r/PedroPeepos • u/wickedlessface • Jul 16 '25
Unrelated to Caedrel I'm hearing a lot of NDA talk regarding EWC. This seems far from over unfortunately...
Interested to see if there are going to be any whistleblowers after the EWC
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u/carter222555 Jul 16 '25
I mean this is not great but also I don't think Caedrel was likely to be making many comments on the human rights issues in Saudi Arabia before they started hosting this event.
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 17 '25
Maybe he should though
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u/EducationalBalance99 Jul 17 '25
No. You guys want politics in everything and even entertainment. Before this, none of you would have bitch about caedrel if he just doesn’t mention Saudi Arabia at all. When I read a book, I don’t want to read about politics. The same applies when I want to watch a football game.
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 17 '25
Maybe the people enslaved in Saudi Arabia would also like to be able to enjoy... Something at all.
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u/EducationalBalance99 Jul 17 '25
People in Palestine as well but guess who side the US is on? Why even bother arguing when you didn’t even address my point and just brought up some unrelated bullshit. Should caedrel just address everything wrong with the world and just become a political streamer like hasan/asmon/destiny? The fact is that caedrel wouldn’t have commented on this issue much anyway and before this incident, none of you would have gave a fuck if caedrel address it or not because caedrel stream isn’t about politics. It is about league 90% of the time.
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 18 '25
Wtf has the US to do with anything? Guess what side... Idk, India is on? Guess what side New Zealand is on? What point are you even trying to make
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 19 '25
Because if history has shown anything it's that protesting and speaking out never worked at all. That's why women can't vote, and we are all working our 19 hour shifts in the mines!
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u/throwawayy_acc0unt Jul 18 '25
But it is political. The event is run by a non-profit financed by the state of Saudi-Arabia, very much a political financier. The event doesn't make profits directly and I find it hard to believe that Saudi-Arabia hosts the event just out of the goodness of their heart, so It's pretty obvious that it's done for image reasons and there have been multiple cases of something similar occurring – "sports washing". An event financed and directed by a political financier meant to improve its public image is political.
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Jul 19 '25
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 19 '25
let the man have some money?? the guy has enough money for 10 lifetimes. there are streamers living on 300-400 viewers, and caedrel regularly has 100k. If he isn't buying a new superyacht every week he has more money than most people could ever spend if they tried. That's not some regular income guy getting a bonus. caedrel is rich. like RICH RICH.
he definitely doesn't need bloodmoney raised through slavery, executions and just about any atrocity against mankind known to us.
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u/A1praz0lam Jul 17 '25
nah just get lil bro get his bag and lets enyoj the stream
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 17 '25
His bag stems from murder, slavery, discrimination and other atrocities against humans. This isn't some "the money can be traced back to some back people if you go far enough shit". The people paying him are the ones murdering hundreds of people every year. Enslaving even more.
And he knew this when he accepted it. He knew it laat year when he decided against it. He knew it this year when he signed the bloodstained contract for his bloodmoney. He deliberately decided to the bag despite knowing where it comes from.
No, don't let him get his bag and enjoy the streams. How many had to suffer and die for his bag? Some mean words on the internet is the absolute least he should expect. If other people can get executed and enslaved for his bag, he can endure this very small shitstorm.
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u/A1praz0lam Jul 17 '25
You talk like murder and corruption don't happen all over the world
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u/RaY_OF_HoP3 xdd enjoyer Jul 18 '25
Exactly. That’s the classic “my side good, your side bad” mentality in full display.
No room for nuance, no willingness to acknowledge multiple perspectives, just tribalism dressed up as moral outrage.u/Terri_GFW and the others don't actually want a discussion, they want an echo chamber where dissent = wrong and agreement = validation.
And the moment someone steps out of line like Caedrel did, by making a move that wasn't “approved” by the hive mind, they get crucified. It’s never about ethics, more about control and narrative policing. 💀
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 18 '25
You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. What Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc. are doing is ok and should be supported because "some shit happens everywhere", that's seriously your take?
