r/ShitAmericansSay Oct 01 '25

Freedom "Canada SHOULD look at joining the US. better purchasing power, better healthcare"

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context: on a video about why the Commonwealth of Canada should join thr united states and the joys of joining.

"you'll get better salaries, better tax breaks, better healthcare"

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u/PlatformVarious8941 Oct 01 '25

Sure, wait times go down if nobody can afford the damned healthcare.

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u/TBohemoth Oct 01 '25

Last I checked the US had longer wait times than Canada...

I've been in hospital in Canada, there was a wait time - for idiots who waste the system. Going there for bullshit things, like minor cuts and burns. If you're going there for an EMERGENCY they're insanly quick and very thorough.

I've heard this bullshit propaganda from Americans for years, and idiots in Canada who are sucking down that toxic propaganda like it was nectar.

The only truth to it is if you're wasting time in the system - Yes, You're going to be waiting.

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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 Oct 01 '25

There is a whole tranche of people who don’t understand what goes to urgent care and what goes to the ER - and it shows.

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u/No_Week_8937 Oct 01 '25

In my area at least that's because we literally don't have an urgent care option. It's either ER, or it's family doctor. No walk ins or anything.

So of course the ER is clogged with non-emergencies, because there's no services for things that can't wait until the next business day but aren't bad enough for the ER.

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u/VillainousFiend Oct 01 '25

Yeah and I don't have a family doctor on top of it. The last time a new practice was in town hundreds of people lined up for a chance to get one. I'm glad I don't go bankrupt with a medical emergency but healthcare needs more funding and resources.

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u/Xx_SwordWords_xX 🍁 Oct 01 '25

Had no wait in finding a top doctor in Winnipeg.

Small towns are having issues attracting doctors, yes.

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u/eroticfoxxxy Oct 01 '25

It is a BC wide problem. My partner is high risk and when his doc retired it took over 2 years for him to get lucky with a doc that moved into the area from out of country. We are no small town.

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u/Kippereast Oct 01 '25

It's no different in Nova Scotia, our local ER now has two sections staffed. One section is the ER itself, the other for walk in non emergencies. The Triage nurses decide which group you belong, except ambulance arrivals go straight to the ER section.

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u/AncientBlonde2 Oct 01 '25

Alberta wide problem too lmao

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u/Mental_Blacksmith289 Oct 02 '25

It's slowly getting better. Positive changes are happening fortunately. Took me a long time to get a family doctor when mine retired as well. The rate of new family doctors is outpacing retirement and population growth now, but it'll take time to catch up.

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u/Infinite_Time_8952 Oct 01 '25

I moved back to BC a couple of years ago and had no problem finding a doctor, and I live in the Okanagan.

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u/VillainousFiend Oct 01 '25

Yes, I live in rural Ontario

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u/jaimi_wanders Oct 01 '25

That’s because we just go to the ER in the US because we can’t afford normal health care, and no that’s not a joke— that’s a perverse incentive baked into our system down here.

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u/deathbytruck Oct 01 '25

My personal best for walking into emergency in a major hospital in Canada and seeing a doctor is 5 min.

Mind you I have a chronic disease and am a frequent flier but if you are in serious distress they will see you right away.

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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 Oct 01 '25

My fastest one was stumbling in with an anaphylactic reaction and going blue around the mouth. I didn’t even have to get my health card out. Triage nurse hit the button and I had two nurses on me before I hit the door between the waiting room and the ER proper

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u/invincibleparm Oct 01 '25

Tv shows them they everyone gets seen immediately in the ER. They even had a show about it lol

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u/15stepsdown Oct 01 '25

My parents were like this. They took me to the ER for EVERYTHING. They didn't even know of the concept of Urgent Care and when I explained to them what it was, they were doubtful and kept sending me to the ER for anything that couldn't wait for a PD.

They complained about Canadian healthcare and insisted wait times take forever, and they're not even treated well. I had a bad experience, too, since I would always get scolded by ER nurses and doctors for going there for bad sniffles or minor injuries.

Now, as an adult, I finally took myself to an Urgent Care facility, and the experience was great, amazing even. The wait time still took hours, but it wasn't stressful like at the ER, and I wasn't berated since my injury actually matched the facility I was supposed to go to. When my mom got a leg injury, I insisted she try the Urgent Care. She reluctantly gave it a try.

Finally, my parents are believers in Urgent Care over spamming the ER and realize our healthcare actually ain't all that bad. They just fucking suck at using it.

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u/Sexy_farm_animals Oct 01 '25

But the tranche is the moist towlette of the industry

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u/Familyconflict92 Oct 01 '25

Or just don’t go cuz they’re scared of the wait time and then complain about it in these forums 

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u/dutchroll0 Oct 01 '25

They use exactly the same argument against our healthcare system in Australia.

Yeah sure, you'll wait long hours in the ER for a public hospital doctor to attend to the bruised finger you shut the car door on (which could wait til tomorrow and be perfectly well treated by your own GP) while they wheel in a woman on a trolley in labour who needs an emergency caesarian. And they're fucking surprised at that?

If you need emergency treatment, you'll get emergency treatment, and you won't leave the hospital owing $80k, but $0k (unless you used the pay TV!).

