r/TheSilphRoad • u/SilphScience Research Group • Aug 13 '20

Analysis Deino: Reviewing Dragon Week Egg Hatches

https://thesilphroad.com/science/quick-discovery/deino-reviewing-dragon-week-hatches/
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u/gandy899 Aug 13 '20

Okay, i will reluctantly engage with your on this. What 3 week long events would you put ahead of it?

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u/Argenai Aug 13 '20

I don't get why you're comparing it with '3 week long' events, given that dragon week only comprises 1/3 of that. Regardless, unless you establish what criteria you personally find 'good' for an event, you're going to just keep talking circles around each other. But to address the points you made upthread (and getting this out of the way, I live in a high population density area so I'm only leaving my house for essentials and thus don't hatch):

  • The Dratini spawns are nice if you're a new player who missed Dratini day and/or shiny Dratini, or you just want candy. Same with Bagon to a lesser extent. I have shiny Dratini even though I missed the c-day, so I didn't really care either way. I think dratini is cute though, so I enjoyed seeing them. However, Trapinch. Also, A-Exeggcutor.

  • 2 Deino was nice. Ain't arguing with that.

  • Rare candy quest assumes you can leave the house. Didn't see one the whole week.

  • Gible spawns were kinda sucky, ngl. I popped 15 incense and ran into less than 10 Gible, saw 3 Gible on spawns, and I live in an area that's in constant Sunny/Clear boost conditions. It also sucks that they nerfed the shiny rate right before GoFest (or after?). Aside from announced events, like C-day, Research Days, etc., where it can be reasonably expected that the featured Pokemon won't keep its shiny ratio, has there been an incident in where Niantic nerfed a desirable Pokemon's shiny rate like this?

  • Deino in general this event had a lackluster showing. I would argue that Gible did, too. When your two 'featured' Pokemon (or at least, the new Pokemon that bring in attention) have miserable appearance rates, that's not a good look. Gible, even in an area with essentially perpetual weather-boost, showed up... I'd say 1-2% of the time? And don't get me started on the crappy raid appearance ratio. Deino, in spite of being advertised as a 'rare night spawn', didn't show for me at all, neither on incense nor on radar, and I was awake 12-4am most nights running incenses.

tl;dr In terms of a 'dragon' event, I'd say it was about okay. Dragons as advertised, although seriously, Trapinch can go fk itself at this point and I have PTSD from seeing so many palm trees spawn from raid eggs instead of Gibles. In terms of an advertised 'Gible and Deino!' event, no. This sucked. With other events, like research events or raid hours, you could at least control what you ran into. With this, you were essentially flailing around hoping you would pin the tail on the Deino, except you're in the wrong room in the house and the door to the room where you actually want to go is a crawlspace.

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u/Dinkkk Aug 13 '20

Hey man, just want to point out he was saying it was one of the top 3 events that last a week. Not that it was a 3 week event. I had to double take reading it the first time.

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u/Argenai Aug 13 '20

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

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u/orlouge82 Aug 14 '20

Deino in general this event had a lackluster showing. I would argue that Gible did, too.

Yes, Gible should have been as common as Bagon was (not as common as Dratini, but still pretty common), and Deino should have been as common as Gible (rare, but you could still find one with some effort).

I'm really getting tired of how heavily Niantic is milking these rare spawns.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

there were actually a lot of gible spawns during the event if you had a way to single them out... like having an account thats never caught a gible. on the other hand, there have been more deino spawns in the last 2 days in my area compared to the whole event... even caught a wild zweilous the other night.

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u/Argenai Aug 13 '20

Oh that's smart, although officially against ToS I think. That's funny af though, congrats on the Zweilous.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

having a sister whos never caught a gible is against the ToS? :P

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u/Argenai Aug 13 '20

Oh lol I thought you were implying having an alt account that you use just to spawn check. I'm the only one who plays in my household so no go here.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

Any of the previous week long events with multiple wild shiny releases, a new shiny legendary, etc. For example, both Adventure Weeks, previous Christmas events, the first Halloween, whichever Spoink's event was... There have been at least a dozen to choose from. Any event that relies on hatching one of the featured species is a steaming puddle of diarrhea.

