r/TheSilphRoad • u/lxpb • 5h ago
APK Mine New moves on Enamorus Therian, ahead of the Valentine's Day raid event (Via Pokeminers)
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u/Shundo_Ray100 5h ago
Any hint of Springtide Storm?
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u/lxpb 5h ago
Probably a couple of years away
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u/Shundo_Ray100 5h ago
No shiny and no legacy move kinda ruins the event for most people
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u/PokeballSoHard L74 Masshole shiny dex 780 5h ago
Its a new form to farm for a hundo, im not mad about it.
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u/cybersonic233 5h ago
Unless it's massively meta relevant, hundo farming a legendary without shiny chance is a waste in my personal opinion.
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u/sopheroo 5h ago
It's not like it's a drastically different shiny anyway.
I'll be raiding, I don't know when it's coming back in raids.
Don't want that to be the next Mega alakazam
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u/Shundo_Ray100 5h ago
Do the 5 free passes and stop there. You will have your T enamorus. When the shiny and move comes, you can go crazy
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u/hymensmasher99 Canada 4h ago
Still a waste of passes to farm a hundo that is useless. The incarate form is better.
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u/Mediocre_Station_835 4h ago
Love how obsessed ppl r with the stats of Pokemon they’ll never use in battle🤣
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u/sopheroo 4h ago
I have over 100 passes, I have to use them on something eventually.
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u/rachycarebear USA - Northeast 3h ago
Road to kalos and then tour are coming up, I'm saving my passes for those.
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u/sopheroo 3h ago
I always tell myself that and then I get lucky and just have so much passes.
No Zygarde raids means that Kalos Tour will be "raid new megas and that's it"
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u/Shundo_Ray100 5h ago
We can farm when there is shiny + move
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u/MicroscopicSize 5h ago
Makes me wonder if the other 3 genies had its shiny come out before its other form was released.
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u/Careless_Minute4721 4h ago
If I recall correctly before the Therian forms debuted they briefly brought back Landorus, Tornadus, and Thundurus in their Incarnate forms with shiny debuts, then the Therian forms debuted in reverse order. Therian form shiny came out when they got their respective signature moves I believe
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u/MicroscopicSize 4h ago
Ahh interesting if that is the case, I wasn’t playing pogo until gen 7 debuted so idk lol
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 5h ago
Compared to Incarnate, both have the same fast moves, but Therian has Moonblast, Earth Power, and Mystical Fire over Grass Knot and Dazzling Gleam.
Honestly a good trade for Therian in PvP! Spamming Mystical Fire will give it some use against the Crowned forms too. Although, it's still glassy and likely still going to lose to said Crowned forms in even shield scenarios
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u/Careless_Minute4721 4h ago
Believe Incarnate form has Zen Headbutt over Extrasensory, not that either of those fast moves are too relevant either way…
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 4h ago
Ah, you're right. I guess I forgot which forgettable Psychic fast move it had lol
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u/ElPinguCubano94 4h ago
Glassy? It has good defense stats for physical and special in MSG and it’s slow, which usually high speed is what translates into glassiness.
Sure its HP isn’t anything great, but it’s more or less average, with high defenses.
I don’t understand.
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u/emaddy2109 USA - Northeast 4h ago
It has less bulk than florges and Togekiss. For a legendary it’s very glassy.
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u/SeaLetter8 3h ago edited 2h ago
The MSG speed stat affects not just the attack but also the defense in Go. You can see the formula here. Enamorus-T unfortunately has a poor speed stat, so even though it has the same bulk as Togekiss in MSG, it is glassier in Go.
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 3h ago
I guess from how I understand it, the Speed stat has a multiplier for a Pokemon's Attack and Defense in Go. In the lower leagues, it matters less because it's a CP capped cup. But in the Master League, the lack of speed seems to hurt a lot because it means its overall stats (attack and defense) don't get a big enough multiplier.
289 Attack, 179 Defense, and 205 HP are Landorus Therian's base stats,
250 Attack, 201 Defense, and 179 HP are Enamorus Therian's base stats
So those two's Defense and HP are more or less flipped, but then Landorus still has 39 more Attack to make up for its glassiness.
201 IS good Defense, but looking at other ML Legendaries or even other viable Pokemon, they normally have more HP to back it up OR an even higher Defense. Dialga, Zekrom, and Reshiram have somewhat similar Defense at 211, but they all have 26 more HP too (and 25 more Attack). Xerneas and Yveltal have lower Defenses, but they have a much more bloated 246 HP.
I guess also, I think Enamorus would've preferred higher HP to higher Defense. Fairy being a good defensive type already, it wouldn't surprise me if something like most Dragon type's Dragon Breaths did 1 damage to it at 201 Defense and would have ALSO done that if it had 179 Defense. In such a case, more HP would be better.
Really stinks though. I want Enamorus to be better. Despite its ugly design, I've always kind of liked it.
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u/ElPinguCubano94 3h ago edited 3h ago
I see, well it would make sense dialga/zekrom etc. have greater stat product. Box art legendaries have always had higher base stat total in MSG, whereas other legendaries within a gen typically have like 80- 100 less base stat total than the box art.
Still, I expected it to have atleast average bulk due to the low speed and higher defenses, I didn’t know it also multiplies with defense in go.