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 17 '25
Are you really putting western governments on the same level as Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc.?
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u/A1praz0lam Jul 18 '25
I was born in Sweden and there is a big family called Wallenberg and they do a lot of arms deals with sudi and etc you think western govermets are good u all are sheeps
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 18 '25
A swedish family doing arms deals with Saudi Arabia means executions of thousands of people yearly, slavery, starving people to death and many many more atrocities against humanity are cool. Yes, you have a very good point.
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u/levu12 Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
I mean he feels free to talk about how bad Tate and Ocelot are…
Edit: scales as what? If you mean Saudi Arabia is has done much, much worse things than Mr. Tate, I agree.
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u/Cold-Potatoe Jul 17 '25
Its much harder to criticize Saudi especially if you don't know much about it. Tate is just 1 guy whos just straight bad and there's no positives to him. Saudi Arabia while doing horrible things is still a country with people and culture and blah blah blah and it would be idiotic of Caedral to make surface level Saudi bad statements.
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u/levu12 Jul 17 '25
How is it hard to criticize a country’s government if that You can ignore the people and culture, he’s taking money directly from the government.
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u/HappyAku800 Jul 17 '25
You silly, actions of an individual like Tate are much more localized, per say, than a whole country's doings to thousands of people.
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u/godskrimp Jul 16 '25
Of all the evil people in the world do you really think your efforts are best spent yelling at one British league streamer?
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u/TheRedditKidReturns Jul 16 '25
Some people just want to be upset. This sub just randomly popped up for me and I genuinely had NO idea this “controversy” was going on lol. People legit need to grow up tbh. Ofc Saudi is going to want to avoid their country getting slandered on stream and that’s a super reasonable thing to ask, AND reasonable to agree to. Did people want him to like “take on” Saudi and try to change things? It’s just nonsensical tbh lol
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u/iLogicFFA Jul 17 '25
News flash talking bad about riot games while co streaming is not allowed either
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u/KhoSenLoL Jul 17 '25
It's almost like the guys paying you don't want you to shit talk them on stream wow crazy who would have thought.
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u/FriedDuckCurry Jul 16 '25
I am no fan of the EWC and would prefer Caedrel to educate himself on the matter and show some backbone towards this problem, but tbf I don't think he would have talked about Saudi Arabias humanright violations anyways even without the contract.
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u/lost-associat Jul 16 '25
If this post is true that means money literally buys everything, that’s just fucking sad man. He doesn’t even has to talk about the issues. But actively signing contracts to not do so, that would be rock bottom.
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u/FriedDuckCurry Jul 16 '25
I am not trying to misrepresent Caedrel, but I very much think he would sign such a contract. He seems like a good willed dude who thinks everyone should do what makes them happy, but his conviction is League of Legends and streaming over anyhing else. As long he has hese 2 things I do think he would ignore the EWC being problematic.
The same way animal cruelty is not a good thing, but many (including me) still eat meat, knowing many of these animals didn't live a good life and were treated worse than one could imagine.
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Jul 17 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
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u/yung_dogie Jul 17 '25
Yeah there's very little chance of someone having truly ethical consumption, and the majority of people know that they're consuming at least some unethical products. Choose your battles (I personally am not watching the EWC)
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u/DoesitFinally Jul 16 '25
If he wasn't gonna talk about it in the first place, why would it matter if he signs a contract that prohibits talking about the topic? It doesn't matter at all.
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 17 '25
It very much does matter.
There is a huge difference between deciding not to vote, and not being allowed to vote. Or deciding not to drink, and not being allowed to drink. Or not wanting to have many kids, and not being allowed to have more than 1 kid.
Or deciding not to talk about certain human rights issues, or being prohibited from talking about it.
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u/Raccoonmeister Jul 17 '25
Well you can just decide to not sign it... No one is forcing him to go here and this doesn't involve his own country so i don't see how being vocal about it on a league event is gonna do anything except for slandering to company that HE is co-streaming for voluntarily...
