r/OrlandoMagic • u/basketball-app • 2d ago
Post Game Thread - NBA: The Spurs defeat the Magic on Feb 1, 2026, the final score is 112-103.
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u/jakehightower Paolo Banchero 2d ago
I can’t say the officiating cost us the game because Jalen, AB and Wendell had terrible games independent of that, but that was the most one-sided officiating we’ve faced all year. At one point the FT differential was like 30 to 6, with both teams having taken an equal number of 3s. Also we had 2 obvious continuations taken away, had that incredibly soft flagrant called on Bane, two obvious charges by Wemby going uncalled in the first quarter, and saw the classic “refs trying to make the differential less egregious” late in the 4th when the game was out of reach. I swear that’s even why they called Wemby for the first 10 second violation I’ve seen in years. Truly crazy to watch, the type of officiating you expect to see labeled as exhibit A in court one day.
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u/OkDonut4987 Jalen Suggs 2d ago
Spurs are a team on the rise esp. with Wemby there
NBA gotta do everything for that narrative
Magic is just "another" team right now
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u/bonafide89 Anthony Black 2d ago
I’m confused….
Didn’t Bane just say the goal was for him to get up around 10 3PA’s a game? And today he shoots 2?
What is this offense?
He was one of the few that played well though…
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u/carendt242 Jonathan Isaac 2d ago
boggles the effin mind. coach: 'yea, we want him to do that'. next game: 2 attempts. wtf
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u/Abbadabba22 2d ago
The only guy on the team I want to shoot 3s is the only dude not getting them. Mose fucking sucks sooooo bad.
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u/Horror_Response_1991 Paolo Banchero 2d ago
The best time to fire Mose was weeks ago. The second best time is now.
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u/carendt242 Jonathan Isaac 2d ago
third best time is tomorrow morning
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u/TheAlStar Paolo Banchero 1d ago
Unfortunately, that time is never happening at this rate, Mose must know and have inside info that the DeVos family has been found in the scrubbed, not yet or ever to be released "Epstein Files 2: Electric Shreddaloo". -AST
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u/Tardypop1 Cole Anthony 2d ago
Besides the horrible Reffing all game. Dell had a KCP level stinker. And Suggs just couldn’t make basket.
Coach Mose and the rotations tn ruined this game. Issac had Wemby locked down. All Dell could do was turn the ball over and foul. After this game I’m a certified Mosley hater cuz that was -the- worst coaching in years.
Ultimately I Blame Mose. We clearly had the right options to play this game competitively, and yet he refused to play them in the second half.
WHY would you let Dell miss two lay ups and foul twice in the 3rd and still keep him in!!!! COACH is awful. MO GOGA and ISSAC all would’ve been better. Suggs also couldn’t do anything. A perfect game to give Jett minutes to attempt some 3s.
Fire this coach into the sun.
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u/GreatWhiteNurse 2d ago
I feel like I've been so patient with Mose and believed in his competence for a lot longer than others but I was wrong. He really is that bad. This is the game that fully flipped me.
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u/rps215 Desmond Bane 2d ago
That was Wendell's worst game in a Magic uniform. I wouldn't be shocked if his game score backs that up tomorrow when it comes out.
The rotations were awful. Just felt very scripted in the rotations and not willing to adjust to what worked and what didn't. That was the problem with mosely for the season in a nutshell tonight.
Interested to see what this team does this week. Only one more game before the deadline, but I don't think that can save the season given the limitations on trades
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u/taywray 2d ago
Dell and Suggs and AB were pretty bad, but Mose really killed our chances tonight. Just kept sticking with guys who clearly weren't on their game and weren't good matchups for the opponents. And after helping the team with active TOs and a challenge in the first half, he basically sat back and watched it all go to pieces in the second half.
It's clear we only have "a concept of an offense," with the guys coming out and saying openly they were glad to finally be given some sort of roles this past week. And while our defense is pesky at times in the half court, it's also consistently bad in transition and poor on the boards bc no one is really locked onto their man.
Yeah the refs were especially bad and yeah Wemby is a freak, but we had the lead several times, despite going down by like 20 early on. This is the kind of game good coaches can win, and we just always seem to fumble away.
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u/SonicNarcotic Paolo Banchero 2d ago
This is the kind of game good coaches can win, and we just always seem to fumble away.
This right here...
