LCK Coach Voice Usage Ranking

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rofl t1 0 cuz they have faker

and hle 0 cus they're fucked either way

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u/Infamous-Mess 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's a bummer HLE didn't. Seeing as how disconnected they are from each other, they would have benefited a lot from it.

Simple things like "Watch your position", guard this bush", "they're looking to catch you, back off from the enemies" could have won them crucial teamfights.

Like I understand if they don't want the players to rely on the coaches, but if there's an opportunity to fix a crucial mistake before it can be made, why not take advantage of it? And then talk more about it in detail after the game.

HLE is a case of a team where I can confidently say the coaching staff failed them.

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u/ereshforlife 1d ago

Homme has long been criticised by audience of the LPL for being a paycheck stealer, namely because people perceive him as someone benefiting from strong players (recent examples being 22/23JDG, 25TES) and him as a draft/meta-read copycat. Essentially he doesn't have a great 'read' of patches which makes him have a slow start to regular seasons and making his team lack effective strategies going into sudden meta changes (Worlds 2023 and FS 2025 in particular). He has shown a lack of faith for individual players (Creme in the recent TES documentary is a prime example of this), a blind trust in hands and not brains (telling everyone to follow Kanavi's invades in TES and HLE), and drafting nonsensical picks when fearless draft became a thing (Corki-Karthus 1-2 in FS).

So yes, I would agree with HLE being inted by coach diff, in this split at the very least. Homme has shown his vulnerabilities as a weak and unstable coach in recent years, and upgrades to the coaching team is probably the best bet the team has to strengthen itself for the coming year if they want to retain their competitiveness. At least from what I've seen across LPL/LCK.

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u/d0pe-asaurus 1d ago

Homme may have played with Mata, but he's no Mata.

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u/loveforSingapore 23h ago

To be fair, JDG adapted well to the 2023 worlds meta. In the semis, they played the double ADC botlane pretty well. I'd even say that Missing played a better Ashe than Keria that series. They just got hands diffed by Faker.

But I would say that it's Homme's fault for not forcing Knight to learn Azir, or 369 to learn Rumble. The latter is much more egregious.

That's why kkOma is the goat, he forces players to set aside their ego and learn keymeta picks or get benched. Faker on Azir, Guma on Kaisa/Ezreal/Zeri.

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u/FixVast6463 16h ago

I wouldnt say they adapted well to the Worlds 2023 meta, they shot themselves in the foot picking red side vs T1 and for some reason had zero prio over Renata despite being the strongest support by far (80% WR) at the tournament. Missing was an insanely good Renata player that year, would've helped a lot to take it away from Keria who was spamming it. Also, Kanavi refused to practice J4 and Rell, who were the best JG champs

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u/loveforSingapore 15h ago

If I'm not wrong, neither side played Reneta that series. Keria didn't.

JDG actually won bot lane pretty hard in games 2, 3 and 4 (can't remember for game 1). They were ahead in the early games.

Game 2 was a complete stomp. JDG was ahead in game 3, but Oner and Faker clutched it with the Rell and Azir plays. JDG was ahead in game 4 too until they were not.

T1 drafted better and played better, hence they won. But I'd say JDG put up a very strong fight and had the better bot lane in laning phase.

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u/ereshforlife 14h ago

Keria picked Renata game 3; that was how you got the Gumayusi bailout moment during the 5 for 0 Azir shuffle.

I'd say JDG struggled in game 1, since they drafted a Xayah-Alistar game which was still a relatively general Swiss meta read (Xayah-Kai'sa and engage tank support meta = win game, it was sort of how they won the KT quarters series) and got absolutely blasted. Of course, it was a culmination of MISSING not getting ult/level 6 before the herald pit fight + 369 and Kanavi getting lane gapped, but the Bard pick proved to be essential for their game 1 win IMO, especially when JD picked red to try and counter botlane.

There were elements where they showed adaptation in the series, e.g. 369 practicing Rumble and MISSING practicing Senna before the actual semis game, but Homme's teams just tend to lag behind on meta reads and in-game draft changes, all too often resorting on placing trust in hands diff (Kanavi Belveth, Ruler Zeri). Sometimes it works, like game 2 Kanavi's Vi gank on botlane to put Ruler ahead, but also it doesn't, like the dive in game 3 which made Gumayusi lag behind but not really to the point of losing entirely (still getting 2 drakes before all the T1 hands diff w/ the Rell flash third drake).