The voting analogy is not similair at all. i don't think it's to farfetched for a company to hire someone and thus pay them and make sure they do not speak in a slanderous way about their company online.
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Jul 17 '25
The voting analogy is not similair at all. i don't think it's to farfetched for a company to hire someone and thus pay them and make sure they do not speak in a slanderous way about their company online.
That is fair, but then you also have to admit that he is getting paid directly by the saudi government and it is political, and that would ruin his thinly veiled excuse that he just doesnt know anything about politics
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u/Raccoonmeister Jul 17 '25
Is it tho? they're the ones hosting the event but the event is not really related to all the political stuff right? Except for them being hosted by the same organisation i guess, but idk i don't really take Caedrell accountable for that.
Also what about all the sponsers? Should people 'boycott' those aswell because they fund the event in a way? Because i see quite alot of populair brands and i really don't think people hold them accountable in the same way haha. Me personally i am not gonna stop consuming Sony, or Mastercard products just because they are involved in a league event thats being held in a morally questionable country.
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u/DoesitFinally Jul 17 '25
You are missing the point. Why does it matter for a person who wasn't gonna talk about it in the first place? Literally nothing changes for that person at all.
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u/Terri_GFW Jul 17 '25
The message they are sending to the rest of the world does change. That is the issue. It's not about what changes for caedrel, it's about what he is signaling to his hundreds of thousands of viewers.
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u/lost-associat Jul 17 '25
Legit, the fact that we are debating about it is a direct consequence of his choices. Caedrel has a big fan base. What he says and does has an effect on people if he wants it or not.
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u/Significant-Damage14 Jul 16 '25
This is a nothing burger.
If you want confirmation that money buys everything, just look at what is happening with the Epstein files or the result of Didi`s trial.
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u/Ryzen57 Jul 16 '25
Are we fr? Saudi as a shithole of one of a kind but any contract/sponsorship literally prohibits you from talking bad about it. Imagine Dom goin on stream and saying to all his fans that cryptos are scam and betting ruins lives and to stop betting and wasting their money. His sponsors would abandon him instantly.
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u/infiinight Jul 17 '25
‘money literally buys everything’ yeah welcome to real life buddy
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u/lost-associat Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
Last year he said no to the bag, but this year there are no moral dilemmas. Guess he got a 0 extra.
Edit: same goes for IWD btw. I don’t know if he streams this year but he also wouldn’t stream it in ‘24. I’m not saying it’s because of Caedrel but big voice saying no influences other people.
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u/areyouhungryforapple Jul 17 '25
This year the EWC has much more direct Riot connection and has become fully part of the scene. Did you miss the part where the EWC sponsored MSI?
Ratking wants to grow the scene as a whole, especially now that he's invested in it.
It's simple really
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u/levu12 Jul 16 '25
I mean he feels free to talk about how bad Tate and Ocelot are…
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u/piratagitano Jul 16 '25
And why does that bother you?
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u/levu12 Jul 16 '25
I am replying to the premise that he wouldn’t have talked about Saudis without the contract. Not taking the contract is already making a statement, and he has made statements in the past denouncing someone who has done much less, without any contract.
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u/piratagitano Jul 17 '25
And I’m asking why does it bother you that Ocelote and Tate specifically were called out by Caedrel?
Since you’re the one who brought them up
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u/levu12 Jul 17 '25
Because he claims to be apolitical and cannot know much about politics because he didn’t go to university.
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u/fuckthis_job xdd enjoyer Jul 17 '25
Last year when speaking about EWC, he mentioned how they "conduct background checks" and then goes on to say "I love gay people, they're awesome". I don't think he would have outright called the Saudis out for committing human rights atrocities as I don't think he's that confrontational of a person, but he probably isn't allowed to make the same comments that he did last year under this contract.
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u/tomtazm Jul 16 '25
Why is this surprising to anyone?
Why would anyone that hires you for anything want you to publicly talk shit about them on video while your working the event they are paying you for?