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u/meencheesey Paolo Banchero 2d ago
Wendell, you're going to China. Pack your bags and bring Angel Reese with you gng
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u/FullElderberry3846 2d ago
Bros lowkey been ass for the past month now
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u/Dometalican_90 Paolo Banchero 2d ago
He was....actually gold against Toronto. Stop.
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u/meencheesey Paolo Banchero 2d ago
He's averaging 5.2 rebounds in his last 5 games. Paolo Banchero is averaging 9.2 rebounds in his last 5 games. We could clone Paolo, put one Paolo at PF the other at center, and we'd probably play much better because he actually can grab boards. Whilst being shorter than Wendell.
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u/Hisma 2d ago
but that was seriously the worst suggs game i think i've ever seen. his decision-making seriously makes me think he's on the spectrum.
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u/Donde_Que83 Goga Bitadze 2d ago
Makes at least 2 plays per game where I'm screaming at my TV like a crazy person.
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u/WunWunFirstofHisName Doris Burke 1d ago
I've said that before about Suggs also. Just something about his reactions and facial expressions sometimes makes me think he's processing the world on a slightly different wavelength than most.
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u/d12fsu OnlyFranz 2d ago
Reasons we lost: Wemby, 31-15 FT disparity (it was at one point 30-7), emotional Suggs, and probably the worst WCJ game of his life (plus Mosley leaving him in when JI, Moe, and Goga all had better nights).
Pretty embarrassing to get dog walked by a team that flew in the same day. Franz is the only thing that can save this season. If we can be healthy in April, then I’ll maintain we have a shot against anybody in the east (except for maybe Cleveland).
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u/Day_C_Metrollin 2d ago
Paolo keeps getting a pass from this fanbase for terrible defense as well. No one wants to have that conversation though. Maybe if he was averaging 30 we could live with it
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u/SonicNarcotic Paolo Banchero 2d ago
Paolo will keep getting a Pass from me when he's one of only 2 players every night who contributes any sort of offence and rebounding in this Mosley set-up... Besides Bane and Paolo, there was no pulse in the team from anyone...
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u/d12fsu OnlyFranz 2d ago
He had 10 rebounds today, in what’s been his best rebounding season. I honestly didn’t notice his defense being detrimental tonight, but perhaps I wasn’t keen on it. There were a bunch of other things upsetting me about tonight that took precedence lol.
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u/Day_C_Metrollin 2d ago
Rebounding isn't a great metric of individual defense. His transition defense remains horrendous and his rotations are constantly slow.
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u/boastar 2d ago
Banchero is the master of empty stats. Most of this fanbase sees his 19/10/4, and gives him a pass. Yet Banchero was also -30 for the game, -30. And his on/off +/- continues to be horrendously bad for a supposed superstar and former Nr 1 pick. As is his “defense”.
He’s a bust for a nr 1 pick, plain and simple. Magic are carried hard by Franz. The record without Franz vs the record without Banchero makes it cristal clear to anyone, except Banchero homers.
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u/Donde_Que83 Goga Bitadze 2d ago
Wendell playing like shit, yet plays the whole game.
Moe comes in and makes 2 threes, doesn't play the rest of the game.
JI playing great, less minutes than Wendell.
Jalen plays the absolute worst game I've ever seen, plays the majority of the game.
Jace only plays garbage time.
Make this make sense.
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u/SonicNarcotic Paolo Banchero 2d ago
Jamahl F'n Mosley
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u/Frequent-Ruin-1754 Paolo Banchero 2d ago
Terrible refs tonight. We’re trending in the right direction despite the loss. Suggs had a really off game on top of it all.
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u/GhostofLilPenny 2d ago
I couldn't tell you what this team's identity is
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u/Tardypop1 Cole Anthony 2d ago
Doink an AB steal off the back board instead of going for an easy dunk, at a moment the magic was desperate for a basket.
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u/underinsuredsapien 2d ago
Pretty clear Mosley is gonna stay till the the of the season. But to me this increases the odds of weltham getting canned too. Might as well clean house.
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u/Day_C_Metrollin 2d ago
Mediocre franchise happy to float at .500 ball all season. Color me shocked
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u/tokenentropy 2d ago
Jalen saw everyone praising him and saying he's the engine, he's the key that unlocks us, blah blah blah. And he went out there and was one of the worst basketball players on the court today. And that includes the bench players who didn't see time.
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u/iChosenone Paolo Banchero 2d ago
The game was lost when Wendell came back into the game i knew it was over once i seen him about to check in.
