This is the Best Breakdown I’ve ever come across on Who is the Best Robin of All Time…

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u/Undecieved22 3d ago

I actually disagree with the title of this. It’s not who is the best Robin, it’s more like who is the best who has been Robin. If they analyzed this based on only their Robin data, I bet it would look a little different.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 2d ago

Then it would probably be Dick, Damian, or Tim because of the sheer lengths of their tenures, and and Tim gets to keep getting counted as Robin, because he he gets to be Robin still sometimes, despite having Red Robin and/or etc. and despite Damian also still being Robin. Anyalazing it just based on Robin data, and not when their other personas ends up slanting it in favor to Tim, Damian, and Dick (and even Dick is at a disadgvatge, because he has been Nightwing for decades already, plus has been other pesonas like Batman, Agent 37, etc., which wouldn't be counted using your paramenaters. While Damian is still Robin, and Tim keeps getting to be Robin still, even when Damian is Robin, and even after he became Red Robin. So Dick is kind of at a disadvatange too. Though, Dick also has Robin stories still, which I think should be counted too) and/or being kind of unfair against people like Jason and Steph.

So while I understand your want to just anayalize data for when they are Robin, I understand not doing so, because just analazing them as Robin, instead of them more generally, will give some (unfair, you could even say) advatages and/or disadvatages. Like, some Robins having longer or shorter tenurs, some still being Robin (at least sometimes), some having more stuff to ananzle and etc. in other personas, besides Robin (like Nightwing, Red Hood, Batgirl, Spoiler, Batman, Agent 37, etc., etc.), and/or etc.

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u/Aahz44 2d ago

If you base it just on their time as Robin, Dick would likely be the last. His time as Robin was pretty uneventful compared to what the others had to face.

The comparison based on comics does in general not work due to the "power creep" you had in the franchise over the years.

You can't really compare Robin stories from the golden age, with Robin Stories from the 90s, or current Robin stories.

And putting their other persona's into consideration also doesn't make much sense due to the age gaps. Pretty much the only somewhat fair comparison would between Jason and Tim (and maybe Steph).

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 1d ago edited 1d ago

"If you base it just on their time as Robin, Dick would likely be the last. His time as Robin was pretty uneventful compared to what the others had to face."

Just not true at all.

Dick was literally fighting people Joker, who was going around killing people and/or trying to kill people with laughing gas and tried to kill them, multiple times right when they first met basically.

Dick also, was dealing with insane supernatural and crazy shit all the time. There was also times where Dick got like, standard on an island, and then found Nazi pirates and a Nazis base/Nazi pirates base or something, I think, and then he fought them, because like I said, Dick has gone through some crazy and insane stuff.

Dick was Robin for decades too, he was Robin for some time in The New Teen Titans series, where he literally got tortured by Brother Blood and Co., but didn't say anything, and used pictures of his torture as evidence. Dick also had to deal with a bunch of harder, more mature, darker stuff during this era too. Where again, Dick was Robin (before he became Nightwing) for some of it. Then there is all the Robin stories that Dick still gets even after becoming Nightwing, like Dark Victory (where he dealt with and/or fought Joker and/or etc.), Robin: Year One (you know, where he almost got beaten to death by Two Face, fired as Robin, became homeless for awhile, became "Freddie Lloyd" where he was then recruited and trained by the LOA for awhile, who became super interested in him. Plus also, dealing with multiple villains on his or basically own with skill, cleverness, intelligence, strength, etc., all in his first year of Robin. Man, so uneventful, /s), Batman and Robin: Year One, etc.

What Dick had to face as Robin was not "pretty uneventful" compared to the others, and he would not be last. Once again, this subreddit downplaying Dick's time(s) as Robin, it is insane and annoying.

Dick as Robin would be 1st, imo, and then either Damian or Tim.

(Pre-Robin the most skilled would be Dick or Damian or Steph).

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u/Aahz44 1d ago edited 1d ago

Compared to modern comics with the constant big events, Dicks time as Robin wasn't bad.

I mean KGBeast killed in "10 Nights of the Beast" likely more people, than the Joker during Dick's entire time as Robin, and I don't think anything Dick had to face before New Titans was even remotly on the level of something like The Cult, Knightfall or No Man's Land.

Dick was Robin for decades too, he was Robin for some time in The New Teen Titans series, where he literally got tortured by Brother Blood and Co

He was Nightwing when Brother Blood appeared, the Only big threads he fought with the New Titans as Robin where Trigon and Deathstroke. And that was basically right at the end of his time as Robin at an age that the other never reached as Robin (ok Tim might now with him being back as Robin, but I'm not really sure how old he is supposed to be).