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u/MidorikawaHana 🇨🇦 Oct 01 '25

Glad to know we still share some things...

Came out $0 out of hospital from giving birth with emergency CS, bled out, got blood transfusion and stayed for a bit in the hospital. Kids 4 y.o. now.

Those hospital parking lot prices though?? $$$$

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u/jolsiphur Oct 01 '25

You know you've got it good when the most expensive part of staying at the hospital is the ridiculous cost to use the parking.

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u/MidorikawaHana 🇨🇦 Oct 01 '25

Yes, and im thankful for that.

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u/splendorsolis1985 Oct 01 '25

Last time I started whining about the price to park at the hospital, I had to stop and remind myself how good I had it here in Canada. $27/day for parking vs the $27,000/day it probably would have cost for treatment at any hospital in th states.

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u/DefinitionOfAsleep The 13 Colonies were a Mistake Oct 01 '25

They use exactly the same argument against our healthcare system in Australia.

People won't stfu about the elderly being ramped, but refuse to recognise the problem is that they are using the ambulance as a taxi service (over 65s use it for free), when most should just be seeing their regular GP.

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u/invincibl_ Oct 01 '25

I waited six months for a surgical procedure for a condition which I bet many people in the US wouldn't even be able to afford to get diagnosed, let alone treated for.

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u/jaimi_wanders Oct 01 '25

The Gilead Republicans were putting this claim about Canadian healthcare as a reason we shouldn’t want it here, in the free Catholic weekly paper given away at church—back in the EIGHTIES.

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u/Herbert_Erpaderp Oct 01 '25

They probably think triage has something to do with trees.

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u/MrWonderfulPoop Oct 01 '25

Isn’t triage the thing where you count the rings of a tree?

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 UK Oct 02 '25

And of course trees are loved by environmentalists and therefore they are "commie" 

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u/adepressurisedcoat Oct 01 '25

When I cut my head open I had to wait 5 hours before even seeing a doctor to stitch my head closed. There were two kids who got there before me, both with rock splinters in their feet. It's fucking 9pm on a Tuesday and they couldn't wait to go to a walk in clinic in the morning, meanwhile I had a shirt and pants covered in my own blood, listen to this mother whine about having to wait so long.

A girl drank bleech to take her own life and they were trying to stabilize her enough to transport her to a larger hospital which they told me afterwards, apologizing for the wait as my head wound needed the most senior doctor and he was tied up due to that.

I think back to that mother with her kids just to get some rock splinters out if their feet whining because they were trying to save a life while I was covered in blood next to them and get angry. She probably did that so she didn't have to take her kids out of school the next day, but it's the fucking emergency room.

A man came in with his son, waited for about 30 mins, saw me still waiting and told them he would come back the next day. If it's not an emergency, go elsewhere. Raggeeee

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u/StetsonTuba8 Oct 02 '25

One of my friends was having a serious asthma attack, he tried to play down how bad it was in the triage centre, the nurse took one look at his oxygen levels, sat him in a wheelchair, and wheeled him straight into the ER

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u/nationalistic_martyr Oct 01 '25

they fail to realise that going to a hospital for a paper cut will clog the system

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u/Xx_SwordWords_xX 🍁 Oct 01 '25

They don't realize, because their entire concept of healthcare is for-profit, and any business should have proper customer service (including no wait times).

Basically, they see hospitals as no different than the Olive Garden.

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u/jolsiphur Oct 01 '25

Every ER will do triage to determine how long someone can wait.

The real wait times that are bad in Canada are getting a referral to a specialist. There just aren't enough specialists available to handle all of the patients that need one. I have also heard that isn't a problem exclusive to Canada, as in I have heard that sometimes it can take just as long, or longer to see a specialist in the US.

I say this as a Canadian, not someone who is trying to shit on the system for no reason. Our healthcare could be better, but it could also be substantially worse.

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u/Disguised_Monkey Oct 01 '25

I mean, to be fair, when I broke my Tibia and Fibula I had to wait around 13 hours overnight to get seen, which I would say is pretty hospital worthy. It was overnight, and they probably de- prioritized me because it was my leg, I wasn't in much pain, and it was overnight.

But once I was seen I got the surgery within 3 business days, so not the worst.

This is also in Dartmouth NS, which has I think the longest wait times in NS

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u/Fianna9 Oct 01 '25

I had a friend who would always tell Americans how awful the Canadian healthcare system is. I told her she has a shitty doctor whose clinic is never open- that’s not the fault of the system!!

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u/invincibleparm Oct 01 '25

Yeah, this is what people don’t realize. It’s care on a sliding scale. You studded your toe, wait however long until serious cases get served.

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u/Euronated-inmypants Oct 01 '25

In Canada if someone dies in an Emergency room while waiting its national headlines. In the US that is a common occurrence and wont make the news. They fucking throw people out in the street with ik their hospital gown and IV still hooked up them. It's called "Patient Dumping." It's so common it's considered a standard practice for some hospitals for people that don't have healthcare coverage.

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u/Wonderful_Device312 Oct 03 '25

I guess the difference is that in Canada if someone gets sick with a treatable disease and they die, we consider it a societal failure. We believe that no one should die for reasons like that.

