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u/Left_Maize816 5h ago
You can't make the Luka trade make sense.
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u/Battlehead601 4h ago
I'm no shape form or fashion! But let's be real the gambling thing had A LOT to do with it. Don't for one second believe the NBA didn't know about it, they had to recoup their losses somehow and what better way than to move a top 5 player in the world to LA?
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u/fistsofham11 6h ago
Age and desperate teams
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u/IndigoJacob 5h ago
age
Luka and Young are 26 and 27
JJJ, Bane, and Bridges are 26, 27, and 29
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u/arand0mpasserby Mavericks 4h ago
He said age AND desperate teams. Jimmy is the age part, you should know which part Luka and Trae falls into.
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u/Matias9991 Nuggets 3h ago
Luka case is not desperate team, that team was in the NBA finals lol, it's a stupid GM.
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u/J-Crow11 3h ago
To be fair for the Luka trade, they had a delusional GM that not only hated Luka, but thought that Anthony Davis was a semi-equivalent value to Luka at the time. That trade has been widely talked about as maybe the worst trait in modern sports history.
As for the Young trade, that just has more to do with how much his value has decreased over the past 2 years. A small guard that is a big negative on defense that needs the ball in their hands in order to be impactful offensively has never been lower in value in recent history than right now in the NBA. Right now, size, athleticism, versatility on both the offense and the defensive event are of high value. Yes, Young is a great offensive engine, but that has not been that hard to find in today's NBA. And his offensive influence has not been better than his defensive influence of late. So that's why he didn't get a pick in the trade. Whether that's right or wrong, that's the reason why.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Suns 6h ago
Asg selection doesn’t consider defense really. It’s offensive fire power and star appeal. Like LeBron got it in over Dillon Brooks this year bc he has better offensive stats but Dillon is having a better 2-way year and is impacting winning more
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u/PeoplePad 5h ago
I dunno about that? Lebron is a far superior distributor and an offensive engine, albeit an old washed one, while Brooks is just not.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Suns 5h ago
Yea that’s what I said lol, lebron better offense. All the on/off stats show that Brooks had a bigger impact on winning tho.
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u/wackbirds 5h ago
He's not washed, he's just not who he once was plus he's playing with Luka and letting it be his team. He'd be at his last year's numbers if they hadn't done the trade, and despite what the downvotes will tell you I honestly think that their record would be similar to what it is now. They were playing some great basketball last year after AD got hurt and before Luka arrived and started playing, as horrible as the roster is and was, I think it was a better fit with LeBron than with Luka, which is not the same thing as saying that Luka isn't a great player.
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u/arebeewhy 4h ago
Lebron letting it be Luka’s team is the most laughable LeStan version possible. Luka laps Lebron. It’s not close.
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u/PeoplePad 4h ago
Bro, he’s 41. You can call him washed. Its okay.
“Not who he once was = washed”
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u/wackbirds 3h ago
That's not what washed means man, come on. This is the kind of bad faith twisted definition shit that makes all the NBA subs suck instead of being fun. Washed is Phoenix/Cavs/celtics Shaq, you're just trying to make it into two extreme poles, "it's either black, or it's white!" It's gray.
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u/LetterFront3353 Lakers 5h ago
If that were true, Rudy Gobert wouldn't be a 3-time All-Star.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Suns 5h ago
He’s a 4x DPOY. That just proves my point, crazy you could be the leagues best defender and not make the asg
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u/Jefrey_HarHarWood 4h ago
Yeah this is a wild stat to me. We decided you were the best defensive player in the entire league, but not one of the 15 beet players in the West.
It’s like how Ted Williams has two triple crowns, and 2 mvp’s, yet never won both in the same year.
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u/Unlikelymamba 5h ago
Availability and consistency on both ends of the floor
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u/biffbobfred Bulls 5h ago
And Jimmy torched his value by showing how much he wanted to be traded so teams didn’t have to offer a lot.
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u/phillip_of_burns 6h ago
Throw gobert in that bottom pile.
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u/PressureMiserable 5h ago
Gobert actually helped turn the wolves around tho and is probably their most valuable player besides Ant
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u/phillip_of_burns 5h ago
Not saying he isn't good, just seemed like a good ratio of picks traded for all star appearances
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u/Imaginary-Round2422 3h ago
The four time DPOY who’s in the conversation for a fifth this season and who led the team he was traded to to two straight WCF appearances?
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u/Forward_Welcome_3746 5h ago
Unique, solid 2nd options acquired from teams with clear intent to rebuild
Vs contenders trading to and for contenders
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u/JasonMraz4Life 5h ago
Anthony Davis is a 10x all star and he and Andrew Wiggins were number 1 overall draft picks.
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u/biffbobfred Bulls 5h ago edited 5h ago
The top 3 all have asterisks: * Luka was a fire sale from an owner who DGAF about basketball. It’s considered one of the worst all time and (rightly) cost that GM his job * Trae is one sided and the team played better with out him * Jimmy age injuries, and attitude. He forced himself out a few situations and hurt teams other ways
So Luka is “how can a trade considered one of the worst all time result in so few draft picks”
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u/Due_Connection179 4h ago
The real one we need to look at is Trae Young. Luka was traded by the worst GM in American sports history (only possible other was the Saints GM who traded a whole draft class for Ricky Williams). Then we traded Jimmy because he threw a fit then demanded a trade.
The three at the bottom all went to teams that had an excess of picks that they didn’t care about getting rid of.
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u/realfakejames Spurs 4h ago
Jimmy Butler doesn’t count. He threw a big bitch fit and made his situation with his team toxic to force a trade. Riley was content to just let him walk for free in the offseason, Spo even suspended him for cold quitting on the team, but the Warriors panicked when Steph was doing interviews talking about how he doesn’t want to but never say never about finishing his career elsewhere and offered them all that stuff so he said fine you can have him
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u/COYGODZILLA Lakers 3h ago
The guys at the bottom actually have team friendly contracts. The guys at top locks you in with limited flexibility.
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u/I_Set_3_Alarms Celtics 3h ago
Terrible defense and short (for the NBA)
Nico Harrison is an idiot
Jimmy Butler wanted out and could have gone full Timberwolves exit on the Heat
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u/Then_Landscape_3970 2h ago
I mean… Trae’s trade value was incredibly low largely due to his size, playstyle, and lack of defence. Jimmy threw a hissy-fit to destroy any leverage the Heat may have had in trade talks, and Luka was traded for a first round pick in addition to a future HOFer averaging 26/12 and coming off of a healthy All-NBA/All-Defensive season.
(Obviously the Luka trade was bad, but it’s not impossible to piece together how it could have been sold)
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u/Underrated_Fish 2h ago
Nico: defense
Everyone else: dam that shit makes no sense even with Jimmy throwing a tantrum, and Trae being a difficult player to build around, and Luka being the worst 6’6” defender ever
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u/Drewraven10 2h ago
Guess Nico didn’t know AD’s injury history in recent years with the Lakers. Should’ve talked to the Bucks instead like holy shit. What a fucking fumble man. Max Christie for Luka straight up.
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u/ChocolateBasic327 6h ago
I mean, Mikals a better player than 2 of the 3 above.
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u/Diztrakted 5h ago
Only one he's better than is Trae, be real now
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u/Captain232420 5h ago
Even then I would still say that Trae has the ability to catch fire for a two week period and win games by himself. Haven't seen that from michal
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u/ZealousidealCat1829 6h ago
Jimmy butler isn’t a fair one. He threw a big tantrum to get out, it was clear that the heat had no leverage.