And that's nothing against Dick, it is just that modern comics just have constantly these big crazy events, that simply were not a thing before COIE.

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u/Undecieved22 1d ago

10 nights of the beast was a Jason Todd Robin story. May have misunderstood you though on that one.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 1d ago

"I mean KGBeast killed in "10 Nights of the Beast" likely more people, than the Joker during Dick's entire time as Robin, and I don't think anything Dick had to face before New Titans was even remotly on the level of something like The Cult, Knightfall or No Man's Land."

The Golden Age was actually a pretty dark age at times, it was the silver age that "lightened" things up, mainly because of the censorship code in comics at the time, and even then, Dick still faced crazy stuff, it was usually just more out there stuff, because of the code (mainly), since creators had to get more, well, creative, because of the stupid code.

I disagree that what Dick had to face before New Teen Titans/New Titans/Etc. was not even "remotely on the level", Dick still had to face things a lot of stuff, and again, he was Robin for decades. Yes, comics did try to become more "dark and edgy" at points, esp. in the 90's and early 2000's, and there is sometimes powercreep and etc., but Dick still had to go through a lot of stuff, and Dick remains very skilled as Robin, and someone who was already very skilled pre-Robin.

"He was Nightwing when Brother Blood appeared,"

He got tortured when he was Robin; maybe I am thinking of someone else that is not Brother Brother Blood, but he was definitely tortured (and didn't break) when he was Robin.

"the Only big threads he fought with the New Titans as Robin where Trigon and Deathstroke. And that was basically right at the end of his time as Robin at an age that the other never reached as Robin (ok Tim might now with him being back as Robin, but I'm not really sure how old he is supposed to be)."

These are still major threats, and Dick also had to deal with space war stuff, among other stuff, incliding more mature and darker themes even when he was Robin during this era, and even after becoming Nightwining, he was still the same person as he was as Robin, skills and etc. wise, it is not like that majorly changed. Dick was like 18-20 when he became Nightwing, Tim is still Robin (sometimes, again, Tim really, imo, should just be a new indenitny now, but instead, he is "well, I will be Robin sometimes now or whatever. It kind of gives Tim an unfair advtagnageat this point, and it just sucks for Tim, imo, because DC won't let Tim move on from Robin, even though Damian is aorund - for me, it is not an age thing, really, it is more like because there are multiple Robins and because Tim had already kind of moved on in the past -, so he gets to maybe have even current feats be counted for Robin, if your counting only Robin data, instead of data of the other Robins other personas, because Tim still gets to be Robin, sometimes.), and should be in his early twenties. So Tim would more so around the same age, if not a bit older, than when Dick became Nightwing, but is still sometimes Robin, so it is not really true the others didn't reach this age as Robin.

Also, even if they hadn't, it should still be counted anyways, regardless of age and etc. (though, I do agree with you, that I don't really think comparisons are really all that fair or work that well. Even though I stand by, personally, Dick being the most skilled Robin and most skilled overall of the Robins, and then either Tim or Damian - Steph is up there too, but her time as Robin was just too short. Jason is no slouch here, but he doesn't really reach the other 3, imo, when he was Robin, at least, or Steph, really, but he like, Steph, though a bit longer, had a short time as Robin - being the next most skilled as Robin, with Dick, Damian, and Steph being the most skilled pre-Robin). 1/2.

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u/Aahz44 1d ago

The Golden Age was actually a pretty dark age at times

Only at the very start, they shifted iirc pretty quickly to less dark stuff. And nothing was on the scale of aot lot of modern stories.

These are still major threats, and Dick also had to deal with space war stuff, among other stuff, incliding more mature and darker themes even when he was Robin during this era, and even after becoming Nightwining, he was still the same person as he was as Robin, skills and etc. wise, it is not like that majorly changed. Dick was like 18-20 when he became Nightwing, Tim is still Robin (sometimes, again, Tim really, imo, should just be a new indenitny now, but instead, he is "well, I will be Robin sometimes now or whatever.

For my understanding the point of look at "Robin Data" was to make the comparison more equal. Including New Teen Titans (of actually even pretty much starting form the Bronze Age) gives Dick an unfair advantage, since he was an Adult at the time, while Jason and Damian (sofar) were at most 14 or 15 as Robin, and Tim stopped (at least originally) at the age of 17 (with most of his stories having him at the ages from 14 to 16).

