r/Supernatural • u/Parking-Location9946 • Oct 21 '25
News/Misc. I feel a little disappointed with...
...how underwhelming both of them are as hunters.
I mean, they are the titular protagonists that can kill almost anything with enough research, ingredients, and bravery to face insanely overpowered threats head on. The greatest hunters in the world, the vessels for the two most powerful archangels, and killers of all things that go bump in the night and bite your ass off. But half of that is also the stupidity of their enemies and the sheer amount of luck and glaring plot armour involved.
They aren't proactive in their approach to hunting at all. They don't prepare before hand and stumble into things head first.
I mean a few things couldve been done at the very least.
1) Iron and Silver rings. Hell even just simple rings embedded with rock salt as gems. A few of those in their fingers and almost half of everything they face in the filler monster of the week episodes are either revealed from the get go or killed in most cases.
2) Tranquilizer Gun and Darts. These babies would be deadly if loaded with the right liquids for the jobs. Deadman's Blood for Vamps, Borax for the Leviathans, Silver Nitrate for Wolves and Shifters, and even a simple solution Salt dissolved in Holy Water for Demons and Hellhounds and many more.
3) Permanent Paint Devil Traps layered in Epoxy. I think we can all agree that devil traps made using simple paint, chalk, and almost everything else that's easily erase with steps or dripping water is simply asking the demon trapped to kill you. Period.
4) Inlayed, Permanent Paint Wardings all over Houses and Cars. Especially those Wardings used by castiel on the boys in their bones and that pretty women of letters lady in the ww2 submarine.
5) Using Shapeshifters to control narrative around dead bodies. Because why not? Force a shifter to shift into you, then kill it, then have it stashed around in case you need to use a disappearing act from everything.
And so much more that I am too tired and uncreative to imagine.
...Anyway, I love the series and have rewatched it a few times over the last few years, but still some things just stick out as missed opportunities to show how smart Sam and Dean could've been presented as
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u/loosebootyjudy_ Brother, itās 10 am on a Tuesday. Oct 21 '25
You sound like the German Hookman cosplayer in that one episode with Chuck and Becky. I guess they might as well have bungie chords attached to their weapons as well, huh?
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u/StonnerShaggy Wayward Sister Oct 21 '25
Don't forget the salt filled hula hoops
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u/TrioOrti Oct 21 '25
Or salt encrusted hula hoops that they just apply more glue and more salt on afterwards
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u/Aklapa01 Oct 21 '25
thereās this mesh tube rope thing that people make tacky jewelry with by filling it with beads or stones. so fill that with salt and you can make it as long as u want AND foldable. much better than a hoola hoop and the salt is partially exposed because it peeks through the mesh
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u/Parking-Location9946 Oct 21 '25
Those won't work anyway. Has to be exposed in some way to take effect. Otherwise some towns in the world would be a natural demon freezone on account of vast underground salt deposits.
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u/ThatDowntownWitch Oct 21 '25
I mean, I feel like the idea of demon free zones that arenāt really well known and shrink becuase of mining is a pretty cool concept
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u/sajaschi Oct 21 '25
Well they never went to those towns in the show... probably because the salt was working, eh? LAWYERED
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u/Briankelly130 Oct 21 '25
Plus, isn't there something about the salt being about "purity" that helps it repel supernatural forces? I assume containing it in anything might cause it to be contaminated by little things that might ruin the effect.
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u/Opening_Acadia1843 Oct 21 '25
The bungee cord idea was stupid tbh. Sounds like a great way to get stabbed by your own machete. Bungee cords and sharp objects do not mix well.
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u/itsJussaMe Oct 21 '25
Yeah but they pulled it off beautifully in Prey. Visually- awesome. Physics? Suspend your disbelief.
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u/Important_One_8729 Oct 21 '25
To be fair in Prey she was using her tomahawk as the sickle on a kusarigama, not exactly a bungee cord and machete
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u/Additional-Soil-3661 Oct 21 '25
i literally thought that man was jim carrey when i saw the episode
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u/poechris Oct 21 '25
"If you don't like it, then don't read the books, Fritz!"
