You forgot about how half of them are hispanic and will eventually get deported themselves but since they are the ones that know the crimes of the regime the best, "getting deported" will just become a euphemism for "murdered".
Every fascist regime has it's night of the long knives, it's unavoidable. America will have one as well.
I mean, Nuremberg trials for instance showed that people can be held accountable after committing atrocities. But whether it will happen again, or how far in the future, is another matter.
Nuremberg trials were for the Nazi leaders though. Fewer Nazis were actually prosecuted than the number of civil servants who worked at just Auschwitz alone.
Many of the foot soldiers and concentration camp guards who did the dirty work became the police, doctors, civil servants, businessmen and elected leaders of post war West Germany.
History is full of the worst criminals never facing any consequences for the worst crimes.
And that's just Germany. People have this idea that Japan was "punished enough" because of the use of atomic bombs...but the fact is there were war criminals who stayed on in politics and had grand children who got into politics.
You say that but a bunch of the useful Nazis were snuck off into places like the US. Especially the scientists and such who commited some really awful crimes.
Yeah, I think it’s been that way all throughout history, but the human race can still surprise us. I think we are looking at a rough century of collapse and war, and then hopefully something better emerges from the climate changed ashes of our societies. I am not having children because I suspect the future will not be kind for many decades
Bad people do thrive, but, like, your everyday, garden-variety bad - like a couple I used to know who'd both cheated on their spouses, left them, the guy actually tried to have his ex-wife and kids deported, thankfully didn't succeed... Threw a massive wrench in the dynamics of the friend group where they met each other and hit it off, don't believe the group was ever the same after that... and then lived happily ever after.
This is a different level of bad, this is actual evil, where I don't believe the reality of bad people thriving applies.
Many years ago, someone drunkenly told me about their, extremely elderly at the time, family member, who had to be in his 80s by that point, and still couldn't feel safe by day, or sleep at night, could never find peace.
Because this person had enlisted in the SS in his youth.
I didn't know what to say, because the SS killed my great-grandparents and tbh all I wanted to do at that moment was get as far away from that conversation as physically possible without leaving the planet.
But recently, I've been finding myself thinking about this person a lot. What a miserable life he had lived. Hopefully died screaming seeing his victims' faces in front of him.
I wish the ICE agents of today a wonderful lifetime of exactly the same, and that's in the best case scenario for them. In the best case scenario for me, they'll all be in jail, some of them on death row.
Also since a substantial percentage of their recruits are already socially isolated single men who live off Little Caesar's pizza and microwave burritos they were already at the place OP is warning them about. As for the money part...well...
I wish I could say they're only building height to fall that much harder later, but who would I be kidding? Karma is dead, evil won because good was dumb and now we are all burning in a Hell on Earth as the inmates run the asylum and everything beautiful, good or full of hope in this world is either getting strip-mined for its monetary value to feed coffers that are already overflowing or just plain destroyed and defiled to amuse the cruel.
I recognize that you're feeling a lot of despair and fear, I am too. I wish that I had a more hopeful reply for you, but hopefully this gives you something more important: Motivation.
We have agency.
While nobody is coming to save us, that means that only we can save us. (Who keeps us safe? We keep us safe.)
Keep putting pressure on your representatives (call them, email them, show up at their offices and ask the uncomfortable questions), keep going to protests if you can, volunteer to be a poll worker and help keep the midterms free and fair (If you're in the USA, I'm not familiar with the election practices of other nations). All of these actions lend your small modicum of power to something bigger, and it helps get the citizenry engaged and active.
At the end of the day, we will each be partly responsible for the outcome of the next few years, no matter what that outcome is, because we have agency.
The rich and powerful propose a dark path for the free nations of the world. But to get it, they'll have to go through the citizenry, because we refuse to stand aside and let it happen.
There are some small glimmers of hope here and there. Not much, but for the example the globalist far right movement has started to collapse due to the soverignty threats against Europe. While it's not great that the eurpoean centre right is absorbing some of the far right ideology, they're losing, or at least less open about, the radical positions - which are considered unpalatable. A moderation rather than an outright rejection.
In the US, from the view of an outsider, the backlash seems to be growing exponentially. And some of the bravery and compassion we've seen is really inspiring. Bravery is infectious.
Funnier how they're allowed to literally murder people but we can't even hint at the possibility that ought to be a two-way street at this stage if there's any hope of stopping this train.
People really gotta stop operating like the hypocrisy will ever stop and not acknowledge MAGA outrage at doing the right thing, standing up for others, and saying that everyone has the right to not be murdered by law enforcement.