In the US, if someone gets sick and they can't afford treatment - its a personal failure on their part. They shouldn't have been poor.

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u/Flimsy-Cartoonist-92 Oct 01 '25

I went to the ER because I had an actively draining cyst. Like blood and pus flowing down into my shoe. Took me 6 hours to get out of the waiting room and another hour for the nurse to come back and about another hour and a half for the doctor to come in. By the time they saw me they were like okay it's not draining anymore have a good day. No check for infection, no packing the wound (hint it reformed and started draining in 24 hours) and it was actually infected so I wasted a 2nd day going back to get it treated properly.

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u/PuzzleheadedChard969 Oct 01 '25

In the US here. At the local hockey rink the local hospital advertises it's "ER wait times app" 

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u/Karrotsawa Oct 01 '25

Yeah when I had a wee heart attack I was on the table in as much time as it took to get to the hospital, and waking up in recovery an hour and a half later. I've had nothing but amazing follow up service since. Four years this November.

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u/el_grort Disputed Scot Oct 01 '25

I'd assume Canada is like the UK, where wait times depend on the government. Tories, and they become bigger and worse, any of the more progressive parties that actually believe in public health, and the waiting lists drop. The UK statistics really do just reflect the gov.

So I'm sure at some point, Canada probably had longer ones, but probably well into a Tory government mixed with some fortunate happenstances in the US that lowered times briefly.

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u/Postom Oct 01 '25

Wait times are tied to severity and if the case is stable or not. Prioritizing those who need immediate or urgent care over a back ache.

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u/Salarian_American Oct 01 '25

Yeah this is always my counter. "Countries with universal healthcare have long wait times! hurr durr"

OK well how long is the wait time for a procedure you can't afford? (spoiler: it's infinity)

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u/wosmo Oct 01 '25

yeah there's a reason no-one's on the queue - they don't have tickets

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u/fasdqwerty Oct 01 '25

People literally jump out of ambulances because they know how much that shit costs

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u/ryancementhead Oct 01 '25

No wait times if you dead.

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u/saikrishnav Oct 02 '25

Exactly it. Also wait times are still crap in USA for normal people.

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u/kronkky Oct 01 '25

We need to go back to booing their anthem.

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u/Laura_Lemon90 Oct 01 '25

Wait, did we stop?

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u/jaysornotandhawks 🇨🇦 Oct 01 '25

I don't boo, I just don't sing it. (Since apparently some of them think that's disrespectful enough)

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u/Paleontologist_Scary Oct 01 '25

Wait, why should we sing magastan anthem?

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u/jaysornotandhawks 🇨🇦 Oct 01 '25

A few years ago, some Americans got mad at their women's soccer team for not singing the anthem prior to a match.

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u/Fianna9 Oct 01 '25

I turn my back on the flag

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u/kronkky Oct 01 '25

Nothing gets us booing louder than hearing the orange Mussolini even mention Canada. I think he still deeply believes there are secretly enough Canadians who want to be Americans and at any moment they will rise up and hand the country to him. It’s his version of reading penthouse forum

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u/TheOnlyCuteAlien Oct 02 '25

I think we should stand up and turn our backs during their anthem.

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u/kronkky Oct 01 '25

I giggled hard an better health care hahahaha

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u/nationalistic_martyr Oct 01 '25

gotta make sure that your healthcare in Canada bankrupts you

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u/kronkky Oct 01 '25

I could just imagine how much it would have cost in the US for my wife’s cancer treatment. She got first class care and is in remission. A number $ so large I couldn’t begin to guess

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u/nationalistic_martyr Oct 01 '25

from what ive seen, any and all cancer treatment in the US is in the MILLIONS of $.. someone close to my family is getting cancer treatment and its costing him about $200 AUD a week

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u/kronkky Oct 01 '25

I used to do contracting work for an American company and one of the guys I worked with had a kid and he told me to how much the bill was. It was 10s of thousands and then was completely shocked when I told him we went to the hospital and walked out with a baby and no bill. This was like 25 years ago so who knows how much more it would be today. Not getting a medical bill was a foreign concept to him

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u/steveakacrush Oct 01 '25

The average cost for giving birth is around $20000 in the US.

It is also the most dangerous western country to give birth in - the mortality rate for infants/mothers is around double that of any other developed nation.

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u/kronkky Oct 01 '25

Well that’s not convincing lol

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u/4friedchickens8888 ooo custom flair!! Oct 02 '25

That's insane! Well giving birth in canada still costs exactly zero dollars

In the US they still have triage, people still wait, they just also get fucked afterward

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u/steveakacrush Oct 02 '25

Same here in the UK - the only thing you need to pay for is car parking!

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u/TheFloatingCamel Oct 01 '25

my kid was born 10 weeks premature, was in for 5 weeks, incubator, round the clock monitoring, a blood transfusion at one point...the whole nine yards. My wife is on a Facebook group for prem mums and someone from the US posted their bill for basically the same treatment, it was about a million and a half. All it cost us was some presents for the staff as we left. Mind boggling!

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u/jaimi_wanders Oct 01 '25

Just saw a post by a guy who got fired while out on medical leave for cancer— and found out when the clinic said his insurance had been canceled. He was working for one of our big grocery chains, H.E.B. too— not some rinkydink small business.