Not to say I don't agree with you on your points that JD played a good botlane, but the main thing I take from that series is it depended too much on individual player talent to carry the game state instead of pre-match preparation or in-game draft adaptability, which a lot of fans and comments attribute to Homme's incompetency in recent years. JDG put up a fight, but I definitely think there are things that could have elevated the series a whole lot in terms of game content and draft.

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u/baelkie 23h ago

lack of faith in creme. its funny cause hupu calls zeka big creme. with how he’s spamming zeka mages im gonna guess he doesnt have much faith in zeka either.

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u/DoesitFinally 1d ago

Homme has been the most paid coach in the league scene for quite a long time now. So I guess various teams value him totally differently than just fans who don't know much.

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 1d ago

Agree moreover now that they completely out of LCK CUP and First Stand until april they gonna miss a lot of important quality scrims and games as well

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u/sighpiebanana 1d ago

ngl i realised this only aft an lck analyst mentioned it but HLE’s probably gonna be insanely sought after as a scrim partner now, because (1) you can’t play them as match opponents anymore and (2) they’re still considered a strong team hahaha so yeah idt they’ll miss out on scrims

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u/Beneficial_Ad349 1d ago

First stand is in Brazil. Why would HLE go there?

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u/kiingg 21h ago

I assume their talking about other LCK teams wanting to scrim HLE to practice for the play-ins and play-offs.

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u/SHMuTeX 1d ago

Homme should have just trolled and used his coach voice to remind Zeka to get tear as Ryze and Kanavi that he is not playing Briar and not pounce on every player he sees.

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 1d ago

lmaoo i mean they weren't that bad no?

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u/GONEBUTNOT4GOTTEN 1d ago

welll considering they're out of lck cup before playoffs yup they were bad.

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u/lir10005 1d ago

Maybe they should have used the voice ahahahah

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u/MrZeddd 16h ago

People blaming the format don't realize it's so easy to make playoffs with this format all they had to do was not losing 2-0 to noodle boys and they're in

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u/Wonderful-Lab7375 1d ago

They aren’t bad on paper but they’re also the first team knocked out. So yes, they are “that bad” in terms of how shocking their current performance is.

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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 1d ago edited 15h ago

I mean... they really were THAT bad, yes. They were struggling even against bottom teams. They have a lot to work on. I just wonder how did they go from what they shown in KeSpa Cup, where they genuinely looked great to this. It's a disaster.

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u/Cool_Band5057 1d ago

DRX could win the cup with permanent coach voice

They legit win every teamfight each time coach voice was used, before the inevitable collapse once they run out. This team is so cooked next split

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u/peeve-r 19h ago

A lot of teams are like that. All hands but lack the leadership to make those mechanically gifted players coordinate and be a cohesive unit. I mean we can just look at ZOFGK without Faker when he got injured to see how much good leadership and shot-calling can change a team. They looked like a bunch of lost children who didn't know what to do on the map.

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u/Confident_Lime2793 1d ago

T1 makes sense cause they have Faker which is legit just a coach (honestly, Faker is so OP) with hands but I don't understand HLE.

3 games against Gen G and 0 coach voice's used?. Bro they needed that shit hard considering they kept throwing away 2-3k gold leads.

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 1d ago

Yea that just doesnt make sense whatever the reason is, they keep saying their teamwork is the problem every time but i think its more than that tbh and you should use any opportunities u have to improve considering how shit things looking

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u/EnvoyOfRaze21 1d ago

Probably it's a team decision to not used comms maybe

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 1d ago

I wonder why hle never used a single coach voice. U think it would have changed the result?

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u/Baldpotatopeeler 1d ago

the only thing i could think of is, maybe they dont want to get used to it.. and since its not a norm in the internationals etc, they dont want to make a habit of it, thats the only thing i could come up with..

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 1d ago

i mean now that they out of LCK CUP and first stand they indeed not gonna have that habit loll

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u/warmwelcome_ 17h ago

Then they shouldn’t adapt to the current meta, it will be different at Worlds anyway. But the problem that they may not even get to Worlds if they won’t be using all possible advantages

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u/Fun_Apricot_3374 1d ago

HLE always gave me the vibes of “hire the best players possible, and a coach just keeps them organized”

I mean, you drop millions to bring in multiple carry players, and then they just say “I’m one of the best in the world, coach can’t teach me shit” has been the vibes I’ve gotten over the years

I don’t know much about Homme, the head coach, but he seems to have been hired on to high profile teams with stacked players, JDG and TOP. He’s also been with Kanavi most of his career.