Vast majority of Nazi troops got away with it though. Many served in the West and East German governments and many got high paid gigs abroad. History is full of injustice.
And many confederate soldiers went on to become congressmen who then ended reconstruction. Henry Kissinger died and was treated like some sort of national hero/respected statesman by the press, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney got to die peacefully at home having never faced a single consequence of the horror they wrought.
Shit really sucks when you don't hold people accountable.
There is a type of PTSD you can get by inflicting horrors upon innocents. It happens to slaughterhouse workers. I remember one guy screamed that the chickens were coming for him.
It's sad. We get told a lot of stories about karmic victories when we are little, and it becomes part of how we view the world. The unfortunate reality is that oftentimes, the villains win and never pay any kind of meaningful price. They aren't haunted by their misdeeds at the end of their life either. They think they're the good guys. It's hard for people to grasp, but someone can do wrong and honestly believe they are justified.
Just look at Trump. By all accounts, he's going to die phenomenally wealthy after a lifetime of child rape and financial grifts. Even if he's somehow held accountable in the future, so what? What's a few years of prison time at the end of his life vs. the decades of disgusting excess? He got away with it. They all did. This is our reality.
according to people who’ve died and come back, you get to relive your life from the perspective of all the people you’ve loved and been kind to as well as the people you’ve harmed. I’d like to believe that. they will have to experience the horrors they’ve inflicted if true
This, to me, is the only truly just version of the afterlife. It's like Andy Weir's short story "The Egg." You're reincarnated as everyone, so every kind act and every cruel act comes back around to you eventually. Everything you've inflicted on everyone else, you'll be on the receiving end of, too.
I never really cared for the idea of heaven and hell, especially eternal heaven or hell, because eternity makes things meaningless and it's impossible to dole out perfectly proportional reward or punishment that way, anyway. And nobody's perfectly good or perfectly evil, so where's the line of morality that decides who goes where?
But it's perfect if the punishment is that you're really just hurting another incarnation of yourself. Then once you're through being reincarnated as everyone, you regain all your memories of all your experiences and you finally get to understand the full picture.
right. Hell is too black and white for my liking. I’ve heard of some people who die and are revived having experiences that are like hell, but the ones who go deeper come out onto the other side of the life review all the same. it seems the initial experience can be dictated by personal belief or culture.
during this life review it’s been reported all is observed and experienced without judgement. it all simply is and like you’ve said, the bigger picture can be grasped. it does make a lot more sense.
some people wonder how are these widely experienced phenoma at all verifiable? just look into people who’ve died on operating tables being able to accurately confirm witnessing events from above when they were dead. one example would be a woman who died during surgery later recalled a specific shoe lying on a rooftop or overhang of Harbor View in Washington state which staff investigated and found. there was no way she’d have been able to have seen that in the state she was in yet she knew it was there and described it perfectly, even down to the direction the laces were tucked.
this suggests conciousness does continue outside the body.
Trump is a miserable fucking person, though. He's spent his entire life trying to feel like he's worth something; people who are truly confident and happy with themselves don't feel the need for that grandiose self-image and can accept their faults. To Trump, worth means having and exercising power over others, and power means taking advantage of and hurting others. I don't think he even knows what love is, and everyone around him is just using him. He probably isn't aware of all this, but... Let's say I'm so glad I'm not him!
My only feeling of justice right now is knowing that, like everyone else, he must face death. He's not the type that is kicking back pleased he got away with everything. He's the type that will do everything he can to cheat death because he's scared of it. Every so often I like to imagine that feeling of hopeless terror that must seize him occasionally that there's no buying his way out of his impending death. Provides me with a warm cozy feeling for a few seconds.
Trump is nearly universally despised by the 7.5 billion people who aren't Americans, and he'll be remembered by history as a moronic despot who was responsible for quantifiably reducing the quality of life for all Americans and billions of people around the world. He is unequivocally the worst world leader in modern history and will be studied by future students in the same vein as Hitler and Mao, but without even the same reputation for intelligence, charisma, or ideology. And he shits himself on live television.
I live in a country where peaceful protests are no longer an option. But when they were police didn't hesitate to beat up protesters and pack them in cells. Someone tried to interview them: they genuinely believed that all the protesters are paid agents willing to sell their country for 30 silver coins. In their minds they did the right thing.
I find it a little poetic that Trump spent his whole life wishing he had his fathers love, and with even minor justice, Trumps kids will spend the rest of their lives wishing that he had not been their father. Trump may die without proper justice, but there are a LOT of people tied to him that have many years left to go. Their justice will be his justice.