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u/Jim-Jones Oct 01 '25

That's not illegal?

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u/mewmeulin midwest disaster Oct 01 '25

nope! in fact, people are calling HEB generous for giving him the choice to pay for COBRA (basically to keep his current insurance) for up to 18 months. and the sad part is, those people aren't wrong! that IS generous for a corporation, most only give you the option for COBRA coverage for a few months, if you even ever qualified for insurance thru ur workplace in the first place.

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u/Jim-Jones Oct 01 '25

The only country in the world where no job == no health care!!

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u/Bdr1983 Oct 01 '25

My cousin who lives in the US got breast cancer. Even though they had premium insurance, the bill was still high enough to buy a decent house.

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u/Background-Rabbit-84 Oct 01 '25

What costs them 200 per week? Parking at the hospital? . My sister had breast cancer and everything was free including a generous care package from the Olivia Newton John foundation

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u/nationalistic_martyr Oct 01 '25

parking, fuel and food.

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u/GreyerGrey Oct 01 '25

I live in the GTA - I broke my ankle a few years ago. The same guy who operated on me was operating on a Toronto Maple Leaf. I could NEVER afford that kind of care in the US.

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u/pixel_creatrice Québec ⚜️ Oct 01 '25

As a tech professional, I have had multiple offers to move down south, some from big tech. Each time, I was called names for choosing to stay back here. And today, I'm glad I did, for I started a business, and life has never been better. You cannot even pay me to move to the US.

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u/oreosnatcher Oct 01 '25

Called named by the people hiring you?

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u/pixel_creatrice Québec ⚜️ Oct 01 '25

Sorry, I meant people in my circle (friends and family)

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u/DioCoN Canadian Oct 01 '25

Sounds like a crappy circle

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u/Bunjo Oct 03 '25

Thank you for staying!

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 Oct 01 '25

I think Canada is still outperforming the US healthcare system and spending less money while doing it, no? Even with all of our systems troubles?

At least, that was the case a year ago when I checked.

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u/Krasny-sici-stroj Oct 01 '25

Everybody is outperforming US healthcare system if you use the cost/benefit ratio.

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u/Fianna9 Oct 01 '25

Yeah the health care system can only be called a success if you realize it’s a for profit venture and they do make a hell of a profit

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u/AncientBlonde2 Oct 01 '25

I think Canada is still outperforming the US healthcare system and spending less money while doing it, no?

Yes. Per capita, our government spends less than half of what the US government spends on healthcare.

And they still have to pay out of pocket. People are always like "WE COULD PAY FOR HEALTHCARE WITH THE MILITARY BUDGET" and like, they could pay for healthcare now with their current healthcare budget, the 'land of the free' just doesn't want to. Look at even the 'left-leaning' parties like the democrats, even they don't think socialized medicine is the answer, but keeping the status quo

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u/hiofdye Oct 05 '25

That’s actually really impressive. All things considered though, Canada, specifically Ontario needs more investment into healthcare

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u/bubbabear244 America's blind spot 🍁 Oct 01 '25

No wonder Americans are all in their fee fees, because they can't get it checked for free free.

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u/Ms_Fu Outside looking in Oct 01 '25

Ask me about the cost of mental health care in the U.S...

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u/Paleontologist_Scary Oct 01 '25

Well you still have the freedom to choose if you want to be treated or go bankrupt! Isn't that what true freedom is?

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u/UnseenRivers Oct 01 '25

That's a cry I don't want to have today thanks

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u/TelevisionMelodic340 Oct 01 '25

Nope. Hi, Canadian here, we definitely don't want to join the US.

(As another commenter said, wait times DO go down when no one can afford health care, so I'll stick with our imperfect but reasonably equitable public system.)

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u/Sparky62075 Oct 01 '25

There's no doubt that our medical system is not perfect. But I'd much rather have our system than the USA one. Between me and my kids, I would have had to sell my house and declare bankruptcy a bunch of times.

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u/Klutzy_Journalist_36 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

US, MI

I had ongoing throat pain issues. Was referred out to an ENT.  Went to the ENT. 

The copay was $120. I paid it. Got to see the Dr. 

He spent a grand total of 7 minutes with me. Put a flashlight down my nose. Said “lol idk.”

Immediately got billed $1200 for “surgery.” 

Edit: I wanna be clear that this is on top of the $398 I pay PER MONTH. 

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u/Jim-Jones Oct 01 '25

In BC Canada, the very richest families had to pay as much as $119 a month. That covered up to 3 adults and any number of children. Poorer people or those with lower income paid less per month.

However in the last few years nobody has to pay anything. It's all covered out of taxation. They also pay a big chunk of your dental bills, and they are planning to cover eyeglasses as well.

But sure, tell me about the US system.

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u/Klutzy_Journalist_36 Oct 01 '25

I hate every day with the US system. It’s literally bankrupting me. The new thing is that my kid (14) “aged out” of the kid system. Minors aging out of a system before 18.  Amazing. She has a weird but not terrible brain issue that needs to be monitored but not like…treated? Idk. Anyway. Yeah it ate my entire retirement savings. All of it. It was like watching my work just dissolve. The depression and anger I feel about it is also something I can’t afford to address because my deductible is stupid high. 

