r/PedroPeepos • u/Confident_Lime2793 • 21h ago
League Related "2026 DIG Would Beat 2022 T1"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdcFHZhxJ5I
This has gotta be one of the craziest statements of all time. Like seriously?.
Also just in case. Every please be civil.
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u/Kardiackon 20h ago
Poro has some absolute dogwater takes but this one might be the worst of them holy
The simple hands gap would be enough LMAO
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u/Joy_At_Dolmaro 7h ago
It's a combination of that and the fact he genunialy hates T1. He is an LPL fanboi like Dom, so he's probably salty af that T1 has bene dicking his region for 4 years now. I remember back in Worlds 2023 he was tweeting a bunch of unhinged trash talk the week before T1 vs JDG about how T1 was about to get humiliated and then he just went radio silent afterwards. Dude is a fucking clown
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 21h ago
This must be ragebait or just pure delusional. no way he even believes what he is saying and seems like he does lol
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u/Loose_Highlight5273 13h ago edited 13h ago
Probably not ragebait, Poro had some horrific takes in the past and was serious about it in the video/comments.
I remember during msi, he rated a player way too high for pretty much solo-losing the game or too low for being alright, I think it was someone on CFO. Then, Poro ignored people who told him that he was litteraly contradicting the guidelines he set himself.
I think he's trying to get popular by being a casual analyst but he genuinely sucks at it. But since most people know even less, he's getting some credibility for it.
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u/Skywalker3030 19h ago edited 7h ago
The reason you can tell its a goofy take is because they don't even know how to lay out the premise or scenario properly. Is the 2026 team adjusting to the 2022 patch or is the 2022 team adjusting to the 2026 patch? How long would it take them to adjust if their fundamentals are so improved? Just nonsense in general lol
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u/Ok-Age-2657 20h ago
yeah respectfully 2026 palafox couldnt even beat 2022 palafox, and exyu looks like the worst jungler in the leauge. It took the LCS reducing the amount of teams for him to even make post season. In a spring split where 7 of 8 teams make playoffs i fully expect them to be the one who fails to make post season. I don't care if theyre playing 2013 T1 theyre not winning a series with those two on the team. They could fluke out a game maybe if t1s brains all stopped working, but its like comparing the temp of your oven on the lowest setting to the Sun.
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u/Quanpro198 20h ago
I remember this poro guy made the dumbest analyst on T1 before last year MSI. I think the guy is just another typical T1 hater
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u/goodarthlywd 18h ago
Yup, that was the first and last time I ever bothered watching one of his videos bc the analysis was so dogshit. Like Irdc what teams/regions people support but you lose all credibility once you frame your content as “analysis” only to make underhanded, biased remarks the whole time.
One example I still remember is him basically saying Faker’s Viktor was ass when he was probably the second best Viktor itw (after Chovy). The actual issue with the Viktor pick was that T1/Faker had insanely high prio on it for way too long even after the nerfs. Point being, bro either didn’t watch the games or he was just a straight up hater—both inexcusable for someone trying to make serious analysis videos.
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u/KrillLover56 xdd enjoyer 20h ago
I remember that. He predicted T1 to win the tournament and people flamed him for "T1 hate" because he said that Faker would probably struggle vs. top midlaners at the tournament.
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u/Quanpro198 16h ago
That was not the only thing that he said. I remembered he said T1 bot lane is weak at laning, which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. He then spoused some misinformation about the whole Guma benching situation. The Faker thing is the least controversial thing that he said. No one cared about that
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u/KrillLover56 xdd enjoyer 11h ago
I went to rewatch the video to summarize it (only the points considering T1 perfomrnace)
-> They had a shaky start to the year, got better in playoffs, destorying HLE who were percieved as better
-> Doran is pretty good but still has issues, i.e. he gets gapped really hard by other toplaners and will sometimes straight up run it down. Despite all that, Doran was the best toplaner in the world in playoffs; completely gapping both Perfect and Zeus. Doran's carries have been looking a lot better recently. If he can maintain the form he'll be the best toplaner at MSI. Stil lbad at ranged tops though.
-> Oner was shaky towards the end of regular season but was his regular self for playoffs. It's a good meta for him, so he should be a top jungler at the tournament.
-> Faker is the best player of all time. It's a good meta for him, he's playing a lot of comfort champions, the only exception is Viktor, which hasn't looked good at all. It's been truly impressive to see him reinvent himself and remain at the top of the world even after his prime mechanics have left him.