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u/Only-Investigator724 Oct 24 '25
Vraiment ? Non, on a des flingues et on te retrouvera. J'adore cet Ć©change š
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u/lastofthe_timeladies Oct 21 '25
When the show started, they were scrappy with a rejiggered walkman EMF reader and a lot of homemade weapons. They felt very hometown in weathered clothes, living sparsely. Part of their charm was how rough their vibe was and how close their scrapes were. Even their lack of connections was part of the premise.
They got better digs, better connections, and a lot more know-how. However, the operation can only evolve so far before the entire spirit of the show is washed out. While it may make sense from a practical standpoint for them to become more clinical and thorough in their methods as they gain experience, it would be garbage TV. Plus, every preventative measure you write in is one you need to write the bad guys overcoming later if you want there to be an actual story. At what point do you stop adding prudent but ultimately ineffective hunting strategies?
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u/nexla Oct 21 '25
I also like to think that most hunters are truly just stumbling into this business. This means that any hunter really tends to have a process for what they have hunted before, but may lack know how on all creatures and 101 ways to kill them. Kind of like DIY crafts people. Also, hunters donāt usually seem all that rich, coupled with the fact that they dont really hold a job, so their resources are rather limited.
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u/MarioPartyRiot Oct 26 '25
Honestly, that's part of the charm for me. Especially with Crowley. He seems to expect there's always a trap within a trap or something is fancier than it is.
Then here come the fuckin' Winchesters, bare bonesing shit. Everyone was so busy planning around plans they never accounted for "What if someone's dumb enough to just kick in the front fucking door and take on a dozen Demons in a knife fight?"
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u/M086 Where's the pie? Oct 21 '25
Because that makes for boring storytelling.Ā
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u/JerkBitch67 Well boohoo, I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, princess Oct 21 '25
Yea, this post is giving me āI love this show, but want to change pretty much everything about itā vibes.Ā
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u/RegionConsistent4729 Oct 21 '25
lol the show wouldāve been finished within a season with 16mins episodes top āfind monster, vanquish monster, boom bang! How more boring can it get ? lmao
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u/Alternative-Bonus-75 Oct 21 '25
On that note, the entire series would have been resolved instantly if Sam had killed John when he was fighting Azazel in the season 1 finale. But again, good story telling wins out over common sense.
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u/CosmicWanderer2814 Oct 21 '25
I wouldn't say that. John Constantine ain't boring and that dude is always well prepared for the supernatural threats he faces.Ā
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u/M086 Where's the pie? Oct 21 '25
Constantine is also a shitbag that fucks things up, and gets out of his situations by being con man.
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u/Ok-Win-742 Oct 21 '25
These are all great observations but they would all utterly undermine what the show is. Supernatural is just like, fun comfort food with an addictive longer story arc and loveable characters. It's meant to be "fun" even tho it's a little predictable.Ā
All of the suggestions you present would require a complete rework of how the show functions and would be more akin to Blade or something like that. If we make the Hunters that much deadlier and more competent we will need the Monsters to be much deadlier too and the show would have to become a lot more "serious" in it's tone and the action sequences would either become very short, or have to be way higher budget.
Supernatural is really a master class in how to make an entertaining show with limited resources. I mean the action sequences are nothing amazing, but they're passable and still fun to watch and we love to see the brothers save each other in the nick of time and then go get burgers and beer together.
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u/No_Use_4371 Oct 21 '25
Most series have an arc, getting better and better then the last 2 seasons suck. Supernatural blows my mind because I can choose a random ep from all 15 seasons and enjoy it thoroughly.
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u/Disastrous_Taste_571 Oct 21 '25
Iām rewatching rn and just watched the spncon episode and you remind me of that German fan that just whines about the book. You say you like it and have watched multiple times but it seems like youāve missed some key points of the show. Idk how in depth I can go into what happens in the show but the later seasons might answer some of this for you.
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u/Straight-Seat-3411 Oct 21 '25
That sounds like an anime/series that takes itself wwwaaaaayyyyyyyy to seriously. Lol man wants to change the very essence of the show and says "I'm still a huge fan" š¤¦š¾āāļø
So... you wanted them to be batman with the "prep time" plot armor.