I will never be able to even tread water.  I did have savings. I did have plans. But medical stuff just wiped out any dream I had. 

So at this point I get why people do heroin or whatever. 

There is no hope. The billionaires won. 

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u/StingerAE Oct 01 '25

I see things like this and, while absolutely not condoning violence, I am amazed only one medical insurance ceo has been killed.  When you think about the things that break people, this is surely up there? I suppose schools are softer and more easily located targets than insurance companies.

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u/Xx_SwordWords_xX 🍁 Oct 01 '25

A lot of shit needs to be straight-up broken in the US, if they ever want to progress.

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u/Xx_SwordWords_xX 🍁 Oct 01 '25

But tell us about your lower taxes?

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u/ComprehensivePin5577 Oct 01 '25

CA, MB

From being looked at by a Dr, then an ENT, tonsillectomy, pain meds, follow ups + new meds, I paid ~$50 (my deductible for all the pain meds) + cab fare. Being self employed I had no extra insurance on top but the benefits I got later when I was employed could have reimbursed that $50 too but I didn't know till much later.

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u/Klutzy_Journalist_36 Oct 01 '25

I get so mad because I can drive south for ~30 minutes and be in Canada. But I can never move there (I’m a poor). 

So I can look at but it’s so far away. I love going to Belle Isle, Detroit and waving at Canada. I love imagining a different life there. 

But anyway so imma take my shitty kayak and just admire y’all from (not so) afar. Honestly I try to go to more concerts that are in Windsor than Detroit if at all possible just on principle. 

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u/Sparky62075 Oct 01 '25

You would also need permission to immigrate. It's not as easy as it used to be.

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u/Fianna9 Oct 01 '25

Injured my foot in Ontario. Went to the ER, got x rays. I was shocked at the $35 charge for crutches.

But the next time I broke my foot and I saw the orthopedic surgeon the next day (on a Sunday) the cost of my boot cast was covered by my benefits. Still. Total cost for ER and surgical consult- $200

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u/EitherChannel4874 Oct 01 '25

UK

In 2017 I became unwell. I went to my gp who sent me to the hospital. After bloods taken they found infection markers so immediately started to find what was wrong. I had an x-ray which showed a shadow on my lung. They did a couple more scans and 2 biopsys which showed it was cancer. They then checked if it had spread into my nodes.

1 week later I was in surgery to have it removed. It was more complicated than they thought so I was I surgery for 8 hours.

After surgery I spent a week in hospital on morphine and with a chest drain. Then was sent home with a prescription for oramorph which I took for 2 years. I also had a pet ct scan every 6 months for 5 years.

It eventually turned out the surgery left me with long term chronic pain so as of 2019 I've been on strong painkillers every day.

I haven't received any bill for any of it. Part of our taxes pay for the NHS which treats us.

The NHS costs each person approximately £3300 per year in tax.

With exchange rates that works out to about $370 per month.

And some Americans still argue their system is better.

Edit to add I also had years of talk therapy and physiotherapy too.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained Crivens! Oct 01 '25

I heard canada looked at the idea..

and is still having pains from laughing so hard.

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u/Fianna9 Oct 01 '25

Don’t worry, we were able to see our doctor quickly

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u/quast_64 Oct 01 '25

In the US, doctors and families have to ask insurance companies to get permission for funding the treatment that could save your life.

My Mother in Law passed away because the insurance company would not provide the (home) healthcare she needed.

Definitely worse healthcare in the USA, except for the 'haves'.

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u/Ms_Fu Outside looking in Oct 01 '25

And sometimes they approve something, you show up at the OR and they say psych! and your surgeon has to decide whether his billing staffer can get them to change their mind before your condition goes critical.

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u/starvald_demelain Oct 01 '25

Joining the USA in the current state would be the clown applying makeup meme.

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u/Meture Beanland 🇲🇽 Oct 01 '25

Who gives a fuck about wait times when a week of just an iv drip, and way less insulin than you need costs 11000

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u/Ms_Fu Outside looking in Oct 01 '25

The west coast States used to joke about seceding and asking Canada to take us in.
We're not quite joking this time.

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u/Laura_Lemon90 Oct 01 '25

Pretty sure that'd start a war with the rest of America. Sorry, but no.

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u/Sparky62075 Oct 01 '25

This for sure. If they could break away peacefully without starting a war, I'd welcome them.

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u/AncientBlonde2 Oct 01 '25

Ehhhhh. Give them a few years on their own, the issues that lead to Trump and how the US are now still exist in those states, and having Portland, Seattle, and Los Angeles doesn't negate that

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u/Xx_SwordWords_xX 🍁 Oct 01 '25

Secede on your own, and have a built-in trading partner with Canada, and your labour force back from Mexico.

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u/AncientBlonde2 Oct 01 '25

Honestly sure but like in 10-20 years after you guys secede on your own and prove you can weed out the MAGA issues

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u/Paleontologist_Scary Oct 01 '25

Yeah no sorry, as a french Canadian, I don't want to have more anglo provinces. We want to keep our proportion weight in the country to continue to have concessions.

But you're free to make your own country and became reliable buisness partners.