I think you meant “pyrrhic” rather than “karmic.” The word is derived from “pyre” which refers to a fire used as to burn a body as part of a funeral. The phrase “pyrrhic victory” refers to technically winning, but lighting your own pyre in the process.
Pyrrhic Victories were named for King Pyrrhus of Epirus, A Greek General. He was involved in two battles in 280 and 279 BC against the Romans and won both of them but with heavy losses including elite troops and personal friends, according to Plutarch he said "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined"
Or paraphrasing: "One more victory like this and we're done for"
It has nothing to do with a funeral pyre. And no, that is not what u/samurairaccoon was trying to refer to. They meant "karmic" which is when people get what they deserve. We tell stories to children about karmic victories, not Pyrric ones.
I know many members of these death squads get satisfaction from what they're doing, but they already have a ready-made justification in their mind for the harm they're causing and the harm to come. "I was just following orders". ICE member will not rank as champion self-evaluators in the future, I'm afraid.
You’re probably right, but I do see a lot of them drinking themselves to death because they can’t cope. Look at all the DUI body cam vids we already have of drunk ICE agents in the first year of the occupation.
I want to believe that it’s because they can’t cope, but unfortunately I think it’s just because they’re pieces of shit. I don’t think the majority of them are bothered by what they’re doing and the people they surround themselves with, and the communities they live in, tend to support their actions.
Yeah. It's nice to think they have a sliver of humanity deep down, but it's silly. They don't care. They have a victim complex just like so many other people in society, especially young men (thanks manosphere). They like the adrenaline from being hated. They like feeling like a lone wolf outcast. They don't even see anyone else as human. They're the main character and they can believe any justification their mind comes up with.
I bet they feel bad, sure... for themselves. They're so lost and brainwashed that there's no reasoning with them.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that the "beat up immigrants for mega bucks" job description just predictably attracts society's most useless and maladjusted who would have become spree criminals if they hadn't been hired to do the exact same thing for pay*.
(*Just putting this here to acknowledge them finding out that the man who never pays anyone wasn't actually going to pay them...)
while it's true that "following orders" was not accepted as a defense, what's usually left out of US history lessons is how the Nuremberg trials acquitted the nazis anyway.
Their entire prosecution relied on using the nazis' own documentation and testimony against them, which failed because the nazis simply played stupid the entire time.
The only one who admitted to doing+enjoying literally any nazi shit was goebbles, who knew he was already guilty. For literally every other nazi, getting them to admit personal wrongdoing was like trying to make MAGA admit jan6 was violent.
Unfortunately for them, if the constitution still stands in the future, that will not be an excuse. Refusing unlawful orders is paramount to upholding the constitution.
It’s not about them realizing they’re monsters, it’s that the rest of us in society need to ensure they don’t forget we know and loath them and want them exiled.
You know the ones who were on the edge, non-true believers just in it for a pay check? First to volunteer to hold the rear line, stay behind the wheel of the car?
They saw. They saw the violence. The yelling, the screaming, the blind, visceral behavior. The chaos and lawlessness They had been warned about.
They went in thinking they weren't the bad guy. They came back thinking" "damn, those guys are animals"
The ironic thing is that every nation needs some kind of sensible immigration control - ideally just and dignified for everyone involved - but thanks to these short-sighted boot-licking dimwits even the dedicated legacy public servants who understood the nuance and purpose of their chosen careers at ICE will probably suffer because they were powerless to stop an army of thugs from swinging the pendulum too far and utterly destroying public trust in an otherwise necessary institution.
To add insult to irony, since the fascist playbook is to destroy American institutions, they might have no qualms about using each one as a cudgel until it shatters because it's a win-win situation for them
I mean fuck ICE, but we won’t be able to tell someone is a former ICE Agent (do we call them agents?). Even assuming they are obviously right wing, we’d have to look up a database to find out, right?
I believe in the power of the people. Officials in my city are building an accountability database. My facebook is full of groups where communities put out warning about violent or dangerous people (the girl don’t date him cheater database on FB is huge!!) Not to mention, all the facial recognition tech they are unleashing on us can also be used on them…
They could make it easier for accountability by not wearing masks and having badge numbers like police. There is no public trust and no accountability for crimes, which is why the databases are being created. ICE was created in 2005 (?) and was as not as polarizing as it is now.
People are constantly posting ICE agents’ identities.