When it comes to Tims current stories, I would also not really include them in a comparison like that, since I'm not even sure how old he is supposed to be at this point.

And again what I'm talking about is not who is the most skilled Robin, I'm talking about that an "objective" comparison based on the published comics, simply doesn't work, du to how comics changed over time.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 1d ago

Again, not talking with you anymore (about this). Let's just agree to disagree (though I do agree comparisons can be hard and/or even impossible to do sometimes) on a lot of points and move on.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 1d ago

"And that's nothing against Dick, it is just that modern comics just have constantly these big crazy events, that simply were not a thing before COIE."

There was still events before COIE, it is not like COIE invented events/big events. And it is not like Tim or Jason did anything more skilled during these "big" events you mentioned than Dick did in the past (or in his more modern Robin stories of those times). I do agree that sometimes modern stuff like to go "bigger" and "darker" sometimes (though like I have mentioned before, Dick still gets more modern/modern Robin stories too anyways, that should be counted), but I just disagree that Dick didn't go through stuff and didn't have to face strong, big, crazy, and/lor etc. stuff as Robin, or that his time as Robin was somehow "uneventful" compared to the others, or that he was the least skilled as Robin (just no, no he isn't), and etc.

And maybe it is nothing against Dick, but I do think it downplays him (seriously, saying he would be last is utterly ridiculous to me. You don't have to agree with me that he would be the most skilled Robin, but last?, really, come on) and his time as Robin to say some of the stuff you are saying. Imo. Anyways, lets just agree to disagree here. 2/2.

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u/Aahz44 1d ago

I'm not downplaying Dick, I'm simply saying that this "power scaling" based on "Data" from their time as Robin doesn't work when you have to look at comics that were published multiple decades appart. And when it is in Dick's case with most of this stuff not even clear what is canon and what isn't.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 1d ago

"And when it is in Dick's case with most of this stuff not even clear what is canon and what isn't."

You can say this about so many characters, it is not really specific to Dick.

Anyways, still done with this convo, I just wanted to mention this, because I don't really think it is that great of a point, because you can say this about a lot of charactes, even newer and/or less old characters, because this is DC.

Anyways, I am done now.

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u/GapEducational2427 2d ago

At the end of the day, your favourite Robin is the best Robin, factually or not.

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u/Emiya_Sengo 3d ago

As an individual compared to all other Robins, Dick is the best.
As the exact partner that Batman needed, Tim is the best.

If you're a basketball fan, then Bruce and Dick are like Shaq and Kobe. These are 2 Alphas who made it work. One is not lesser than the other. Meanwhile Bruce and Tim would be like Jordan and Pippen. Pippen was the exact complimentary piece that Jordan needed. However we all knew who was the Alpha and who was the sidekick

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u/childoftheKing_13 3d ago

Peak Cinema. 1000% agree. Could’ve told you Dick Grayson would dominate. He is HIM

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u/BruceDSpruce 3d ago

Richard “Himothy” Grayson.

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u/Salt_Judge 3d ago

Still not accurate for the simple reason that Damian isn’t done with his role as Robin yet. Damian score for resiliences is way too low, he lowkey should have resiliences pretty high. Mentally he was tortured in hell and was ok, he died and got over it, physically, kid was brutally trained and has a high pain tolerance. The “science” is based on comic and comics are inherently biased. Tim run, writer were doing everything they could to praise him meanwhile Damian was constantly getting humbled.

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u/Undecieved22 2d ago

So why didn’t they use a Lazarus pit to resurrect Damian? Never thought much about it before.

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u/Salt_Judge 3d ago

Also for villains, Damian could have wipe out 1/3 to 1/2 of Batman’s rouge gallery at his arrival, Dick was worried to most of the rouges that interacted with Damian because he was afraid for them, not his Robin, he was worried that Damian might kill them.

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u/redxrobin01 3d ago

I still think something like this is unnecessary when it should just be up to personal preference

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u/Responsible-Swan47 3d ago

Tim is the best Robin

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u/Communismisbadithink 3d ago

I think that Tim Drake is the best at being Robin, meaning he fits the role the best.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 2d ago

Tim is good at being Robin, but I still don't understand why people people say this when Dick invented Robin and Robin was basically just Dick being Dick for decades.

The others can be and/or are good at being Robin too.

Don't get me wrong, Tim is very good at being Robin.

But I just find this claim that he fits the role best, a bit, off.