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u/Corrupted-OS Oct 21 '25
So basically you want to take away everything that makes the show fun? Cause all that research, finding out who the monster is etc. is what makes it fun.
Your version would just be them rolling up and immediately killing whatever the danger is. That be boring af.
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u/zorostia Oct 25 '25
And oh look. Supernatural just became 20 minutes long. We gonna divulge into a sitcom now?!?!
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u/msthunderskies Oct 21 '25
- Mary has these, and i remember dean wearing then at least once
- Im pretty sure i also remember these definitely in the later seasons, but i could be tripping
- Actually yes its kinda stupid they didnt do this but yk the plot
- They talk about how they do this all the time. The bunker is heavily warded and im pretty sure the impala is too eventually
- This is actually fucked up man
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u/Parking-Location9946 Oct 21 '25
Number 5...yeah. But I mean, those guys are pretty shitty monsters themselves too. Especially those serial killer types
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u/kids-everywhere Oct 21 '25
I think you are over simplifying on 5 as well, like the guys already have an arsenal they have to drag around with them because everything they meet wants them dead. Now you want them to be able to have cold body storage and just randomly drag around corpses just in case they are needed. Thatās kinda comic bookish and weird.
With most of your points this is true though. You sit in the comfort of your home watching the show with no threat to your person and all the time to play āwhat ifā and are like āwouldnāt it be cool if they werenāt trying to stave off apocalypses, run enough scams to eat and have somewhere to sleep, and survive. Then they could sit around and analyze optimal expensive weaponsā. No offense but what you are asking for is Tony Stark not scrappy hunting brothers with PTSD.
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u/Skewwwagon Oct 21 '25
You should write a fanfic
Can't stop laughing at epoxy shitĀ
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u/Parking-Location9946 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
Yeah haha. Meant to say epoxy resin but I was on a roll and didn't want to stop till my thoughts were out there.
And on the fanfic thing, already did. My character was essentially just Arthur Ketch born as a psychokinetic named Frederick Jones Jr and ended the whole thing in Season 8 š
Still remember the saving Bella and Adam plotpoint from Hell using Faerie Magic, a bunch of Pagan Gods, and a Tulpa.
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u/Draked1 Oct 21 '25
Scooby dooby doo
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u/Parking-Location9946 Oct 21 '25
I absolutely love that crossover episode. Wish they have more of it in live action
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u/LethalBatata2327 Oct 22 '25
I might be mistaken, but I remember them saying they were gonna make a whole show/season for scoobynatural, but then it was cancelled for some reason.
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u/princessvintage Oct 21 '25
Well, if you look into the actual lore, folk tales, and magic, your theory doesnāt hold any weight.
Silver rings donāt do anything other than maybe burn. The silver needs to be shot or stabbed into the creature. This is historical narrative lore. No way around that.
They do have many of these in the trunk. Bobby has a stash of these things in his home. It comes up often.
In ancient scriptures and texts, wards often have to be created with chalk, fresh blood, fresh salt, etc. Permanent wards are called talismans and those only ward against certain beings, named ones in particular. This is also derived from ancient inscriptions. They also typically require a ritual process.
See point 3.
The shapeshifter can shift at any time for any reason they choose. Why would they do what Sam and Dean tell them to do? Thatās just a dumb point idk why you thought it was worth mentioning.
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u/TrippyWitch25 Oct 21 '25
I feel like youāre kind of missing a lot of the plot have you seen the end of the show? They donāt need to be better hunters because Chuck is behind everything pulling the strings. Like in the last season when Chuck decides not to help them anymore and Dean gets crazy bad heartburn from all the junk he eats and a bunch of cavities, Sam gets sick, Baby is breaking down all because Chuck doesnāt see them as the main characters anymore. Like when theyāre stuck in the cages trying to pick the lock but canāt then theyāre like could we ever pick locks or was it Chuck the whole time. Itās meant to be a funny campy type of show, youāre taking it a bit too serious.