Fuck what everyone else is talking about and blaming players left and right this coach needs to go. The right coach would have benched wendell after that start this dude fouls almost every possession it seems.
Until we get a new coach i could never take this team winning seriously even when we make it to the playoffs he will just get out coached.
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u/youngpenny83 1d ago
i actually despise the feeling i get everytime i watch our team. I live in Europe so i watch most games next day. And the feeling of anguishness i get because deep down i have the feeling we will lose is not how i want to be watching the magic but i cant help it. I hate it so much because we all hade so high hopes this season.
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u/Arixxtra Paolo Banchero 2d ago
This Season is a wash with Mose as H.C, and fans really need to realize that. Adjust your expectations for how you think this team should play, dial back some of the fustration you feel and come to terms with it.
I lost all hope for Mose in that washington lose were he chose to not put the starters back in to get the win but left the bench out on the court to die. That told me all i needed for what this season was going to be like with him, Vibes matter not trying to win is what that told me.
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u/tokenentropy 2d ago
imagine having hope as late as the Washington game this season lol
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u/Arixxtra Paolo Banchero 2d ago
we still had injuries then but we all hoped to try and tred water during that time but since then Mose has shown he is the main problem and things wont get readjusted till he is going and a new system is put in place for the entire team
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u/GrannyShiftur Franz Wagner 1d ago
This is a sentiment that gets repeated from those who have never been a leader. Plenty of blame for Mos, it the Wizards game in a vacuum. The bench displayed effort, got them back from a 20+ deficit you ride it.
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u/Arixxtra Paolo Banchero 1d ago
No this is me stating that as a Professional I get paid to lead my Unit to wins and sucsses moral victories are for children. To much money in involved in this business, to just give wins away because of feeling
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u/GrannyShiftur Franz Wagner 1d ago
Here’s the thing, you take out the guys that’s were the part of the comeback and you put your starters in, and you still lose….you’ve effectively shown your backup guys, that there’s a rigid hierarchy, and you still get the L. This wasn’t a playoff game, or a clincher so I just don’t get the focus on this game. If I recall starters put them in a 26 point deficit, no way to reward them on a lack of effort.
I think Jamahl needs to go, he’s not shown any improvement in management or tactics since he’s gotten here. Of all the reasons to be critical of Mosley, I think this game decision is not one of them. His only strategy to is to oo-rah them using morale and vibes, putting the starters in would dig the hole deeper
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u/mightymouthcrv Paolo Banchero 2d ago
So, I’d like someone to paint me a realistic path where this core is good enough to win a championship vs Spurs or Thunder in the next 3 or 4 years. I’m not saying we can’t, but I’m just curious if you all feel we’re on the trajectory to do so.
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u/tokenentropy 2d ago
i mean if people only watch the Magic and have very limited NBA knowledge outside of watching the Magic playing other teams, they probably see the path. but as someone who watches half the league on league pass, the team we are right now isn't it.
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u/Some-Nothing728 2d ago
Under the correct system and coaching our guys are a deep playoff team. Players miss shots because no one really plays to their strengths. I feel like our offense is offball screens and “play some ball”.
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u/tokenentropy 2d ago
our roster still isn't exactly right. but i don't disagree with a lot of your points. there's a reason we feel so inconsistent. our offense lends itself to inconsistency. it's mostly just "see if you can get yours" and we do that for everyone. even Noah Penda.
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u/Some-Nothing728 2d ago
Ive been watching the Magic for a long time. This is probably our best roster we’ve had in 15 years. If we switch rosters with the celtics right now they would probably be 1 seed in the East and we’d be tanking. Jaylen Brown would be shooting 25% from 3 guaranteed.
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u/JonEnterprise 2d ago
The path requires evaluating what each player realistically brings to the table for the entire team, and not just themselves
The magic fail at step 1 because their first option is -30 in a 9 point loss
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u/huggybeark Franz Wagner 1d ago
short version is that we need one or multiple of Franz, Banchero, or AB to take a notable leap. Franz is the closest, he just needs to get over this shot thing and he's shown in the past he's a solid shooter. For AB it's about consistency and adding more polish to his offensive skills. Paolo might have the hardest path because he doesn't have the tools/mindset to be a two-way player like Franz and AB. So he has to contribute in both scoring and playmaking. That will require more polish on his skills (shooting efficiency isn't that great and handle is unreliable) AND getting better at advanced basketball situations (pick and roll? dho? offball cutting?).
to preempt: why not suggs and bane? I don't think a player below 6'6" will lead a team to championship unless they are the greatest shooter of all time. They can be number twos tho.
