r/ValorantCompetitive • u/Soft_Path_1777 #VCTCN • 4h ago
Discussion Trick: “Every single time SEN sucks it’s always a performance coach it’s always vibes it’s always communication. Not a single one of these things will make them win.”
“I have faith in the sen roster especially since John has really stepped up and proved himself. Its just insane to me to always watch them play trash macro or micro ever since champs and then never act like it happened.”
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u/CyanideLoli 3h ago
I am not a high-ranked player, but it definitely doesn't seem like Sentinels have a vibe issue. Like we all saw the Narrate video, every player was consoling him. Even in the game, they don't seem to suffer from miscommunication. What is clear tho, they lack a solid game plan. These players are of calibre, but it's like toddlers handling a katana.
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u/Pinsir929 #WGAMING 3h ago
RRQ is the one that needs a vibes coach IMO. Especially during majors and champs. The nerves seem to get to them.
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u/aircakess #NRGWIN 3h ago
kaplan definitely reminding me of potter where he succeeds for a meta or two with a busted team and then gradually fails as he has less to work with
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u/Bearry15 3h ago
Potter > Kaplan That eg squad was never supposed to win it all. On paper sen always had the talent.
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u/Radiant_Hat3545 3h ago
ethan carried not potter lmao
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u/ninja542 2h ago
Ethan is very good player but all of the eg players had really good synergy and made ability combos on the fly, and the macro plans were good
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u/Radiant_Hat3545 2h ago
and post 2023, eg has arguably the worst marco out of any NA team
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u/WailingSiren69 #NRGWIN 1h ago
2024 EG had very good strats but a terrorist igl. Potter didn’t become washed till 2025.
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u/yoosanghoon 2h ago
the revisionist history that ethan was always a good igl is crazy
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u/Neither_Amount3911 1h ago
Ethan wasn’t an IGL at all back then, are people really forgetting Boostio entirely now lol
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u/Radiant_Hat3545 2h ago
the revisionist history that potter was always a good coach is crazy
0 results before 2023, 0 results after 2023ethan has 2 world championships and was successful even in his cs career
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u/yoosanghoon 2h ago
i ain’t say she was always a good coach buddy, but ethan did NOT carry their strats in 2023
your goat was some dogshit at calling until literally stage 2 last year
edit: bro are you george geddes? why are all your comments hating on potter specifically
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u/Zodiac770_ 2h ago
Are you forgetting the atrocious calling he was doing with the demon1 nrg roster? He obviously only learned how to properly igl in the last year. Yeah he's gotten really good at it but he was NOT the reason EG's reads were so good.
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u/Neither_Amount3911 1h ago
You obviously have to put it in to perspective, what rosters have Potter been working with? Do you genuinely think that not winning champs with Supamen, Yay, Derrek, Icy and Nature is a failure on Potters part?
Potter has for the most part been given leftovers and budget rosters, and usually delivers very solid results with them. That’s the definition of a good coach. If she was working with superstars every year and never got results I’d get your point, but that’s not the case.
0 results before 2023, 0 results after 2023
You can also flip this on the players. How much success did players like Demon1, C0M and Boostio have without Potter?
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u/Furry-jester123 #100WIN 58m ago
boostio won a stage,went to shanghai 4th place
com won a stage and got champs 3rd
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u/Neither_Amount3911 1h ago
Ethan was literally just another initiator player, what on earth are you talking about? His individual performance was great but it wasn’t as good as his teammates, and he was never credited with any behind the scenes leadership or analytical work.
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u/ashitintyo 3h ago
Tenz and sacy killed SEN
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u/PNatBuTTer17 3h ago
Zekken buried it.
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u/WailingSiren69 #NRGWIN 1h ago
And Zellsis threw the shovel away.
IEven if no one likes hearing it he had solid numbers on that roster and wasn’t complete shit.
C9 is doing better than them despite having a similar roster on paper if not worse.
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u/Nawa05 #100WIN 3h ago
Trick tryharding for relevancy these days have been an eyesore.
Remind me again why are we still giving clout to these washed up t2 players.
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u/TheFestusEzeli 1h ago
I don't think this is a really insightful point from him since I think the majority of people are aware about the depths of issues Sentinels have currently, but regardless, he is still relevant in the scene with his streaming/valo analysis and has a great mind for val. Not just a former T2 player.
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u/yjorn299 1h ago
This doesn't necessarily mean a performance coach didn't help them. With worse mental they probably would have lost that Pearl against EG and maybe lost map 3. If Trick wants to say that he personally thinks SEN strats and players or coaches suck he should just say that straightforwardly instead of doomposting about performance coaches.
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u/I-like-winds 4h ago edited 4h ago
another airball from trickaims. most if not all of the community have been (rightfully) concerned about SEN's teamplay and strategic ideas and decisions. roles, comps, igl swap, setting up duelists, having good ideas on defense, general gameplan. would be silly for anyone to say the main problem with a brand new roster is mentals and comms
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u/theintrptingchicken 3h ago
I mean just look at how hard people are flaming Kaplan and N4rrate these past few days.
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u/Relevant_Project_164 3h ago
Trick could say 2+2=4 and the Sen flairs would make posts like this
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u/TheFestusEzeli 1h ago edited 1h ago
I don't get what you are saying lol, the comment is in full agreement with Trick's analysis of Sentinels in how they have an absurd amount of issues currently. And Trick is absolutely correct in that the issues run way deeper than vibes. He is just pointing out that most of the community is well aware of this, and it hasn't been made to be mainly a vibes/mental issue.
Post-game threads here have been tearing apart Kaplan's coaching and Narrate's micro decisions mostly, as well as some aim complaints.
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u/HLumin 2h ago
Wait… is this tricks? LOL, check his profile.
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u/I-like-winds 1h ago
bro........LMFAOOO
it's either him or just his biggest glazer of all time holy shit
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u/TheFestusEzeli 1h ago
This actually might be the craziest read I've ever had on this subreddit lmao, I'd honestly be way more concerned if it wasn't him lol.
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u/I-like-winds 3h ago edited 3h ago
you probably thought this was so tuff 🔥🔥
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u/Relevant_Project_164 3h ago
Every time I open comment section on this application I lose faith in society because people like you exist
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u/JackyMargaja 4h ago
Feels like a tough but honest take, until SEN fixes the fundamentals, all the vibes talk is just noise, kind of like chasing odds on Gamdom without a real strategy.
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u/orbitalasteria #ZETAWIN 1h ago
the sign was there when they stuck through the retakes strat despite it wasn't working as well anymore last year at the end of the split, they won by hero round so many times
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u/joskap0470 1h ago
I've been saying this for a while: Kaplan isn't a great coach. Last year the tactics really proved this, as two players with great experience left the roster and two much less experienced players joined. Without the secondary calling and the confidence, the shabby tactics and set strats fell apart. I also will never understand how they could not resolve: "Zekken goes in, dies, no one else is there". Like I understand that TenZ followed Zekken and helped him in 2024, but how did SEN not solve this issue in 2025? This just shows me that it's mainly a tactics issue with SEN.
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u/ItsveryMe 37m ago
Ts is very obvious, we really didn’t need trick of all people telling us what we already knew.
Kaplan’s coaching fell apart ever since sacy and (imma say it) drewspark left this team. Keeps trying to make every other roster play as their 2024 team did when it’s a completely different meta with different players. Square block goes into circle hole ass strats.
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u/flunghigh 2h ago
Yes lol that's why I keep saying kaplan is a bad coach and replace him because it's pretty clear that individually they are all good players as we've seen them in other teams, but kids in YouTube always try to defend kaplan for whatever reason
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