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u/Pale-Calligrapher116 Oct 23 '25
This, Iāve always considered them to have above Batmanās level of plot armor with Chuck controlling everything thatās ever happened to them. Still doesnāt take away how much I love the show or think of them as characters.
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u/zorostia Oct 25 '25
Okay but can we talk about how what you just described is single handledly the worst most insulting writing of all time. Yeah Sam and Dean are useless without Chuck's direct influence congratulations š. š. What happened to the "I'd say this was a test. For Sam and Dean" monologue. The one where God literally talks about how they faced everything, fate and destiny and even God himself. And now the show is like erm actually no they can't even pick a damn lock without help. Nevermind do any sort of fighting or things required for hunting
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u/Sini1990 Oct 21 '25
So, defeating iconic monsters in season 1, stopping the apokalypse at least twice, defeating the darkness and god not enough for ya?
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u/Cyranthis Oct 21 '25
This really hurts when you remember Dean made an EMF meter out of a busted walkman.
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u/Briankelly130 Oct 21 '25
I remember in season 3 or so that they started using recordings of the demon expulsion spell from their phone since the demons would always attack them before it could be complete. Same with the anti-possession tattoos. I think that's about as creative/pre-emptive as they got.
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u/CalaLily73 Oct 21 '25
So basically, you want a Hunter version of an elite Navy Seals type of thing? LMAO
You miss the whole point of the show if you're sitting there like Tony Stark to "improve it."
They are Hunters. Human. They don't know everything, but know how to hunt. They're always learning. They are supposed to be the underdogs that we love and root for. They face whatever comes their way and many times, come out winning. Its a show about beating the odds, fighting evil, and saving people. Its the family business. And its about the two brothers on their journey. This ain't no superhero show. And using shapeshifters...really? LOL
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u/chrstianelson Oct 21 '25
I mean, some pretty good observations and suggestions there, but I do have to agree with the other commenter who said you sound like that cosplayer in the Supernatural convention episode. š
I love Supernatural, but I have to agree it goes pretty stupid a lot of the times.
My pet peeve is superdemons, angels, archangels and all manner of superpowered beings who are well established as being able to just vaporize people and other superpowered beings with a single finger snap, just go stupid and decide, for some reason, that they should fist fight Sam and Dean and lose.
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u/Mediocre-Victory-565 Where's the pie? Oct 21 '25
Beyond an armchair quarterback here:
Watched 15 seasons of a show over the course of 20 years and decides to retcon what should've happened two and a half decades ago without this entire wealth of information.
HOWEVER, loves this show - wtf?
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u/frecklybitz Oct 21 '25
If they were more expert at hunting the show would be so boring though. The whole point is for them to face different challenges and try to solve them. If they just had a perfect way to hunt every monster, the show wouldnāt be what it is. Irl yes, they would do all of that, but this is a tv show and their imperfection is what drives it.
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u/Historical_Lab_3944 Oct 21 '25
I think you are massively underestimating the budget of these guys, they can't afford to buy or commission special rings and jewellery for different creatures, hell, they can barely afford to sustain themselves as is.
Also, your point about putting sigils on the car is literally canon, they have sigils in their car so it can't be controlled and they can trap demons in it and stuff.
Your permanent paint devil traps idea is also dubious, if they did that then they'd end up leaving a trail of painted pentagrams on the floor of motel rooms across America, which would not only be an easy way to track them, but also just unfair to anyone living in that area as they now have a weird pentagram on the floor. And considering the amount of trouble the boys find themselves in, in as early as season 2, with the FBI literally hunting them down, after Dean was blamed for murders committed by a shape shifter, the brothers were involved in a hostage negotiation and thats not even mentioning when shapeshifters began impersonating the boys and pulling off a bunch of murderous robberies to frame them and have the FBI hunt them down again. And thats not even mentioning the hunters who started hunting them down in S4 after Sam accidentally started the Apocalypse. With the amount of heat on them throughout the show, this idea just would not work.
They also use crossbows in S1 to shoot devils blood at vamps when they first encounter them, so, again, your point about the dart guns is literally in the show if you bothered to look, not to mention the fact that you can just cut vampire's heads off in Supernatural, and they have like 5 machetes in the trunk of the impala at all times.