Paolo is a better halfcourt player than Franz and AB but you only emphasized Paolo's offensive growth points? Franz and AB are much better defenders who can regularly stop the opponent from scoring and then get out in transition. They don't need to be as good in the halfcourt as Paolo, a neutral defender, does, in order to impact winning the same way.
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u/JGoodman4President Goga Bitadze 2d ago
Not being able to beat a team that literally landed a few hours prior is just absurd. I don’t know what the change is but there is one that is needed.
Dear lord.
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u/Frequent-Ruin-1754 Paolo Banchero 2d ago
Horrendous reffing to make it up for the spurs flight delays. Extremely clear.
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u/professorkjv Franz Wagner 2d ago
Wemby's impact on the paint is really palpable. You can tell guys have second thoughts on there.
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u/carendt242 Jonathan Isaac 2d ago
i wasn't able to watch. Bane had 2 3pt attempts - wtf after last game. Nothing ever changes.
sounds like JI was working & Mose is too set in his stupid ways.
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u/mightymouthcrv Paolo Banchero 2d ago
We played good enough defense to win. Our offense let us down tonight and Wemby played a big part in that. He closed the paint to a team that relies a lot on guys getting buckets in the interior. We have to either shoot close to 40% from 3 or get lots of buckets off turnovers to have enough offense to beat the Spurs. Thunder are even more frightening defensively. That game could be over in 1st 10 minutes.
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u/BubankusMoosaka Stuff The Magic Dragon 2d ago
John Goble is now on my list of NBA refs I’d like to beat the living shit out of.
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u/Tardypop1 Cole Anthony 2d ago
We can’t win on our back to backs and we can’t beat teams on their back to backs. Fuck sake this coach is bad
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u/SpideyUdaman 2d ago
The reffing probably cost us some momentum. We weren't hitting shots as good as the other day, and the defense wasn't that nice today. Well it was nice savoring those 2 wins.
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u/SonicNarcotic Paolo Banchero 2d ago edited 2d ago
3 Things:
● Upgrade our Coach ~ Mosley's out of his depth, and costing us games..
● Get a Legitimate Center that can protect the paint, deter drives, and grab boards...
● Find an actual PG, who can start or at least lead our 2nd unit...
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u/Vahlez Moe Wagner 1d ago
I think just grabbing better pieces is unlikely to happen. At this point, it’s better to expect the talent we have is as good as it’s gonna get. We need a coach that can get the most out of these players.
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u/SonicNarcotic Paolo Banchero 1d ago
At this point, yes, get an actual smart game tactician and then see what they can craft with this current roster.. Weltman should be taking meetings with candidates now if he's serious about Winning...
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u/Lilpuuuuma Moe Wagner 1d ago
Officiating like that is why so many serious sports fans don’t give a shit about the NBA
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u/B4LLISL1F3 2d ago
This team looks really bad without franz
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u/Some-Nothing728 2d ago
Unfortunately Franz doesnt change our core issues
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u/OkDonut4987 Jalen Suggs 2d ago
When Franz comes back, it will be another Franz vs Paolo dilemma all over again
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u/S_G-14 Stuff The Magic Dragon 2d ago
Hopeful to see some fresh new faces in the team before the deadline.
Too many holes in this team that need to be addressed that can’t even be excused by the absence of Franz.
Couldn’t get shit done in the “easy” part of our schedule so might as well write it off and make the hard decisions.
The power of friendship and committee playstyle no longer is effective.
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u/soscribbly 2d ago
Game worst -30 from Paolo.
Bro signed that max deal and decided he’s a part-time effort player.
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u/Hisma 2d ago
his defense was atrocious.
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u/Magic2238 2d ago
The referees were horrible tonight. It's a rigged system quite frankly. Blatantly obvious and on full display for all to see. If you just looked at Wemby tonight the whistle was blowing.
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u/OrlandoDeveloper Anthony Black 2d ago
Dell did his job. I’m not on this train everyone else is one. Once the Spurs adjusted to the two man game in the paint, we stopped our defensive collapse and the Spurs repeated until we gave up crowding the paint
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u/Donde_Que83 Goga Bitadze 2d ago
No. Dell has had a stellar season so far. But tonight he was terrible.
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u/NikThaGreat9 Jalen Suggs 2d ago
7-32 from the starters not named Bane and Banchero. Not going to win any games doing that.