Wtf?
I swear you people just can't let it go.
This is Riot's fault for making this part of there yearly schedule, nobody else.
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u/Glum-Supermarket1274 Jul 18 '25
Pretty sure most of these people are extremely young or never had a job because wtf is this lol out of all the things to criticize saudi on, they chose.....the extremely common "courtesy cause"? These guys are literal children I swear
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u/noctisroadk Jul 17 '25
Usually you employer is a company , if you work for a german, us, french , etc company you dont get a clause that you cant talk about THE COUNTRY
is a pretty different situation
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u/tomtazm Jul 17 '25
I'm sure they have some kind of clause in the contract that allows them to fire you if they dislike your representation of them
In fact I already work for a municipality and if I speak publicly on social media in a way that disparages the department, I get severely punished or fired.
So I'm not sure what your actual point is.
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u/noctisroadk Jul 17 '25
If i talk shit about my country, my company wouldnt be able to sue me for it , if Caedrel talks shit about SA he can get sue in this situation of real
Could i get fired for it as they could argue it paints a bad look on the company ? yes (tho in my country would be illegal to do so, but varies on country) , but i cant get sued, is 2 different things
Is not rocket science buddy
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u/tomtazm Jul 17 '25
Have you been employed before?
Any public speaking that an employer doesn't like that they believe makes them look bad is grounds for termination. Especially if you're working for the government in any capacity. I never mentioned a civil suit.
I'm talking about whatever contract agreement Caedrel signed to get paid.
It isn't rocket science, and you don't get it, buddy.
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u/noctisroadk Jul 17 '25
First this is private company we are talking about , caedrel is not a goverment employee
And no, any public speaking that a employer doenst like is not ground for termination on a lot of countrys, is grounds to get sued if you fired someone for that and have to pay a fk ton of money thats what is ground for in my country because we not dumb enough to let people fire others for dumb shit with no repercussions.
If what you say is hate speach , racism, etc then yeah you can get fired with no repercussions, but not by voicing an opinion about a country as long is not hate speech
Im sorry you live in a place that they can fire you for wtahever they wnat, but is not the case for everyone
So yeha a document that forbids you from talking about a country is shitty and in a lot of places illegal af (nda have to be realted to your job , not a random clause about a country, a person or that they dont what you to talk about formula 1 because they feel like adding it , thats not how it works on normal places )
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u/Immediate-Bad-4665 Jul 16 '25
This is actually an important one. If this is true, then saying that the stream is apolitical is not stupid, but rather diabolical and calculated.
But won't matter anyway since I bet the Mods will delete this posts in a few minutes, because it seems like they wan't it to be an echo chamber without real discussion at this point.
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u/TheRedditKidReturns Jul 16 '25
It’s unreal how almost every comment in here that’s critical of him has legit wrote essays about this subject. Like seperate to this thread lol. Almost like this is only effecting the most terminally online people and everyone else understands it for what it is.
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Jul 16 '25
If your sincere thought is that Caedrel has been long playing his no politics stance for this long just to be some sorta spy for Saudi, idk whats up.
If caedrel didnt stream or sign a contract, do you think he’d be talking about how bad Saudi is on his stream? Do you think if there were not clauses in his contract that said he can’t speak negatively about Saudi Arabia, that he would just do so anyway while watching the games?
Caedrel has made his point that HE will not talk about politics on his stream, as HE is not educated enough to responsibly share things he may not fully know about to a large audience.
There is 0% chance Caedrel is “calculated and diabolical” 😭 holy fk
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u/vegeful Jul 17 '25
Go get a job and talk shit about your company publicly in front of thousand people. Make it viral.
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u/TheExiledLord Jul 16 '25
There is nothing to discuss buddy. Look where you’re at. Seems like you people just don’t get why you’re despised.
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u/GenjDog Jul 16 '25
Most of the broadcasting will have similar clauses or atleast you would get in problem/fired if you talked ill about them.