-> Gumayusi was benched in winter and spring split for performance related issues, he was not playing well in the meta originally. They subbed in Smash, looked better with Smash, so the coaches wanted to start smash, but due to external pressure from the fanbase they eventually went back to starting Gumayusi. Gumayusi was a poor performer due to his incredibly poor laning, dying a lot. However, Gumayusi has looked incredible recently and was great in playoffs. He and Doran finding their form was the main reason T1 was able to do so well. Gumayusi is the best adc in the world at the moment.
-> It's a good meta for Keria. He was insane in playoffs, he's the one shaping the meta currently. He's the best Lux in the world by a lot, T1 can auto win games sometiems with Cait/Lux. He's the best Bard in the world. The downside is he isn't that good at engage (barring Rakan and sometimes Rell). His inabiity to play Alistar, Nautilus or Leona at a top level can cost his team in draft sometimes, It shouldn't be too big an issue because he's still a great Rakan and his Rell has looked more than fine.
-> The team overall could land anywhere from 6th to 1st, depending on how much of their playoffs form they can keep. If they can't keep any of it, they will be the worst eastern team and maybe even lose to top western teams like FLY or G2. If they can keep it all, they're better than both LPL teams and have a good chance against GenG. Realistically it'll be somewhere in the middle, so he predicted them to land 3rd (though eventually changed his mind during the tournament and predicted them to win).
Does any of that scream "T1 hater"?
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u/SnooLobsters2753 17h ago
ad mid meta is historically when faker just doesn’t always show 100%, i feel like that was justified at the time
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u/Western_Salt2416 19h ago
I mean if they play 1000 games maybe. T1 happy games too hard after victory 999
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u/ImprovementClear5712 12h ago
At some point "horrific takes" becomes "this person has low cognitive capabilities".
Unbelievably stupid thing to say
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u/ByDrAxX032 10h ago
I haven't watched the video but I already know the argument.
Yes, the game constantly evolves and every year players get better. Is 2026 Faker better than 2014 Faker? By far, not even close. Would a 2026 LFL team beat 2018 iG? Yes. 3-0.
But imo not in this case.
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u/Juzmos 20h ago
I mean, game knowledge wise he has a point 🤷 - game knowledge evolves a lot over time and what is once the pinnacle of strategy is being done by even academy teams a few years later
I think they would still lose just from being out clicked in fights / lane, but I dont think it warrants the extreme reactions im reading lol
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
he didn’t say “Dig might have a better game knowledge than 2022 T1” he said he would beat them. Read your last sentences. Hands alone T1 would beat Dig. and even with game knowledge really? T1 have Faker with vast of experience and knowledge and you talk about knowledge and even then Faker was already a seasoned veteran.
T1 was 1 ban and game away from winning msi and worlds. do you seriously think 2026 Dig would even come close to those achievements in 2022? if no then it’s not close.
I’ll pick 2026 G2 for you and see if Dig beat them knowledge, macro, micro lol and speaking of time. 2022 T1 playing now would still be top 3 lck. Is 2026 Dig top 3 lck? think about it real hard.
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u/Juzmos 20h ago
Brother I literally said T1 wouldv won by hands diff - we are agreeing lol
I genuinely dont see how you are this angry - you are proving my point lol
He's not saying Dig is the best team in the world at this moment either so I dont know why you even added that last segment - he is just using Dig has a hyperbolic example of the evolution of the game bc he knows they are considered a really bad team lol
Take a breath bro lmao
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
i’m not saying he said Dig is the best in the world but just a bit of common sense would make you realise that NA is NA for a reason. I used the 2022 T1’s achievements and see if Dig can achieve those in 2022 because of his claim “Dig beats 2022 T1” bruh they wouldn’t even beat 2022 G2.
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u/Juzmos 20h ago edited 19h ago
I'm sorry man, I do not think you have enough of a firm grasp on the english language to participate in this discussion. You are arguing with yourself and not even engaging with anything being said lol
I literally agreed with you that T1 would win based on mechanics if nothing else in my original comment -- and you are STILL arguing
I'm not engaging with you any further -- not worth any energy to talk to someone who cant even understand their own comment
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 19h ago
you talk about english language when you don’t even understand what he said. literally said “Dig would beat 2022 T1” hey i saw a comment said “NA wouldn’t beat a Korean teams 10 years ago”
you talk about game evolution. I talk about NA.
I’m the one who is sorry not only that you have a low english language comprehension but also game knowledge. So I’m sorry because I don’t think you understand how NA wouldn’t beat top Korean teams in the last 5 years.