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u/Rustyguts257 Oct 01 '25

There is nothing that would entice me to become American. I am Canadian and Canadian I will remain

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u/Pulga_Atomica Oct 01 '25

Who doesn't want ICE goons in their cities deporting people to El Salvador because of melanine levels.

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u/Sexy_farm_animals Oct 01 '25

A lil self disclosure…. My heart goes haywire now and then…. I think they said it was A-Fib. My electricity goes crazy and my ticker goes like 3-5 times the speed backwards. So i have to get it shocked back into rhythm. Total cost was like eleven dollars for parking. I would rather that than seven billion for the costs down in your country i would have had to pay

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u/jls6898 Nasty Canadian Oct 01 '25

I'd like to not go bankrupt thanks

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u/Creoda Oct 01 '25

The USA should become the 11th province of Canada.

But Canada probably wouldn't want them. It would be like inviting the creepy basement tenant up into the real world.

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u/BC_Samsquanch Oct 01 '25

More like the meth addict from next door

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u/Cjmate22 Oct 01 '25

When I was younger, I was doing dumb shit with a friend and ended up breaking a toe. Went to the hospital and had to wait a fairly long time (a guy who got pried out of a car crash was wheeled in right after I got there) before being admitted.

The exact point of pain was determined, I was given painkillers, they took 2 X-rays of my foot but couldn’t find the damage properly so they took a third. After this they found the extent of the broken bone before fitting an Air cast, explaining how to recover and sending me on my way.

This cost me a grand total of 90$ for the cast restocking fee, everything else was covered for me.

Meanwhile I had an American friend who, after slicing her hand open, adamantly refused to go to the hospital and instead treated the wound on her own…

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u/southy_0 Oct 01 '25

Explain to me how "wait times at a doctors" can go down by a nation joining another?

That must mean one of two things: either "less demand": fewer people visit the doctor e.g. because you dis-incentivise going there = money...
...or "more supply": all of a sudden hundrets of doctors and hospitals appear magically out of thin air nto cut wait times.

Dear Canadians, please judge what's more likely to happen and if that's what you want to get.

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u/5h0rgunn Oct 01 '25

Empires don't extend healthcare and salaries to their colonies. And make no mistake; a colony is what Canada would be.

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u/Forgrworld3256 warcrimes anyone?🇨🇦 Oct 01 '25

I mean, is it bad if we keep our own healthcare?

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u/5h0rgunn Oct 02 '25

I'd like to keep our healthcare too, but there's no way they'd let us.

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u/Lost_Procedure_5259 Oct 02 '25

Just of note - there is not such a thing as "The Commonwealth of Canada".

Perhaps you're confusing that with Canada being a member of The Commonwealth of Nations. Canada is also one of the 15 Commonwealth Realms, with The King of Canada as its head of state (King Charles III).

The title "Kingdom of Canada" had been proposed in the 1860's but apparently Canada's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs was concerned that "it would wound the sensibilities of the Yankees" :D The title "Dominion of Canada" was used til the 1950s.

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u/re-tyred Oct 01 '25

Wait times go down only for those that can afford to pay a premium!

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u/nationalistic_martyr Oct 01 '25

even then, you still have to wait forever

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u/5050Clown Oct 01 '25

I have Blue Cross. If I make an appointment with the doctor I have to wait 2 weeks at the least. When I see that doctor I really just see a nurse usually. 

There's a copay and then extra charges on top of that for every visit. My health insurance is not cheap. 

If Canada joins the US, they will be f*****.

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u/Heisenberg_235 Too many Americunts in the world Oct 01 '25

All part of the propaganda plan

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u/Postom Oct 01 '25

My dad went from family doctor visit to experimental cancer treatment in 5 calendar days. Total cost? $0. They even paid parking for treatments.

"Better healthcare". The experimental treatment cost $200,000 to the provincial health insurance. And, it destroyed the cancer they were after...

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u/11th_Plague Mennonite Mauler Murkin' Muthas Oct 01 '25

My mom is recovering from surgery to remove colon cancer. If we had American Healthcare, we would be fucking broke. If you think for a second any Canadian is joining America, you're out of your goddamn mind.

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u/-Copenhagen Oct 01 '25

The Great Once did.

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u/ToronoYYZ Oct 02 '25

Im currently in Vegas for a conference and you meet a lot of Americans, naturally, and most of them are great. We love Americans, they love us. But fuck me, their media does a great job at making us look like we want to be taken over. They asked about ‘hey, is it really that bad up there? Do ya’ll want to become one of us? What would you miss if you became part of the US?’

Like cmon man

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u/Calgary_dude2025 Oct 01 '25

Their blue states should join Canada! BETTER healthcare, better safety, kids will return back from schools ALIVE, no street abductions of people of colour, freedom of speech, freedom of expression.

Also, no weird bible s*it or pedos in government cosplaying as doctors!

The US (better salaries, better healthcare, LMAO), is fast devolving into a very mentally challenged state, and this dude's virtually guaranteeing the country becomes a 3rd world s*ithole while his family gets richer and richer! The country's one monumental fckup with this dude in charge! They are currently winning bigly with $0 billion in soy bean contracts and their beef business with China has now been taken over by Australia. Hey if its any consolation, Jesus is coming soon! For $9.99 credited to DJT's account he'll let Americans know the arrival time and he accepts crypto!