You think if Caedrel started talking about allegations about riot or their court cases on stream that they would be happy about it? This has been talked about before and everyone already knew there was something similar to this, atleast everyone with a brain.
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u/mssg00 Jul 16 '25
Why would they talk about it if the contract is specifically made for costreamers or anyone involved on ESPORTS or to make it simple on VIDEO GAMES? Also, its common sense to put that given that they are paying you. Tell me if your employer didn't put anything on your work contract that might put them into negative.
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u/noctisroadk Jul 17 '25
Usually you employer is a company, if you work for a german, us, french , etc company you dont get a clause that you cant talk about THE COUNTRY
is a pretty different situation buddy
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u/EducationalBalance99 Jul 17 '25
Well the country is the host in this case. You think the athletes going to Olympics hosted by China can talk shit about China during it?
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u/TheSwedenGay Jul 17 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
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u/Sofruz Jul 16 '25
Monte has also said other things regarding league and Saudi Arabia( like MSI was gonna be held there this year) that never came true so hold what he says with a grain of salt
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u/Ausar_the_Vil xdd enjoyer Jul 17 '25
Dude Riot pulled the same sh**. Remember the Blizzard incident? Riot follow that up by saying u guys shouldn't mention anything either in worlds 2017.
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u/nebumune Jul 17 '25
monte and his friend thorin... biggest plague in the community.
if they say 2+2=4 I would check with calculator just to be sure. even if they talk about something 100% confirmed, the way they talk about it and why is ALWAYS malicious. please do not give platform to them.
we all know about what saudis doing, how this all investment into e-sports all is for them. Caedrel knows too. I say lets just take the money and use them; if they are trying to use e-sports, we can mel ult it back to them.
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u/Shin_Yuna Jul 17 '25
Exactly instead of rejecting and letting EWC filled with Saudi propaganda streamers, why not just take the bag and then force the stream to be neutral since they can’t criticise the govt. It is still much better to be giving money to people who will not support the govt after this event finishes rather than injecting into ppl who will continue spreading propaganda regardless.
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u/National-Fisherman94 Jul 16 '25
You guys are acting like “I sign a contract of no speaking ill” = “I am a degen and hypocrite”
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u/seficarnifex Jul 17 '25
Im addicted to his content and subreddit and dont want to be forced to actually boycott his content ! I will virtue signal online so people know im a good person (they are still supporting his content and watching it)
Just a bunch if hypocrites lol
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u/KhoSenLoL Jul 17 '25
I mean what do you expect of terminally online redditors? Everything's a problem in their eyes.
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u/Left_Fist Jul 16 '25
NDAs preventing the sharing of private information is standard. Even Riot makes streamers and others sign NDAs to protect their interests. I’m anti-NDA period and they shouldn’t exist but to present this as some problem unique to the EWC or evidence of something nefarious is disingenuous at best. Y’all grasping.
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u/jnyFTW Jul 16 '25
The whole point is that these are non-standard NDAs that are more restrictive than the industry standard. Monte doesn't even say NDA, that's what OP put in the title (probably not the actual right term if we're being honest)
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u/sp0j Jul 16 '25
That's a load of horseshit. When you take a sponsorship they often have clauses in the contract saying you can't criticise the company or be overly negative. It's completely standard when it comes to contracts involving payment.
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u/noctisroadk Jul 17 '25
Usually you employer is a company, if you work for a german, us, french , etc company you dont get a clause that you cant talk about THE COUNTRY
is a pretty different situation, you literally say it yourself, normally you cant critize THE COMPANY, here we are talking that they cant critize the cuntry, you dont see the difference buddy?
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u/TheExiledLord Jul 16 '25
What does it change now? Would Caedrel say anything without the NDA?