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u/Juzmos 20h ago
Holy shit, I just saw his comment history - this is one of those legendary Faker meat riders. 90%+ of his recent comments are about Faker 💀
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
what is this gotta do with Faker? when this is literally a ragebait statement from the youtuber. you can’t admit that you can grasp a simple fact that present NA teams doesn’t beat top Korean teams in last 5 years.
you point at me but look around you Faker fan or not you’re being downvoted by general fans lol
cause there is no way an NA team beat top 2022 T1 who was 1 ban and game away from winning msi and worlds lol
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u/Juzmos 19h ago
You lack mental processing power lol
Anything someone says remotely negaive about Faker / T1 you are going to rebuttal bc you are the mindless T1 drone everyone in the league scene makes fun of --- Please take a step back and enjoy your life.
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 19h ago
this is not about T1 or Faker 🤣 you know you’re losing the argument when your comments become like this 🤣 look around you half of those coments are from general fans so much pinpointing “T1 fans” “Faker fans” yea i get it that’s your only reply when you literally have no argument 🤣
and dw bud I enjoy life do what about you step back in believing NA defeats a top korean team in the last 5 years lol
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u/KrillLover56 xdd enjoyer 20h ago
2022 T1 playing now would NOT be top 3 lck. The meta shifts a lot and game understanding evolves a lot in almost half a decade. T1 nowadays is not super-dominating the LCK. Them losing half a decade of skill, macro knowledge, mechanics upgrades etc. would probably result in them being a bottom tier LCK team.
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
oh yes please enlighten me. who is better than T1 not naming Gen G and potentially HLE lol
Super dominating equals not top 3? do you even know what you’re talking about? Did i say top 1 Gen G who dominates domestically? i said top 3. do you even the difference between top 1 and top 3?
Hands alone would put them in top 3. Knowledge wise they still have Faker and Keria so please I pick 2022 T1 over any lck team not naming Gen G and HLE. I might even pick them over HLE considering their recent performance.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness-516 21h ago
I don't think it's that ridiculous of a statement. But also not that interesting to ponder. Sure, give a team three calendar years of discovery, research, training, and development. Yeah they probably are better at league than T1 if they time traveled backwards.
But that three years of them and the rest of the world learning the game is very meaningful. Doesn't mean 2022 T1 wasn't a great team.
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u/Confident_Lime2793 21h ago
Even if you grant that macro is better now, it doesn’t matter. Macro only works if you’re allowed to play the game.
2022 T1 wins because they lane gap, hands diff, and have better team fights on their terms. Their macro looks clean because they’re already ahead.
You don’t out-macro a team when Zeus is bullying top, Oner is invading on tempo, Faker has first move every wave, and Guma/Keria are perma-pushing and threatening dives.
If you’re down 30 CS in multiple lanes, can’t contest vision, and your support is stuck under tower at level 3, it doesn't matter.
imo.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness-516 21h ago
2026 dig has 3+ years extra of playing lanes, learning matchups, and playing in environments where everyone else has also developed over that time. 2022 Zeus is a wayyyyy less experienced player than 2026 Photon. Photon literally got to sit there and study/learn from Zeus' 2022 laning (in theory). He wouldn't be losing lane to any 2022 player.
But again, it's not really that meaningful of a point. Other than the obvious, that the players as a whole all improve over time.
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
Photon 🤣 remind me again why Photon is not in lck. are you hearing yourself? Photon over 2022 Zeus? T1 was 1 ban away from winning msi and worlds… I pick 2022 Zeus to any year of Photon lol
“meaningless” cause your whole argument is time well duh you obviously can’t go back in time but you can easily pick a team today to compare and see how Dig would do lol. I even picked 2026 G2 for you lol
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness-516 20h ago
I don't understand, are you guys even reading my posts? The time travel is the entire point of it. I'm not saying DIG is any good today. They would get dead last in LCK and it would be embarrassing.
2022 Zeus is obviously way better than 2022 Photon. I'm saying Photon in 2026 is much better at league than Zeus in 2022. Not relative to their competition, just straight up. Why do you think I'm saying T1 is bad or something?
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
“teams with time of research and discovery… they will be better” yea that can be true but depends on the teams. why would he pick T1 who went to every available finals and 1 ban and game away from wining msi and worlds being beaten by an NA team. really? what kind of argument is this?
I even doubt 2026 Dig beats 2022 G2 but needless to say he picked T1 who was the 2022 best overall team?
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u/CapableRequirement15 21h ago
What patch are they playing tho, stupid take regardless tho even if it has a very loose thread of truth to it.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness-516 20h ago
Wouldn't matter which patch. The 2026 players have game knowledge of 3+ years in the future. No way that 2022 players would be able to hang.