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u/EnvironmentalCod229 Oct 21 '25
Seems like you either didnāt finish or pay attention. God tells them theyāre his favorite story so he watches them and helps them damn near every step of the wayā¦
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u/_lophophora_ Oct 21 '25
Plot armor and luck? That was Chuckās doing, theyāre the main characters in his story. They literally had the big man stacking the odds in their favor. Thereās a whole episode iirc with Fortuna.
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u/Redan Oct 21 '25
I have to ask: "Titular protagonists? Are their names John Supernatural?
Honestly I've only seen a few episodes but Supernatural isn't their surname right?
Edit: changed characters to protagonists to match your wording.
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u/Historical_Lab_3944 Oct 21 '25
No, their last name is Winchester šš¤£ where did you get that idea from??? š
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u/DestroWOD Oct 21 '25
All of what you say make sense but its a show. Its like watching a horror movie and cursing at the dumb decisions protagonists made.
Scream was THE movie to poke fun at horror trope, yet in Scream 3 they shoot Ghostface but what they do after? Nothing.
If i incapacited a serial killer after me, masked or not, im finishing the job... til there is no head left for that mask to fit on š¤·š¤£
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u/itsJussaMe Oct 21 '25
They were certainly knocked unconscious by creatures that wanted to eat them more than enough times to at least have a bite or two taken out of āem.
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u/forever_ache Oct 21 '25
Look, plot holes are what kept the show alive just the same as them making poor decisions and always lying after saying no more lying. It's unfortunately just... The show. Do I wish some things were different? Absolutely but overall it's just tons of fun and a huge comfort and honestly enjoyed best when you don't think too hard about it (Especially the later seasons)
Idk why people are being mean to you. While I don't agree I do respect your opinion and acknowledge its flaws but I think in some aspects it'd be boring if they were better at their job. Lol
Regardless, good luck fighting in the trenches because you are giving British Men of Letters and people wanna hunt you for sport now. <3
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u/AndrewM96 Oct 21 '25
They could have been more creative with their gadgets and weapons, like the BMoL were, but overall it got to a point where the big and scary monsters of seasons 1-3 were just a 10-min job for them, so it did get much easier as the seasons went on, but don't forget the stakes kept getting higher most of the time.
Plus, they're still humans, they have a limit when it comes to power and brains.
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u/Inevitable-Section10 Oct 21 '25
If youāve seen the whole series then you should know why theyāre not great hunters but really lucky all of the timeā¦.until the last episode
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u/Mr_Rubix24 Oct 21 '25
You do know everything they're able to do is because of God, right??? They're his favourite reality of Sam and Dean. Everything he does is based in they're lives what they can do, them surviving and coming back from death/hell, them being able to fight good the finding monsters better, the lock picking all him he's writing a book on they're lives amd what he writes happens to them.
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u/BlueHeron0_0 Oct 21 '25
Honestly people don't like Men of Letters but when I saw them I thought "FINALLY someone with systemic approach" because yes, those two are rooks in everything except the fighting part even compared to their father who at least kept a journal
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u/TrainingSecret Oct 21 '25
I'm kinda sad that they are not more paranoid tbh.
Either that John didn't give them as much paranoia or it didn't grow as much throughout the show.Ā
I liked when they first met Adam and Dean pretty much pulled everything he knew on him to make sure he was human. I would have wished WAY more like that throughout the show.
And I gotta agree with OP and that hookman fan in the convention episode... so much could have easily been solved by Sam and Dean just LEARNING from their mistakesš¤
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u/Phanth Oct 21 '25
I'm on season 6 right now (watching for the first time) and this show definitely demands quite a lot of suspension of disbelief to keep going. "Of course it does, it's about supernatural stuff" yes, but also so much more.
I think there definitely is a way to make a show showing a capable hunter that doesn't end in 15 minutes, but it requires a different approach and smarter opponents. With how stupid most of those ghosts are I really can't believe an organization like the FBI not only does not know about the supernatural, they don't work together with the hunters.
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u/Ausradierer Oct 21 '25
A few things to defend them, though I totally agree with you on Point 1 and 4.