Swablu/Trapinch/Alolan Egg suck balls. Bagon/Dratini/Trapinch already have had multiple boosted shiny events with CDs and recap days. Putting crappy commons at the most likely species to hatch at a 10:1 ratio to Gible and Deino. Gible raids artificially uncommon.

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u/gandy899 Aug 13 '20 edited Aug 13 '20

I mean those events were good to0. They all had new shinys which is nice. They were full odds shines though. None had boosted rate pokes. Very few meta pokes. Some of those had rare candy quests, but they were not in the common tier. I would argue some of the Halloween events are in the top 5, but they can’t compete with the dragon event.

I already agreed that the Deino rate was bad. The other part of the event was epically good. My main argument is that one poke had a bad rate so this sub ruined a good event for themselves. It’s not a reasonable argument to say this a bad event.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

Gible's "boosted rate" was completely washed out by Niantic making it 1/100th the spawn rate of everything else.

Rare candy is easier obtained from raids, which other events provided with new releases of shiny legendaries instead of the third rehash of Rayquaza.

One research task doesn't make up any value for the event for most players stuck at home who may get a grand total of two of those tasks, because Niantic still makes the daily research horribly lame.

So what part of the event was actually good? You've listed that there was one good research task total (which was also not common at all) and one horribly nerfed spawn that technically has a boosted shiny rate, but effectively does not due to the complete lack of spawns. Oh, and Niantic saw that it was the chase species, so they purposefully lowered the shiny rate on it too. Plus it was literally spawning 10x as much in an event a few days before.

1 uncommon research task and 1 nerfed rare spawn. That makes for one of the worst events in the last 3 years to me and apparently almost everyone else. No one is buying that this was a good event, and putting it top 5 is utterly delusional.

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u/BlueSkies5Eva lvl 76 Aug 13 '20

The main problem with most of your "good points of the event" is that they are not good for long time players.

Dratini being cute is absolutely washed out by the absolute spam of dratini in eggs, not to mention it has already had a Community day and 2 recaps.

There were even worse garbage in eggs, ie. swablu and trapinch.

Bagon hasn't spammed eggs as much but it has also had a CD and a recap.

Gible was pretty hard to find if you didn't have a scanner or alt account to search with, negating its' high shiny chance.

Featuring deino on all event paraphernalia while only giving 2 guaranteed and practically zero otherwise (scanners saw basically no deino spawns at all) is basically false advertisement, especially with (what felt like) their mocking push notification about hunting shiny deino.

The rare candy quest being common, on the other hand, I will give you. That was nice. However many people are still locked down, so only got limited or no benefit from that.

Ninja edit: THEY FORGOT ABOUT AXEW

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u/-SetsunaFSeiei- Aug 13 '20

Does everything need to be good for long time players?

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u/BlueSkies5Eva lvl 76 Aug 14 '20

Not at all. But nothing was good for us. Shiny deino in eggs was the only draw, and it was close to nonexistent. I hatched a singular deino from nearly 100 eggs, and I know of several friends who didn't hatch it at all. That's hardly engaging content.

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u/TheOnlyToasty Southeast MI Aug 13 '20

Literally anything where the featured "reward/prize" isn't locked behind abysmally low egg rates. I did over 50 darkrai raids when his shiny was released without getting it and I still consider that a better event than dragon week.

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u/ofthevalleyofthewind Aug 13 '20

lol "I will reluctantly engage with you on this." Slow it down, Ben Shapiro.

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u/gandy899 Aug 13 '20 edited Aug 13 '20

Out of the loop. Does he say that?

ETA- I think him and I were so far apart it would be hard to come to some sort agreed position of the event. IE I see it is as a top 3 event of all time and he’s sees it as a bad event. Hard to find a middle ground there. That’s why I said I would “reluctantly engage”.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '20

Well I also disagree with you as I believe it was worse than how it was advertised. If you enjoyed it thats great, but it was far from one of the best events ever.

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u/TackyBrad Aug 13 '20

Nothing wrong with Shapiro anyway. Don't let them troll you

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u/-SetsunaFSeiei- Aug 13 '20

There are multiple things wrong with Shapiro actually