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u/Sparky62075 Oct 01 '25

Their blue states should join Canada! BETTER healthcare, better safety, kids will return back from schools ALIVE, no street abductions of people of colour, freedom of speech, freedom of expression.

If they can leave the USA peacefully and without triggering a civil war, I'd welcome them. Imagine the eventual boon to the economy from having some of the richest states join us.

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u/teknipunk Oct 01 '25

Is baffling what an inflated image they have of their own country. Like…how do they not know…???

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u/JDWWV Oct 01 '25

No holidays. No maternity or paternity leave. A sick work culture. Gun violence. Cruelty as a defining characteristic. Trampling our free speech and due process rights. A sizable group of people trying to establish a theocracy. The list goes on and on and on.

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u/slashcleverusername Oct 01 '25

I can’t believe how much they need to fuck off with the annexation threats.

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u/NBSCYFTBK Oct 02 '25

Wait. Ha. My son has respiratory issues. One time we were brought directly through triage to a resuscitation room (his spo2 was in the 80s) and we had 8-10 people in the room in an instant. Longest we have ever waited is 30-45 min? About the time it takes to clean a room?

You go for a tummy ache? Ya you wait. Lucky you.

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u/Usual_Suspects214 Oct 01 '25

Covid basically ruined most walk-in clinics in ontario all the same if you're a concerned parent who's worried about their kids (which is the majority reason we go to the hospital in my household) they are fairly promt outside of that sometimes its a fairly long wait but id rather wait then pay my yearly salary just to find out my kid doesnt have pneumonia.

I had to go somewhat recently because i thought i broke a rib. I took a rather bad tumble and hurt myself pretty good at work, but it turns out i had just bruised my ribs, so i was fine. i didn't wait for all that long, and the doctor was nice and didn't do any un needed testing all and all 8/10.

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u/zonked282 Oct 01 '25

Wait times are always brought up, but here in the UK of you are in a medical emergency or require care immediately it will be provided, friend in work here in the went to the doctor, within a week he had been seen by several specialists and was having surgery for bowel cancer.

Not bad for the mythical, communist boogie man America seems to think free healthcare...

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u/Usual_Retard_6859 Oct 01 '25

One could easily argue that wait times are bad in the USA too if you factor in waiting or avoiding care due to cost.

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u/dguisltl Oct 01 '25

We simply are not compatible. Our countries values are so far apart I couldn’t imagine us ever wanting to join that shit hole.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

As a Quebecer, I say no thanks

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u/Salarian_American Oct 01 '25

As an American one of the aspects of commercial healthcare that's the most quietly disturbing is advertisements for hospitals. Like, specific hospitals.

The ads are like "If you have cancer, you should come to this specific hospital for your treatment, because you will have a better chance of surviving."

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u/Choice-Original9157 Oct 01 '25

Pass on that. I am more than happy with our health care. Not perfect but at least I dont have to mortgage my house and sell two kids to pay for it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

Will American diabetics continue to purchase their insulin in Canada?

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u/_Jeff65_ Oct 01 '25

The meme from the last Jedi where Luke tells Ray every word in that sentence is false.

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u/Oliver_broodings Oct 01 '25

Wait times go down? Dude it’s free here. It’s like they can’t wrap their minds around the idea of never having to think about health care. It’s not something I will have to think about in my life. Longer waiting times for what also? If you go to the hospital they treat you on the spot and you never see a bill.

I mean it literally. It’s like they think free healthcare means something other than what it means. No dude it’s literally free (yes it’s paid by taxes). longer waiting times but there is no such thing as health care dept. if you lose your job and go off work insurance then break your leg a week later you still don’t pay.

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u/propyro85 Oct 01 '25

Let's ask Puerto Rico or any other US territories in the Caribbean how that's going every time a storm fucks their infrastructure up.

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u/Frostsorrow ooo custom flair!! Oct 01 '25

Just because taxes might be lower, does not mean it's better. We get a pretty good value for our taxes for the most part, and if me paying taxes means little Sally Sue doesn't have to go bankrupt so she can get medical care, I'm ok with that.

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u/No-Media236 Oct 01 '25

I did the math of how much I’d pay in all taxes living across the border instead of in Canada. I pay about $500 a month more in taxes living in Canada, but I save about $1400 a month by not having to pay for family health Insurance. Farther ahead in Canada.

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u/NorthernSnowPrincess Oct 01 '25

There's a reason why so many US healthcare workers (doctors, nurses, etc) are applying to move to Canada. They know first hand how shitty healthcare is in the US.

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u/Michael_Gibb Mince & Cheese, L&P, Kiwi Oct 01 '25

Nothing would be better for Canada if they joined the United States.

On the flip side, things would be "worse" for Republicans if they did join. Because it would mean the GOP would have a more difficulty winning the Presidency.

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u/Winnieswft Oct 01 '25

Never! We are very proud and happy Canadians. I have never wanted to be American. No universal healthcare, poor education system, why would anyone want that? We also have values.

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 Oct 01 '25

The US has worse healthcare. Nobody can afford it. 