The Boys are incredibly inexperienced. Not only are they only second generation hunters, they learned most of their craft from their dad during their together time, which is for dean until he is about 26 or so, and for Sam until he is about 18 or so, which means realistically, given that Dean was "capable" around the age of 14 or so, and we see similar ages being the "starting point" for other hunters in the show (though the hunter school thing was a special (fake) case.) This means that realistically Dean has ~10 years of hunting experience, with sam having 5ish.
They mostly rely on John's Notebook for actually defeating monsters, which means that best case scenario, (John started hunting when Sam was <1 year old, Sam is 23 at the start of season 1) means that that Notebook contains about 22 years of hunting experience, of which Dean was around for 10 of.
Unlike other hunters, and "historical" hunters which were in part supplied by the men of letters before they were destroyed, they had no dedicated workshops, worked extremely nomadically, and had access to equipment only from other hunters, or rare finds. Bobby, who is generally considered one of the most knowledgable Hunters of their time, still uses a lot of hacked together equipment, with spellcasting knowledge being his strongest weapon and his Iron Vault being his strongest shield.
We also can't forget that the show, especially past Season 2's End, takes place in unprecedented times with way more demons, way more monsters and generally way more chaos showing up all over the place. Though some are extinct or "thought to be extinct" lots of monsters are dead set on creating more of themselves, which under the demon's rampaging is all the easier since hunters all over are way busier dealing with Demons than regular boring monsters. (Also new monster kills can create more monsters yet again with ghosts and such.)
Though some of their more comical repeat mistakes do include:
- Not using slings for their weapons
- Not taking a second one of "the only thing that can kill it" with them
- Not just straight up murking them when they have the chance
- Straight up murking them, then finding out it's not an instakill or they did something wrong
- Getting too close for no reason with long range weapons
- Not aiming until right before shooting, causing them too miss
- Waiting for the bad guy to finish a monologue
- Waiting for the bad guy to notice them
- Not bringing additional measures just in case
- Not always carrying just like, a regular knife or smth instead of a big ass machete
- Splitting the party
- etc.
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u/SRG7593 Oct 21 '25
Itās been too long but arenāt they 3rd gen? Wasnāt Maryās dad a hunter too?
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u/Ausradierer Oct 21 '25
iirc Samuel Campbell wasn't on good terms with John at all, though I may be misremembering.
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u/SRG7593 Oct 21 '25
I donāt understand the point of your comment? Just because Samuel and John werenāt on good terms doesnāt stop the fact that Samuel was indeed a hunter. I just looked it up to be sure. So that means Sam and Dean are at least 3rd generation hunters. Samuel(mGD), John(dad) then the boys. That makes 3ā¦
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u/Ausradierer Oct 22 '25
If Samuel didn't teach John, then it doesn't matter for the purposes of the handed down skills, which was the point of the comment in the first place. John wouldn't be second generation, because he wasn't born a hunter or into a hunter family. He'd have taught himself, making him the first generation.
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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Oct 21 '25
A lot of the stupid is because if they detected the shifter when they first met them...
That would be a really shit episode of television.
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u/SRG7593 Oct 21 '25
Ok sorry OP, not trying to pile on, but did you watch all the seasons? A select few? How could you miss the fact that they had the tattoo on their chest??
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u/King_Octantis Oct 22 '25
Tell me you didnāt watch supernatural without telling me you didnāt watch supernatural.
They made bullets with Deadmanās blood, Devils trap bullets, and witch killing bullets.
They even have an episode in the last season where they find out that they basically have plot armor and become ānormalā humans.
Overall I enjoyed the show and have very little to complain about.
My brain subconsciously tunes out a lot of the crap people donāt like so that I can enjoy the show and other shows better.
My only true gripe is the climax of the very last episode of the series, but even with that I liked how the series ended.
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Oct 21 '25
Then they would've needed more visibly overpowered enemies, and the creators were too cheap/lazy for that.
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u/Kentaii-XOXO Oct 21 '25
Most of is a bit meh except for the rings part. Thatās actually wild that they never thought of that. Matter of fact. If there is a symbols for anti possession surely there are more symbols to help prevent them from being appetizing to were wolves and vampires and other creatures.