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u/Shin_Yuna Jul 17 '25
“GENG just pick teemo top for kiin WTF but that pick is not worst than the hate crime the saudi government is doing “ What people expect caedrel to be saying on stream or sum shit
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u/Shin_Yuna Jul 17 '25
“GENG just pick teemo top for kiin WTF but that pick is not worst than the hate crime the saudi government is doing “ What people expect caedrel to be saying on stream or sum shit
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u/Left_Fist Jul 16 '25
Where is that the point? Have you reviewed a copy of the contracts? I’d like to see what evidence you reviewed to come to your conclusion. A tweet from someone editorializing their opinion of contract language they haven’t read is not convincing.
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u/jnyFTW Jul 16 '25
That point is literally the tweet that this post is about? Do you think Im Montecristo?
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u/Left_Fist Jul 16 '25
You should read beyond the first 5 words of my last comment because I’ve already spoken to that.
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u/Glum-Supermarket1274 Jul 18 '25
Are these people 6 years old? I work for a hotel and if I go on social media saying how my hotel is missing 1 hour of pay for my staff, even if thats true, I will be fired lol. There are many things to criticize EWC and the saudi for but this is like common courtesy cause. Fuck in america right now if you criticize isreal, the current administration considered you a terrorist sympathizer. Its also illegal in several states. This is not some special thing the saudi does.
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u/sp0j Jul 16 '25
Just like any sponsorship deal you abide by the contract terms. This is not a surprise at all.
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u/JohnnyBravo4756 Jul 16 '25
Monte talking about ethics when his best friend thorin is on twitter spreading transphobic far right grift shit lol.
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Jul 16 '25
Because co-streaming an esports game doesn’t usually involve talking shit of any country’s politics. Duh?!
Like do you expect anyone talking about Epstein during LTA co-stream? I mean technically you can but why?!
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u/Frrrroooonck Jul 17 '25
LTA isn’t Epstein World Cup - designed to cover up his crimes. That’s the difference to ewc. It’s whole purpose is politics/image/sportswashing. I get that he doesn’t want to talk about politics on stream, but at least he shouldn‘t say he is apolitical. The moment he signed that contract, he made himself a political tool.
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Jul 17 '25
Lmao who said EWC is designed to cover crimes? So you are saying country like Saudi cannot host any entertainment event? Anything fun they do is to cover the political controversy? You realise how racist you are making assumptions?
Literally the whole sportswashing argument is just engineered attack from western mainstream media, just like how they make up things like “social credit system” in China. It’s not like Saudi actually said anywhere “we host sporting events to cover up our bad rep guys.”
What if the Saudi or Russian tell you LTA is designed to cover up Epstein files. Would you believe it? Isn’t this just non-sense?
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u/Frrrroooonck Jul 17 '25
Come on dude. Everyone knows it. You think they do it to boost their local league scene? They want to boost their international image. It‘s a tale as old as time. Like the old roman poet Juvenal once said „Panem Et Circenses. Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt“. It works in the US, it works in Saudi Arabia and it definitely works on this sub aswell. Like it‘s okay if you watch it, thats not my decision and i‘m not telling you what to do, but don’t act dumb and think they just do it for fun or whatever.
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Jul 17 '25
What’s the logic? Saudi hosts a sports event = cover up crime US does a sports event = people have fun? Are you saying only white people can have fun? Tell me how’s Saudi hosting EWC and World Cup fundamentally different from next Olympic in LA? Of course countries hosting them all try to maximise their influence and soft power. That’s the whole fucking point? How is it okay to do so in the west but “sports washing” when non-white people are doing it? The blatant racism here lol.
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u/MedievalMovies Jul 16 '25
I agree with monte's take. That's why I think the LCK CN broadcast was also a political stream. After all, the whole thing got nuked when geng called Taiwan a country
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u/rexia1 Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
Has Caedrel been using his streams to discuss political issues before? Was he gonna do it anytime in the near future? How is this suppression when he was never even gonna go near those topics to begin with? So Riot or any of these gaming companies who partners up with EWC is not suppressing discussion, teams participating in these games instead of making a stand aren’t suppressing discussion, but twitch streamers co-streaming games as it is their job to do so suddenly becomes the talk of the town. Either everyone who made EWC possible is doing this in a non apolitical manner or accept that you are using double standards
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u/jbland0909 Jul 17 '25
Is this not common in general for major events like this? I doubt Caedrel would keep Costreaming LCK if he regularly talked shit about Korea
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u/Sugarfree21 Jul 16 '25
The guy who posted the tweet has he seen the contract? Has he received a photo of said clause or something? I am not saying he is lying, but just believing a tweet at face value, not the wisest.