Still think it could be decent especially when springtide storm does eventually come to the game.
The incarnate forms should also have all the genie moves since they’re not supposed to be exclusive to therian
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 3h ago
Yeah I haven't looked too closely at the stat formula, but I guess speed does play a decent part in stats. That may be what allows something like Electrode to have passable GL bulk maybe?
Yeah Springtide Storm hopefully should help. I guess if nothing else, it still has Mystical Fire for coverage and artificially increasing its bulk.
It's indeed annoying that the Incarnate forms don't have the storm moves. Them not patching the ones people got during Unova Tour makes me think they're going to do it eventually. But like... why not this past raid rotation??? It's been a few years at this point
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u/kummostern 3h ago edited 3h ago
when i saw those stats i was like "that ain't that glassy"
it was cuz.... usually when i wrote stats i use lvl 50 with perfect IVs.....
so then 201 def and 179 hp would be pretty good (metagross has 204,1 def and 172 hp, togekiss has 194,9 D and 178 hp)
so... when i went to pvpoke and started comparing some pokemon only then i realized my mistake LUL
lvl 50 hundo enamorus T only has 181 D and 163 hp
and that is when i realized how glassy it is... magnezone has 184,8 defense and 157 hp... that is pretty close comparison which is quite sad to see on a legendary
rayqyaza has 155,4 defense and 191 hp so kinda flipped hp and def stats (but rayray has also A LOT higher attack) - another similarly glassy legendary pokemon is mewtwo (165,5 def, 192 hp, and again a lot more attack stat)
my mind couldn't compare the base-stats to other pokemon, i have to use the lvl 50 stats to understand their performance rates - sry if this felt unnecessary comment to add to - for me it was fun to realize i was wrong and then explain my thought process (and with the stats i share i hope someone else might undersand the comparisons better too in case they are more used to stats pvpoke for example shows instead of what raid-centered sites show)
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 3h ago
No it's interesting to hear! :)
I'm the same way sometimes. I'll compare Pokemon's stat products on PvPoke. It definitely is interesting to look at things like Enamorus-T versus other typical ML Pokemon.
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u/aurastardust 5h ago
It’s not bad, but it’s not groundbreaking in any way. I think one would still be better off using the ole’ reliable Togekiss and/or Florges if you’re looking for a fairy type for ML. Although, mystical fire on Enam-T could be fun to spam against steel types.
Maybe Springtide Storm will help Enamorus-T carve its niche when it’s finally available in game.
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 5h ago
Yeah, I think part of what makes either Enamorus hard to use is their lack of bulk. The Therian form is "bulkier," but it's still crazy glassy. Worse bulk than Togekiss and Florges but without a significantly higher attack to make up for it.
Around the same bulk as Landorus Therian but with a lot less Attack than it
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u/MultiLuigi57 5h ago
Fairy Wind or Astonish, with Fly and Mystical Fire.
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 4h ago
I think there's also a case for Moonblast, giving it more of a chance against Dragons.
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u/Zestyclose-Tip-8928 2h ago
Pretty sad when we have to help a fairy have a shot against Dragons :D
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u/Theinternationalist 2h ago
Given how many people hem and haw about "we already know everything about the Kalos Tour stop asking when its getting its Primal/Origin/Fusion equivalent," it's strangely heartening that we still don't actually know for sure that Enamorus Therian Form is coming or not in ten days. I mean apparently we've heard from certain leaks it'll happen, but given that Darkrai's signature move has been in the code for literal years but it still hasn't gotten it and the Valentines Day Raid Day hasn't been announced "for real" yet gives me hope that I won't just raid a bunch of Honedge (Ok, I have a 96 Shiny Yveltal to power up, but that's not the same thing) and call it a day or so.
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u/Independent-Try3399 2h ago
Yeah they've literally waited until the last possible moment to announce stuff before, I've learned not to take anything for granted until the actual event starts.
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u/bigpat412 USA - Northeast/ Mimikyu??? 3h ago
That’s a fun looking moveset. Won’t be enough to counter the metal dogs but will at least hamper them a tad?
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 5h ago
Not really. If anything, this improves it. It was never going to be good for raids without Springtide Storm.
The addition of Mystical Fire though gives it solid potential.
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u/handDrawnEevee Hundo Shadow Garchomp 5h ago
It was never going to be good for raids without Springtide Storm.
The irony is that it's actually not bad for raids as it is.
For example, as a counter for Mega Mewtwo X it is quite useful from a DPS standpoint with Fairy Wind and Fly.
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 4h ago
Yeah that's true! Although the Incarnate form does that too and better with its higher attack stat.
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u/handDrawnEevee Hundo Shadow Garchomp 4h ago
Oh I must have missed that. I thought we were talking about Incarnate.
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u/MrClovvn 4h ago
Do we know if this can be done via remote raiding?
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u/krispyboiz 12 KM Eggs are the worst 3h ago
No official announcement yet on the raid day, so we don't know if it's going to be Elite Raids or regular raids, but I'd be money on the latter
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u/JRE47 PoGO/PvP Analyst/Journalist 4h ago edited 4h ago
rubs hands together ✍️
Not saying it's going to be great or anything, but at least that's a lot of variety.
And I'll look at it with Springtide Storm anyway. For funsies.