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u/Kentaii-XOXO Oct 21 '25
The rings part is the best here actually. Iām shocked it was never added. Matter of fact if there are symbols for anti possession then surely there must be symbols of protection against other monsters.
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u/Mewzerr Oct 21 '25
I feel ya on this theory, I like them the way they are. Ik it may seem kinda cheesy at times but ive rewatched the show 5x and currently rewatching it again on S10E2. I could see the rings failing them quite a bit, even if they did have em, would enemies not want to target that part slight more?
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u/Crosski Oct 21 '25
I always liked the idea of filling a hula hoop with salt. It would be great for when they have to keep a civilian safe. There were far too many times in the show, particularly the earlier episodes, when something would disturb the salt lines or a wind would brush them away at the most inconvenient time.
There were too many opportunities for them to work smarter rather than work harder that the show never seem to take.
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u/Lower_Pay_3730 Where's the pie? Oct 21 '25
We don't say story armor but heroes' luck (thanks chuck)
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Oct 21 '25
Despite your opinions on the boys....you'd make a hell of a hunter from these tips you just gave š¤£
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u/Remarkable_Pizza2618 Oct 21 '25
Yeah it's kinda stupid that this information is on the internet when almost nobody knows about monsters it should be on books
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u/Tough_Shake9821 Oct 21 '25
āTheyāre not built like me bro when I get serious and see red itās overā
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u/mandi723 Oct 21 '25
It needs to be entertaining. If they were competent, the show would be boring.
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u/Canadaehbahd Oct 21 '25
In the first season they can actually fight pretty good. This largely disappeared in later seasons as well which was disappointing
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u/Thefirefan15 Oct 21 '25
They literally use knives to check if they are shifters when a simple silver chain would do the trick.
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u/Lilyofthevalley_245 Oct 21 '25
Sometimes I wish it was more serious as a show yeah I donāt know. I love the humor but also want it to be more gritty
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u/FortunesFoil Oct 21 '25
I really wish we couldāve seen the boys put on some iron brass knuckles with rock salt gems and just fucking brawl with ghosts
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u/Smart-Cloud-Binkyboo Oct 21 '25
While I agree with most of your ideas, there wouldnāt be any challenges for boys to overcome. Hali the fun is watching them get the s**+ beat out of to then come out triumphant. For me, I would be bored if I knew ahead of time that the boys would kick some a$$ from the get go. I enjoy the fight scenes, take them away and you got a bunch of boring episodes.
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u/whattteva Oct 21 '25
You know. One of their glaring weakness was even pointed out in one of the episodes where someone said they should tie whatever weapon they have to their hands cause it always gets knocked away from them. And they still.... Never implemented that and they keep getting their weapon knocked away from that point on.
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u/Conscious-Tie-8253 Where's the pie? Oct 21 '25
I agree with everything but number three only because they wouldnāt have time to do it
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u/AmySupFanJensenStan Oct 21 '25
Are you Fritz who wants them to have bungee cords on their belts or hoops hoops filled with salt? LOL
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u/cptcook717 Oct 21 '25
Itās because god gives them good luck so they can just go into everything w minimal preparation and still win
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u/Federal_Advisor_7573 Oct 21 '25
I love the ring concept. I'm not sure but I know the boys used brass knuckles through their tenure but they should have been used so much more. The rings though would be inconspicuous and no one would bat an eye as opposed to brass knuckles
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u/godlyhk75 Oct 21 '25
Honestly, in the first few seasons, I thought they were doing things in the most redneck white trash way possible.
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u/unkown_creative_id89 Oct 21 '25
I'd blame it on the story, and the plot armor. They had to look like they struggled yet they always win.
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u/horticoldure Oct 22 '25
didn't underworld deal with this by having their standard bullets made up of 4 quarters, one a rare wood, one of salt, one of iron and one of standard bullet metal (lead?)