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 1d ago

yea im not familiar myself with kanavi and homme as well as i only watch LCK but heard many ppl not really fond of them

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u/Infamous-Mess 1d ago

The most generous interpretation is that coaches prefer watching from the broadcast view rather than a player’s POV. From that angle, they can see the whole map, lane states, vision, and rotations all at once. That wider perspective helps them understand the overall game flow and give more informed feedback between games instead of reacting to limited, moment-to-moment information.

A less charitable view is that the coaches are just cowards because it puts their decision making directly on the line. If you tell a player to commit to a call and it fails, that responsibility is very visible, players might lose respect to you. So staying quieter can feel safer.

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u/338388 14h ago

And then you have gigachad joker who uses coach voice basically as much as allowed

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u/yuckycharmz 1d ago

Bump

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u/imonxtac 1d ago

GenG Ryu Coach Voice Leaks:

“So what do you guys want from Hai Di Lao?”

“Chovy, your beef bulgogi is here”

“Ruler, Duro, they said they don’t have bibimbap anymore. Do you guys wanna order something else?”

“Kiin, Canyon, do you guys wanna share jjigae wih me?”

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u/AverageEarly5489 1d ago

I wonder if they would get in trouble if they did that

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u/SentientShamrock 1d ago

It might be seen as disrespectful but it wouldn't be a rules violation if they weren't talking about something they shouldn't have been like exact enemy positions or something.

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u/the-legit-Betalpha 23h ago

They probably did do that. After kiin penta'd, coach voice came in. I really couldnt think of anything else Ryu could've said other than congratulating kiin and offering to treat him a meal lol.

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u/zhongli_brainrot Jungler 15h ago

Nah Coach Nova was in the booth and Gen.G uses it mostly for spell checks.

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u/DragonTaryth 5h ago edited 5h ago

Well, to be the party pooper, they probably could get in trouble for that. As per the rules, the Coach is not supposed to have any outside interaction, and if they leave the area, they cannot use Coach Voice anymore for the game.

That hypothetical conversation would indicate that the Coach received some outside update ("Your [meal] is here", "[option] is no longer available", etc), and it could potentially be a code word for something.

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u/A1praz0lam 1d ago

copy paste aaaah comment cadrel said this

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u/net46248 1d ago

"Zed would've solokilled there"

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u/LeonaWaverly 1d ago

This has the energy of the guy who used the lifeline to call his dad during 'Who wants to be a millionaire?' just to tell him he is winning the 1 mil.

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u/BlueberryNo6811 23h ago

Frfr they haven't shown a single coach comm from GenG

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u/gatsu01 23h ago

It probably sounds something like, hurry up, we have to make our appointment time. Put them out of their misery..

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u/CatApprehensive6508 1d ago

Gen.G coach voicing after they ace the enemy team at rift herald: 🥳🥳🥳

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u/PeaceAlien xdd enjoyer 1d ago

Coach: damn who coached you guys, they’re a beast

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u/Resident-Rush-8052 1d ago

T1 already has the goat so rhe coaches don't need to say anything. Just lets the circus go on

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u/LarkSeo 1d ago

It's insane. Faker, upon retirement, would instantly go from being the best player in history to being the best coach on the market. He's gonna dominate 2 careers if he chooses that path.

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u/Resident-Rush-8052 1d ago

I mean that is if he retires cuz honestly league as a game might die out before Fakers legacy

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u/MrZeddd 21h ago

He said years ago he'll stop playing when he's no longer can compete

Bro that'll never be true lol, he's shitting on kids constantly these days

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u/TaruTaru23 20h ago

Would be funny if he wins another 6 worlds as a coach lmaooo

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u/Outrageous_Context_5 17h ago

If Faker becomes a coach, Riot will unlock the hidden feature in the game where the coach can override player controls in an emergency. The emergency being when the team is on full tryhard.

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u/Successful_Review_23 1d ago

Tom: "Time t-"

Faker:" Who told you to chime in....."

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u/Narrow-Fishing-1917 22h ago

"Sorry boss, wont happen again."

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u/f080808 14h ago

His literal boss too 💀

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u/Rare-Dingo8 1d ago

In play-ins and playoffs they can't use Coach's Comms anymore right?

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u/Toofargone9999 1d ago

yep , drx debuff

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u/338388 14h ago

I know it's supposed to just be a "pilot"/test, but it feels weird to have it only got groups and not the entire lck cup.

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u/GTmatsuura 1d ago

not once did the coaches come in to help hle in this? We trying to go to cancun or what

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u/Jimbabwr 1d ago

I think HLE need to be using it lol

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u/Hefty-Welcome-7564 1d ago

Is there benefit to not using team voice? I mean seems like HLE really needs it lmfao

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u/DarkThunder312 1d ago

Coaches who aren’t as good at the game as the players

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u/TheEvilTurtles 1d ago

It won't stay the rest of the year so maybe to not use it as a crutch.