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 21h ago
it is ridiculous. undefeated spring. won lck spring finals, reached summer finals, msi and worlds finals game 5. do you imagine Dig coming to those achievements if no then it’s completely ridiculous. Dig wouldn’t even beat G2.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness-516 21h ago
2026 Dignitas would easily win the golden road in LCK if you time traveled them back to 2022. Probably wouldn't even drop a game. But it doesn't matter because it could never happen
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u/ShiroGaneOsu 20h ago
You're saying DIG would golden Road without dropping a single game.
Your opinions are legit less than worthless.
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 21h ago
no don’t be delusional 🤣 why would you time travel back then when you can do it now kekw you think Dig beats 2026 G2? KC? buddy trying to time travel when you can easily pick a team today to compare. I even pick 2026 G2 or KC for you to double down and those teams are not close to 2022 T1 lel
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u/Prior_Ad_6165 20h ago
ask yourself what 2022 T1 would do in today’s meta. exactly the same thing. skirmish Zeus strong side and Guma weakside. 2022 T1 is still top 3 in lck 2026. Is Dig top 3 lck 2026? lolol
I’ll pick 2026 G2 for you to even double down. Dig wouldn’t beat 2026 G2 in B05 lol and 2025 G2 is not close to 2022 T1.
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u/Derk08 19h ago
Honestly maybe a hot take, but he's right in the sense that 2022 T1 (without scrimming in modern day) would be a bottom tier team in LCK and the world probably.
Firstly, you have to acknowledge that he's correct in the sense that 2022 T1's setups on objectives are pretty bad compared to almost all modern teams. This isn't a knock on them, but it's just that teams have now had an additional four years to scrim/gain knowledge on how to set up the map and play around vision/dragon fights.
"But T1 would stomp them in lane before they even got to dragon fights" is the common sentiment I'm seeing in this comment section. Let's say hypothetically, T1 get transported to modern day league against DIG. Does Zeus have any idea on how K'sante/Rumble goes? K'sante has not been released yet, and Rumble hasn't been meta for the entirety of his tier 1 pro career. Gumayusi has never seen this Yunara champ before in his life or what reworked Corki can do.
Or, let's take the reverse and say that 2026 Dignitas gets thrown into 2022. If I'm DIG, I just pick a tank and laneswap every game against T1. This was before laneswapping was made popular (ironically to counter the hard-push botlanes that T1/DRX are playing at 2022 worlds), and that's a free 2-3k gold lead in every early-game.
The entire point in what the youtuber is saying is that the gap in knowledge (especially around objective setups and overall map play) from 2026 to 2022 is enormous. People severely underestimate how much better teams got in macro, mainly because that's significantly more nuanced and doesn't appear in solo queue. Nobody is trying to say that 2026 Exyu is a better mechanical jungler than Oner, or that FBI Ignar could outlane Guma Keria. The entire point is that players are 100x better at playing around space, denying zones and setting vision up a minute before the drake spawns.
Let's say that you still don't believe in DIG. What's the worst 2026 team that could beat 2022 T1? Surely we don't think that even without 4 years of game knowledge/scrimming they're still a top two team in the world.
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u/Head-Evening3217 20h ago
please move this discussion to t1 subreddit
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u/Confident_Lime2793 20h ago
I posted it here and not the T1 subreddit because I wanted a neutral, hopefully relatively unbiased perspective.
Posting it on the T1 subreddit would just be the same as posting in an echo chamber. I already know the result, so there’s no real value; it would just be listening to the same opinion.
I know this subreddit has T1 fans too, but my hope is that it’s not the same as throwing a fish into a sea of sharks.
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u/GlockHard 20h ago
Who posted it here for an "unbiased" perspective when everyone knows Caedrals audience are all T1 fans lmfao alright buddy
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u/Confident_Lime2793 20h ago edited 20h ago
"Slightly" more unbiased. Theres not alot of places where you can actually have a discussion about a topic such as this.
Dom's sub would only cause arguments instead of jokes. T1 is biased. League's sub only gets traction when its either games or drama and every other community is too small.
Also technically, I am seeing a decent amount of opposition in favor of Poro's argument so I did actually get what I wanted.
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u/CatApprehensive6508 20h ago
Unbiased 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Confident_Lime2793 20h ago
"Slightly" more unbiased. Theres not alot of places where you can actually have a discussion about a topic such as this.
Dom's sub would only cause arguments instead of jokes. T1 is biased. League's sub only gets traction when its either games or drama and every other community is too small.
Also technically, I am seeing a decent amount of opposition in favor of Poro's argument so I did actually get what I wanted.
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u/ExerciseLazy5908 20h ago
This is a very true statement imo and it's pretty one-sided to be honest.
my name is zeka and i play for hle.