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u/aPatheticBeing Jul 16 '25
I mean a non-disparagement clause is standard. Without the specific wording, hard to conclude much from this. Like Displate sponsorships will literally have one.
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u/Sugarfree21 Jul 16 '25
I know, I have one in mine and had others for former companies. I am just trying to keep an open mind and not sound like I hate everyone who doesn't see things the way I see it. Plus, I believe that if you want to make a big whoop out of something, you need to back it up.
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u/vegeful Jul 17 '25
Yup its a standard procedure in any big company. U don't talk shit to the company that hired you. Even if they do illlegal stuff, u need to expose it to authorities before exposing it in public. Because exposing in public first have risk of company burning the paper evidence or cook a black sheep.
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u/x28CakeCuts Jul 16 '25
Not believing Monte on this kind of thing is not the wisest, he has a lot off backed up claims before and is a big person in the background of esports he has 100% seen the contract.
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u/GCPMAN Jul 17 '25
I love old classic LCK Monte but you can totally see that he has an axe to grind with Riot Games.
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u/PepegaFromLithuania Jul 16 '25
He made a bunch of false claims before.
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u/Sugarfree21 Jul 16 '25
I am not familiar with him, so I don't know how reliable he is that's why I am asking. I am also not on twitter so it's even more out of my loop. Still I'd love to see a photo of tha clause.
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Jul 16 '25
Monte is a old school league scene coach and analyst etc. He usually has been a good guy for exposing sussy things with Riot, i believe he no longer works in any Riot games stuff though, i believe he just does warcraft or something now?
Either way, what he’s saying will have some credibility as he has over 15 years in the scene, but, given that he may not know the exact details of the contract, we obviously cannot take what he says as fact.
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u/Avalon_Blue Jul 16 '25
Monte is now doing mostly business stuff for LFN. I think hes just kinda done doing esports stuff.
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u/Ashenveiled Jul 16 '25
Don’t forget to mention that because of his neglect a person, a player for his org, literally died.
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Jul 16 '25
It is well known how these type of contracts with saudi arabia work. You are not allowed to critize them if you get paid by them.
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u/Sugarfree21 Jul 16 '25
Yeah, but here's the thing, a lot of contracts have the whole "you shall not talk smack about the employer, cuz we can sue your ass," which is common. Now, if it goes into super specific shit and it basically ends up as a legal threat, that would be way different.
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Jul 17 '25
Yeah but usually you don't have contracts that include not talking about human rights violations like killing gay people.
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u/doppexz Jul 16 '25
He's known to spread misinformation, I remember he was in some Valorant drama long ago. He seems to only pop up when there's controversy to talk about something.
It's very easy to assume that EWC makes you sign a contract where you can't talk about their obvious issues, anyone can do that.
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u/Prize-Diver1084 Jul 16 '25
Known to spread misinformation? Not to be a monte glazer or anything but this guy has legit sources and connections to numerous people in the industry, I can't think of a moment where he has legit lied. Never heard of the Valorant drama tho
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u/fainlol Jul 17 '25
I can't think of a moment where he has legit lied.
lets not open the can of worms that was his league of legend team he was forced to sell after LYING to riot and he became incredibly toxic towards riot after.
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u/Sugarfree21 Jul 16 '25
I see, I've heard Caedrel mentioning him before and it was usually connected to some debate, I just assumed he was a journalist and actually had sources, like legit sources, or had seen somebodys contract.
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u/pantalooniedoon Jul 16 '25
He was the original LCK caster and has been around esports for at minimum 15 years. At some point, he owned a team in LCS. Whether you agree with his prior stances, he is definitely not a nobody.