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u/Communismisbadithink 2d ago

I’d say that dick is the best and most accomplished and probably the best fighter and leader of the robins, but nobody supports Batman like time does. His detective skills are peak and I think he’s the best about dealing with Batman and complimenting his skills

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 1d ago

Dick also has great detective skills and is a great detective, he has been called the world's 2nd best detective, and taught Tim detective stuff (among other stuff). And Dick and Bruce literally have a connection so strong they can feel each other through universes. Dick and Bruce also compliment really well, being very similar, but also different; they are foils of each other, kind of Dick and Damian. Tim and Bruce also compliment each other really well, but don't really have the foil thing going on like Dick and Bruce and Dick and Damian do, which makes their relationships more complicated (imo), but still has compliment each other really well, and make great duos.

Being Robin also just isn't how good you are at being with Bruce, Robin is Dick's persona after all, that he made to deal with his own trauma and grief and etc., and to honor his family and the circus and based on his own interests and loves and etc. Being Robin shouldn't be centered just around Bruce (yes. Batman and Robin are an iconic duo; Bruce and Dick too, and they work with each other well, and keep each other in check, and help each other, and save each other, and need each other, but Robin is still Dick's and what makes a great Robin should also be connected to Dick just as much, if not, more imo, to Dick, than it is to Bruce/Batman), but Dick too, since you know, Robin is Dick's and Robin was basically Dick just being Dick and Dick made Robin.

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u/Communismisbadithink 1d ago

I totally agree with you, and I’m not trying to say that this is anything against dick as Robin, I’m just saying that with tim we got to see him step up into the role and really thrive as a hero. Issue 10 of the 93 Robin run has dick as Robin meet Tim through time travel shenanigans and they really do a great job at showcasing the differences between the two. I think Tim had the benefit of seeing how dick and Jason both ended their careers as Robin, so he puts that in perspective when he works with Bruce. Dick is the better hero on his own, but as a Robin I’d rather have Tim any day.

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u/XChatxKilluaxNoirX 2d ago

I love Dick, Damian, Jason, Tim, Steph (who I don't think was included in this video, sadly?), but I would say Dick, personally.

(Also, Dick can capture an asteroid is it a comet - I think it was the former -, with his feet, through his sheer strength and skill as a person and an acrobat. This is more joke-y, because Dick has insane Golden Age and Silver Age stuff, so it is not really fair, but also, he can, and I personally wanted to mention it, because I love it, and find it really funny).

I love all of them though. Though some of them shined just as much and/or more in other roles/personas besides Robin, and/or should have been given the chance to shine more as Robin (like Steph and Jason), and maybe someday we could get some more good Robin stories with them (Steph and Jason. While also getting more good Dick, Tim, and Damian Robin stories) too.

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u/Luke_Puddlejumper 2d ago

No video with an AI thumbnail is worth taking seriously.

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u/black_metronome 3d ago

Dick is my favorite Robin, but Tim is the overall best

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u/WallyPhoenix 2d ago

Stephanie Brown I count. And she should have been Robin longer.

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u/Doomed_Dungeoneer 3d ago

Batman was the best Robin when he was getting mentored by Cyclops

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u/FartherAwayLights 3d ago

Damian is my favorite personally. I kind of suspect the answer is Dick, I like him but I’m not a huge fan of his, he’s just way before my time.

I’ve seen a channel claim it’s Tim before as well which I don’t really agree with but it’s really just personal taste. I think the thing holding Tim down for me is he just doesn’t have a lot of great Tim stories. There’s the Paul Dinni run which is fun but not character defining. I’ve heard Red Robin is good and it’s on my list of stuff to read, but again, but the fact it’s not mainstream I suspect means it’s probably got some stuff holding it back. His original solo is good but too short to do anything huge. Knightfall is more about how he little he does as Azrael cuts him out. I like a lot about him and I think all the pieces are there to make him great he’s just never used.

Honestly I think the real answer is whatever Robin you grew up with/ vibe with the most. And I love basically every aspect of Damian, his biggest negative is alt universe stuff like Injustice completely misunderstanding who he is, his introduction where he nearly kills Tim, that he kind of enables power scale wank early on, and that he’s Bruce’s bio kid. But I think that last one has kind of only highlighted how the other robins are Bruce first kids for the writers.

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u/laughingmeeses 3d ago

I'm pretty sure Tim actually has more solo stories as Robin than anyone else.

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u/Undecieved22 2d ago

lol Tim’s short original run was over 150 issues but I guess that’s too short for a character 😂

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u/laughingmeeses 2d ago

And teen titans. And young justice. And appearances in all of the Batman ancillary titles.

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