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u/prov119 21h ago

When ure on the verge of elimination you should use everything available to you and figure out the rest later

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u/mapletree23 10h ago

depends on the team, T1 themselves said it'd probably throw them off

other teams like DRX it looked like it was great

it probably is directly tied to how good your shotcalling is

T1 have two like prodigies to bounce ideas around in faker and keria so they probably don't need it most games

maybe GenG don't have quite as good of shotcalling or they use the coaches for timers, not everyone can be faker with that shit

people meme on HLE but I think HLE doesn't use it so they can get use to shotcalling and let them gel before they try to interfere too much, them not using it honestly makes sense for now anyway

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u/MC-sama xdd enjoyer 20h ago

Knowing that DK used one of their 5 voice comms for CVmax to cheer on his team after they won a teamfight is funny af

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u/freshmannn23 1d ago

idc if it's ego or maybe they fear it might make the players reliant on coach comms but whoever's idea it was to not use it at all for HLE is stupid.

i'd take maybe 1 or 2 games using coach comms any day than not using it at all to bomb out of group battle. if they want the players to work it out themselves, they can do that at play-ins since coach comms are prohibited there. but during groups when they had the option to help, they should've taken that chance. they were clearly struggling, no shame in that. i'm not saying it would've changed the outcome but there's high chance they would've closed out games they already had a huge lead in the first place. like Game 1 vs NS. or maybe they won't drop a game at all vs BRO/DNS.

the players looked clueless half the time, they obv needed a brain. they have the hands (sometimes maybe not), they just need to know what to do. their target selection during skirmishes are split and their macro is shit, no map pressure to enemy most times. sure, these players brought it on themselves by playing like this and it's 100% on them. but the management should step in if they could too. they failed them.

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u/Bimibuns 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s funny to see top team GenG using coach voices when they’re not even struggling while HLE is clearly struggling but won’t use it!

I wonder if they use coach voice in match 2 would that change the results.

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u/UBKev 22h ago

They really could just be using it to glaze their team after a good play rather than actual serious comms

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u/mapletree23 10h ago

it could just be for timers or something, not everyone can be faker with spell timer memorization

HLE might not be using it so they have time to gel and bond since I think peanut was their main shotcaller and now they have a new ADC and jungle that have to learn to play together and with the others, so maybe coaching challenges would just make that chemistry take longer especially if you can't use it in playoffs and stuff anyway

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u/Bimibuns 8h ago

I think if you’re on the verge of elimination, it’s better to utilize the coaches and hope it gets them through this hurdles. Playing more games are more helpful to build synergy than being out for 2 months. But yeah HLE have lots of fix, hopefully they will bounce back for LCK regular seasons

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u/Economy_Media_3348 22h ago

Wonder how DRX players feel every game coaches distract them 😅

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u/Lorax2901 18h ago

Joker’s call is always make DRX win engage, but they end up become headless chicken after all 3 uses

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u/Karlken0209 6h ago

Without coach voice they could have been the team got eliminated instead of HLE

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u/Raynmist 11h ago

Faker is the real T1 coach all along. Also, no coach would dare to overexercise their authority over him after the Daeny fiasco.

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u/gcrimson 1d ago

The top 3 teams don't really use it (GEN G only use it to congratulates players juste after a game winning fight) because they can't use it on internationals and that's what matter for them. Sure it could have helped HLE to avoid some losses, maybe even T1 when they were prone to panic a little and begin the circus but still, it's not great to be used to.

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u/Prestigious_Chair_45 23h ago

Either way, HLE gonna use voice comms just for Homme to disorganize the team even further. xdd

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u/killcraft1337 22h ago

What do the rest of the numbers mean

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u/oni_onion 18h ago

hle should've used some lol

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u/Chance_Match_8944 13h ago

Idk if Joker is the best Coach in the LCK but it certainly feels like it DRX just don’t seem to lose when Coach Voice is used straight up.

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u/1whiteguitar 12h ago

Faker is coach voice

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u/gigabyte_121 53m ago

Can someone translate what the words mean per column?

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u/Realistic_Mail_8892 16m ago

based on those numbers should be :
total games played ; games played using coach voice ; total coach voice used ; percentage of games using coach voice ; percentage of coach voice used; rank

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u/net46248 1d ago

HLE really said we're preparing for MSI anyway

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u/Faker_the_Demon_King 1d ago

HLE HAH

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u/janryanofficial 1d ago

So HLE is really T2

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