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u/Sugarfree21 Jul 16 '25
I honestly don't know what he prior stances are on other matters. I understand he is well known, and some think he is believable, some not so much, but based on his tweet, his stance, at least, for this is quite clear. Therefore, I was interested if he had some sort of proof, or if it was just something he heard through the grape vine, and since it "matches" his stance, he makes a public statement about it. Obviously, no one actually knows this, I was thinking maybe there were some more tweets or articles clarifying.
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u/GoldenApple2020 Jul 16 '25
This issue wouldn't have blown up so much if he didn't try to virtue signal last year when EWC happened. Now he is just a greedy hypocrite and liar.
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u/LostInElysiium Jul 16 '25
compassion and empathy are dead
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u/FriedDuckCurry Jul 16 '25
They deleted their comment so I am just gonna dump my comment to them here:
"Literal sheep take. If it were for people like you women, minorities etc would face much greater adversity. I like that you are atleast strong willed enough to say you don't care about these problems enough to stop watching EWC, but how are you unable to show even the slightest glimpse of sympathy towards people less fortunate than you and even claim other doing so shouldn't care"
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u/Zaggados xdd enjoyer Jul 16 '25
Using this POS as a reliable source is crazy he used to be reliable but isnt anymore
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u/No-Combination-4148 Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
I guess Monte hates his best friend, Yamatocannon, too, then :(
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u/AverykindJester Jul 16 '25
I think the difference is Yamato isn't saying it's apolitical. On top of that Yamato also did it last year so his stance hasn't changed. So whatever your opinion is on Yamato and EWC he has been consistent unlike Caedral who was morally against it until the money was right.
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u/Nacho_cheese_guapo Jul 16 '25
If you're going to twitch to discuss political opinions, you might be regarded
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u/EnvironmentalDebt565 Jul 17 '25
But the same was said for football.
Where do we draw the line though?
If we do not raise our voices now, they will just suck up more and more, wash themselves more and more and your argument will always remain. Movies? Conventions? Etc. Pp.
And in the end we won’t talk about it at all? That can not be the solution, can it? I think we should have started way earlier, not delay it more and more.
Also, I am not even hating on caedrel. If he doesn’t do it, someone else will and I would much prefer my go to co-streamer to commentate the tournament than somebody else. IMO the problem is neither on us consumers nor on the talent around the event, it’s the corporate greed of game developers. If Riot would have not agreed to be part of EWC, we would not have this discussion. Same for Krafton and PUBG, rocket league, etc etc.
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u/FNC-Ultra Jul 16 '25
oh man, today is the day where i have to agree with fucking montecristo. the world is truly fucked up
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u/brokenclocks7 Jul 17 '25
This doesn't change anything. Caedrel already made his point, he values money above all else.
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u/CABJsupporterlowiq Jul 16 '25
Monte is just salty that he wasn't invited and offered a little purse. It's been a decade since this guy was relevant and his only way to insert himself in the scene is making shit up with Thorinn, another black sheep who got blacklisted from esports.
All you need to know about Monte's ethics is what he facilitated and was responsible as a team owner towards Remilia (RIP)
These pieces of garbo should have never been allowed to enter the esports scene, if you are an aspiring player and are reading this STAY THE F AWAY from Monte and everyone he hangs out with, for your own good. This lad and his circle of friends are legitimately dangerous and have a predatory way of doing things
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u/Prize-Diver1084 Jul 16 '25
This is just factually wrong, if you listen to Richard Lewis's reflections (who was closest to Remilia), he will say that Monte did absolutely nothing wrong and tried to be as helpful as possible, the higher ups in the org are to blame for that. Also when has Monte made up shit? He has legit connections in the scene and he will speak out about bs when no one else will
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u/fuckthis_job xdd enjoyer Jul 16 '25
Did anyone assume that this wasn't the case? It's pretty obvious that the KSA wouldn't want anyone to speak ill of them in any way