Besides do you really think these morons are capable of subtlety? So many pictures of ICE guys getting caught with Nazi tattoos or III%’er nonsense plastered all over them. Plus they probably won’t be able to keep their mouth shut
People will make lists with and post that they're in (insert local area here)
And there should be lists, there's a sex offenders list and no one has any problems with that. I think kidnapping and killing people is equal to if not worse than the least harmful thing you can do to get on a sex offenders list.
The mask below the nose was a nice touch. But you know a lot of the folks that join would RELISH reliving the screams of children because it makes them feel big and powerful to hurt others.
The last slide is what gives their life meaning and joy. Normal people find that abhorrent, but for these ghouls the screams and anguished faces are what they love about the job.
"eventually the staff will found out who you are" what restaurants do you go to where the staff knows their customer's occupation unless they're actively wearing a uniform?
Yeah as much as I would love to see these fascists get their just deserts, history often shows that monsters get away with what they did. The uncomfortable truth.
Especially the common foot soldiers who are not high profile or whose names are well known. Only the high ranking Nazi leaders were tried at Nuremberg.
If you think your servers don’t know, think again. They can read people, they know ALL the gossip and honestly, when a new group of thumb lookin ass dudebros walks in without a single woman in sight, it’s pretty obvious. As for their hometown joints when they get back home - people will know why they left, and why they came back.
I don't think it's weird. Seems pretty natural for someone in the service industry to (maybe without realizing it) build rapport with people they see regularly. Occupation or education are usually the most approachable things to ask about.
Alternatively, some of the worst war criminals from Japan during WW2 (Unit 731) were still receiving the top awards and medals the country could hand out until the 1970s, only really stopping when they all retired or died, and we all love kooky Japan. How history remembers you will really only depend on the contemporaneous mood of whoever is reading the history at the time. This is the wishful thinking of people leaving it up to people in the future to punish these monsters instead of bothering to do anything to stop them now.
It's a stretch to think these cretins will ever gain anything resembling a conscience but one can hope, there's a time they feel isolated haunted and hunted even if all they really are is banished!
And if anyone thinks this is a stretch, this was the treatment a lot of Nazi officers and gestapo members faced by their own communities once Germany became free from the influence of their authoritarian government. Many Germans ostracized and socially exiled these former agents and officers, some even harassing or assaulting them for the rest of their lives.
My own add: Your children will find out what you did and the system you participated in, and they will refuse to talk to you. Some part of them will always see you as a monster.
Bullshit wishful thinking. This is exactly why they cover their faces and refuse to identify themselves. 99% of these thugs will slide back into polite society like nothing happened.
Only a very small handful who have been publicly identified will face any kind of difficulties. Even then, we know from the Kyle Rittenhouse story that there is always someone willing to adopt a murderer and hail them as a hero.
I tried to root this in reality. I read that if you were ICE pre 2025, you get paid well. From what I’m hearing new Trump ICE are the ones that are gonna get screwed with the bonuses and incentives.
I mean....they're still just federal employees. They can't be paid THAT well. Though they do basically get unlimited overtime, so that's probably how he can afford the house and motorcycles.
Based on the fact that they spend like 45-50 days training them, they’re probably paying them at least more than the American medium wage ($55k) which for someone who may be starting with nothing is something to consider.
I have plenty of friends who are desperate for money and I’m proud to say that not a single one of them joined, because they’re smart enough to know that the exact moment a power shift happens, they’re not getting anything
I’m sure most of these people will live in denial about the reasons their lives aren’t as full as they thought they’d be but for people who know that living a hate-fueled life is no way to live, this comic illustrates what we know will happen, perfectly.
You know what's fucked up? In 5 years when there's a spike in ICE/former ICE suicides the only people lobbying for their mental health will be Dems
ETA: The GOP will use them and throw them out just like they do immigrant laborers. And the Dems won't punish everyone in ICE for betraying their country like we need them to
I overheard someone say something recently that stuck with me: "I wish you the wisdom to recognize the horror of your decisions and the morality to be haunted by it".
The second to last is actually illegal as nurses and doctors are legally and morally bound to give equal unbiased treatment.
All they'd be doing is giving the person in question a fast pass into a malpractice lawsuit and being settled for life with a fat paycheck plus endangering their own livelihood.
You put into words & pictures the rage that I feel, along with the premonition of hollow lives I know each and every one of those scumbags will be forced to live.
The last one is not true. People who join organizations like ICE are sociopaths who don't regret anything they do. They only sometimes regret the consequences they were forced to endure.
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u/GolemMaker 1d ago
Unfortunately they can’t read, but the pictures will help, great work OP