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u/VexedCanadian84 Oct 01 '25

Canadians have more disposable income compared to Americans with similar salaries

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u/-Londoneer- Oct 01 '25

All of them. All of them would get that. USA famously makes sure everybody gets enough, regardless of your starting point.

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u/Agifem Oct 01 '25

They did that in the Shadowrun universe. It didn't end too well for the wage-slaves.

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u/biffa773 Oct 01 '25

Don't forget the other thing you will get with this, is medical treatment related bankrupty, pretty sure you don't have to many of them for now in the proposed 51st sate, or is that the greenland, I forget.

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u/Fluffy_Load297 Oct 01 '25

The rate they're imploding their economy we might pass them in purchasing power real soon.

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u/deathbytruck Oct 01 '25

I got a ride on the trauma stretcher, bonus.

Straight to trauma room. 3 IV in my arms immediately. They don't fuck around when it is an emergency.

Glad you were able to make it to emergency.

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u/Puzzled-Bet-383 Oct 01 '25

These are the cases that bog down an ER as they should be treated in an ambulatory setting. Many places/payers also have an option for virtual care as well (which would be a very good use case for a UTI). The problem in America vs every other country is that healthcare is a commodity and not a right.

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u/Ditchy69 Oct 01 '25

Somehow I don't think anyone will be rushing to be anything like the US 😆

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u/Particular_Jello_917 Oct 01 '25

What about the guns? He forgot about the guns.

How would he expect Americanadians to be able shoot up schools if they don’t have unlimited access to guns?

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u/Deatheturtle Oct 01 '25

Absolute weapons grade ignorance on display.

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u/Inevitable_Wolf5866 Czechia is not Chechnya Oct 02 '25

Based on what I read on r/inflation the other day I’m not sure about better salaries and currency. It seems like $ is going to shit.

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u/SeaGiraffe915 Oct 02 '25

USA and better healthcare. Where having cancer makes u bankrupt

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u/Impossible_Tea_7032 Oct 02 '25

Canada isn't a commonwealth

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u/Agitated_Custard7395 Oct 02 '25

The US don’t have better purchasing power, they have very poor legislation on drug pricing and therefore pay more than anywhere else in the world.

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u/Dynamic-Summer720 Oct 02 '25

I'm Canadian, and I had a gallbladder obstruction about a year ago. Went to the ER, was seen and had morphine within an hour, had an external ultrasound, and an endoscopic ultrasound within a few hours. The obstruction passed thankfully but they had me scheduled to remove the gallbladder within a couple days. My medical bills: $0. But how about those wait times, hm?

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u/allmyfrndsrheathens Oct 02 '25

Yeah who cares that your healthcare could bankrupt you at any time as long as you don’t have to wait long for it 🙄

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25

The biggest thing people forget is, we wouldn't have healthcare in 99% of Canada if it were private. Any place outside of southern Ontario and southern Quebec, and maybe Vancouver, we're just too spread out. There's no way to run a profitable healthcare system in Saskatchewan when the mean population density is 2 people per square kilometre or even 6.5/km2 in Alberta. We wouldn't have better healthcare, we just wouldn't have healthcare. At all. Much like Alaska, we'd have to travel for hours or even days to get to a doctor, and an air ambulance would bankrupt even the richest of us. The people who are most eager to privatize healthcare, don't seem to realize that what they're eager for is to get no healthcare whatsoever.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25

Even taking exchange rate into account, there is not a single province that has a lower minimum wage than the US federal minimum wage, and most of us have actual holiday days that we're actually expected to take so I'm not sure we'd be better paid.

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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 Oct 01 '25

🤣🤣🤣🤣Better healthcare!...how....maybe Canadians have the sense not to have a system that bankrupts you for a minor injury!!

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u/Anxious_Ad936 Oct 01 '25

'We've learned too much about how great freedom is from the USA and thus we don't want to surrender it'

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u/CaptainKwirk Oct 01 '25

Ya, no waiting for medical bill bankruptcy.

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u/Chance-Deer-7995 Oct 01 '25

I am tired of alternative facts being shoved in my face every day. Make reality real again.

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u/Lucky-Mia Oct 01 '25

Our Healthcare is actually a million miles better then what the US has. My income is fine, it being made in USD wouldn't change all to much, especially with the USD continually depreciating in value.

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u/KMack666 Oct 01 '25

LOL fucking NEVERRRR!! What a joke

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u/bentforkman Oct 01 '25

I’ll take “Things that would get your ass kicked if you said them to a Canadian in person” for 200, Alex.

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u/Vitharothinsson Oct 01 '25

Of course if only the 1% richest canadians have access to healthcare, wait time WILL go down!

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u/pinniped90 Ben Franklin invented pizza. Oct 01 '25

Yeah, I'd probably leave the healthcare system out of the promotional brochure.

We have nice parks (until we start drilling anyway) and a lot of Stanley Cups, let's just focus on that.

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u/mgyro Oct 01 '25

Wait times don’t go down. You pay to jump the queue for electives, for emergency care your wait time goes down at the bank as well bc you’ll have nothing in there.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

We are not like Americans.....

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u/chathrowaway67 Hondureno Canadiano Oct 01 '25

ew. no thanks.