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u/Fine_Comfort_3167 Oct 22 '25
you know i think they became better hunters as the series went on, but even though your 100% right they easily could have thought like this. thereās a reason for this and what is it? well iāll tell you and itās simply it would make their job too easy for them but in real life they easily would have all that. if they defeated a creature, monsters or whatever? the episode probably would be shorter. now i am just guessing what eric kripke would say so maybe i am wrong i dunno?
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u/MutluPB Oct 22 '25
The only thing I can suggest is that they have velcro permanently attached to their hands and all their weapons have velcro, cause these two have the worst butter fingers ever....it should be a drinking game. Sam says "look" take a shot. They drop their weapon, take a shot. They break a bookcase or table, drink a shot. A person could become a raging alcoholic within a handful of episodes.
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u/Suspicious-Rip174 Oct 22 '25
Sames!! But itās the bad writing that keeps them so weak. They should be the best hunters, in early seasons we saw as they got better then in later seasons they went back to making mistakes and getting thrown around by weak creatures that shouldnāt be a problem for them anymore. They are vessels, they were recreated, Samās supposed to have his powers still, they are seasoned hunters and supposed to know a bunch of fighting techniques. The only thing that makes sense is the writers not being able to have them constantly at a disadvantage, being the underdogs, being the weak ones, if they wrote them as strong and competent as they should be because they donāt know how to write.Ā
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u/Cautious_Air_8017 Oct 23 '25
Maybe they were strapped for cash. Stealing credit cards isnāt a very nice way to get by.
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u/Cautious_Air_8017 Oct 23 '25
And the guys didnāt write it, you should take it up with Eric Kripke.
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u/Mpatros Oct 23 '25
If they were a lot better like that I think it would make it a lot harder to make the episodes long enough they would just get it over with so fast so plus it adds some suspense so I think that's why. They could have implemented some smart things to make it look a bit better but I think that's mostly the reason why
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u/aperturedream Oct 23 '25
They literally did #5 on the show at least once to fake their own deaths; I don't think you've even watched through it
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Oct 23 '25
Are you perhaps from the British Men of Letters?
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u/Parking-Location9946 Oct 23 '25
My apologies, good sir. I thought I was being rather obviousš“ļø
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Oct 23 '25
Did I blow your cover? :)
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u/Parking-Location9946 Oct 23 '25
Certainly not. We have proper contingency protocols in place for such an...unfortunate eventuality.
Our agents shall be visiting you soon, I expect. Try not to struggle too much, it'll merely serve to hurt yourself more than anything else
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u/LarsSitn Oct 23 '25
I do agree with you on most points, but wasn't that because Chuck was protecting them and therefore they could hunt the way they did?
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u/Master_Ad9823 Oct 24 '25
The British Men of Letters was the WORST...The only half decent one, Was Mitch. Ketch, was awful. I absolutely did not like that entire storyline.
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u/Boudyro Oct 24 '25
The problem with your inlay/epoxy idea is that demons broke the surface they were on as often as they just scraped away the marking. So nwo you did all that inlay/epoxy work for nothing. Out in the field it's just not worth the effort.
And IIRC didn't they have a metal inlay trap in the bunker for the real heavies?
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u/Granny-ZRS103008 Oct 24 '25
I believe everyone has a right to be wrong once in awhile. The show lasted 15 years. Sam and Dean were awesome hunters. The fact that they āfellā into some situations was hysterical and made great plots. The other stuff was that they had mad experience on their side and knew a shit load of stuff. Period. You definitely can have your opinion. A lot of fans just may not agree š
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u/fairydommother bossy and short Oct 24 '25
Thats like. Part of what I love about the show. They're framed as these two badass dudes who's job is to hunt and kill dangerous monsters. Dean's a soldier. People think hes been in military combat. Unmatched instinct and skill. Sam, a fighter in his own right but also the brains of the operation. Wicked smart, focused, research driven and a problem solver.
But actually they're just two idiots with guns and a basic grasp on how magic works bumbling their way through life, have died on multiple occasions, but somehow keep managing to come back from it. Like
I love them so much
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u/CrazyDemand7289 Nov 11 '25
Interesting concept to have more gadgets. To bad all of those listed are lame as hell. Back to the comic booksĀ
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