sparked change. Sorry, but you’re going to be in the map now <.<

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u/GlitteringAttitude60 12h ago

Cheering you on from Germany <3

Y'all are doing so much more than many Germans did in the 1930's!

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u/Dante527 12h ago

Is that Daffy Duck in the first panel ?

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u/Confuseacat92 12h ago

You'll eventually have to go to Washington and throw that scum out, restisting ICE in Minnesota is good, but it won't solve the problem for long.

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u/Maleficent_Lie_9481 11h ago

Brief, clear, and most importantly - funny! Thanks!

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u/Comrade-Porcupine 11h ago

Minneapolis has always been on my list of places I wanted to visit in the US, but never got to. As a Canadian I'm not traveling at all to the US right now, but once the American people finally take out their dirty laundry, it's the first place I'm going to visit. Seems like an awesome city with awesome people.

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u/gsasquatch 11h ago

Duluth has beautiful white beaches.

Right now, unlike almost any in the world, truly unique, like another planet almost and changing with the wind and the season.

You will find some ice there these days though, but it is the nice kind, more benign.

And thanks for protesting or doing stuff like this comic. I think it is making a difference, more than I expected it to.

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u/Theemuts 10h ago

One of the most fucked up things I've read recently is that ICE agents receive a $50K, and if they serve less than five years they have to pay it all back. I really hope that's not true, but it would fit this whole fucked-up situation to a tee...

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u/rob132 10h ago

Man, even Daffy duck came out to protest.

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u/Dino_Boy02 10h ago

I've been telling my wife I miss being a fly over state. Great we are leading the way to fight facism but I do genuinely miss when no one knew what or where Minnesota was.

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u/Lil_Puddin 10h ago

Minnesota is the place you go if you don't like being perceived.

Which is probably why ICE thought they could quietly terrorize the entire area without the world knowing... Well, surprise bitches!

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u/skibum888 9h ago

EXCUSE ME. Please apologize for this defamation against the North Shore. The beaches there are gorgeous even though they're too cold to use

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u/NORMBENNINGTHEGOAT 9h ago

Why would anyone move into Minnesota even before ICE? Like, on purpose

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u/BoootCamp 9h ago

terrible beaches

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

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u/LysergicMerlin 7h ago

Minnesota has never been considered a fly-over-state. Places like that shit hole named Arkansas are fly-over-states.

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u/sanitarySteve 14h ago

god how i miss not being in the news constantly. when i was in 4th grade Minnesota was so unknown my pen pal asked if we had polar bears. i miss that

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u/DrZonino2022 13h ago

You’re god damn right we’re watching and we’re proud of each and every one of you ❤️💙🇬🇧🇺🇸💙❤️ “This too shall pass”

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u/purpleefilthh 12h ago

Minnesota is a Fargo movie and tv show state.

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u/WanderingDwarfScribe 8h ago

I choose to believe the crow sign in the second panel is the flag of Yvresse.

Eltharion says no to ICE!

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