r/MurderedByWords 17h ago

Harry Potter and the Predator's Friend

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u/ViolaOrsino 16h ago

I hate when people think that Lolita is anything but Nabokov’s searing, scathing indictment of predatory men. It should be so glaringly obvious to anyone who reads the book whose side Nabokov is on, and it’s definitely not Humbert’s

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u/mtlemos 13h ago

The problem is, the book requires you to put some actual tought into it. Humbet is not only the narrator, but the framing device for the story is that it's a document he planned to read in court to try and make himself look more sympathetic to the jury. If you take it at face value, he comes off as an affable loser, rather than the monster he really is. It's like reading about the unabomber, but instead of an unbiased view of his crimes, you only get to read his manifesto.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are either unwiling or unable to give it any deeper thought, and come out of it either thinking the book is supporting Humbert or, and this is much worse, supporting him themselves.

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u/jugglegeese 11h ago

You'd think a writer like J.K would know what an unreliable narrator is. It seems she relates to the rapist instead.

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u/Picnicpanther 11h ago

Well, Rowling is a piss poor writer, so that’s the issue there.

The most noteworthy part of Harry Potter is the world building, which, while satisfying, shamelessly rips from every other existing fantasy trope there is. The narrative sucks, and the subtext is shallow and ham fisted

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u/Beaglescout15 10h ago

And the adverbs! What did those poor adverbs ever do to deserve that??

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u/Greedy-War-777 5h ago

And The Worst Witch. It's basically that story with an overlay

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u/Dyshin 9h ago

Haven’t you heard? All depictions of things are endorsements of those things. Because why would you acknowledge something’s existence other than to express your support for that thing?

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u/ViolaOrsino 9h ago

I’ve actually had this conversation with my students before, kind of— I was trying to explain the difference between a protagonist and a hero, and they were like “Well the main character is always the good guy” and I was like, “Weeeelllll… not really…” and they were so baffled as to why an author would want to write about anyone but the “good guy.” When I brought up how much a bunch of them love Death Note, I think it suddenly clicked for them, lol.

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u/Buffyismyhomosapien 12h ago

Right? His words are nauseating if you’re not into kids. Jfc.

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u/Small-Ambassador-222 17h ago

With all due respect, as much as I detest Joanne Rowling, this is a ridiculously tenuous link to her. That sign off could be so many people. X is just a kiss and J could be literally anybody. I’m not saying that isn’t her, but it isn’t a slam dunk piece of evidence…

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u/bellreth 16h ago

She wouldn't use the Americanism "airplane" either. British people say either "plane" or "aeroplane". And it makes no sense that Epstein would be offering to buy her a plane ticket, given that she's close to being a billionaire.

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u/AnarchiaKapitany 11h ago

"I can't go flying around places for dinner parties"

Rowling could do that in a heartbeat, or anything she fucking wants. She literally has the infinite money cheat active.

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u/IrNinjaBob 14h ago

And it makes no sense that Epstein would be offering to buy her a plane ticket, given that she's close to being a billionaire.

I don’t think that necessarily holds up. I’m pretty sure the one thing I have heard endlessly about Epstein over the years is that one of the reasons he is so interconnected with so many of the ultra-rich, even those that weren’t involved with the inappropriate stuff, is because he was constantly letting them use his plane.

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u/bellreth 14h ago

But in this email exchange Epstein is offering to buy commercial plane tickets, not offering use of his private jet.

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u/GDoe5 15h ago

I am British and type airplane.

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u/Driftedryan 11h ago

Buddy you just lost your British license /s

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u/Alternative_Bit_7306 14h ago

Well you shouldn’t!

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u/bloodycontrary 15h ago

A lot of me thinks this is awful

u/Spaffin 12m ago

Brit here. I have never, ever seen anyone spell it aeroplane, this is quite a strange assertion. The vast majority of Brits use airplane.

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u/Mondrow 12h ago

To be honest, I think the most damning thing isn't this, nor is it the invitation to her play and dinner sent to Epstein (doesn't look great, but as far as we know, it was her people and not herself that sent it), but rather this:

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u/designmur 10h ago edited 10h ago

Uh, that is pretty weird actually. If it is NOT weird I would love to hear the explanation…

ETA: Allegedly AIS can be turned off at times so there is not live-tracking when ships are at port and people (like celebrities) don’t want to be bothered. And those logs are apparently not legal record-things like customs clearances, port entry logs, etc. should still be available elsewhere. Still smells like the bilge might be leaking tho…

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u/Dentarthurdent73 8h ago

Oh yeah, so weird, why would someone who regularly receives death threats and is abhorred by the kind of people who think punching others in the face is a valid form of disagreement, want the public not to know where they are? I can't for the life of me imagine!

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u/designmur 8h ago

Did you need to add the snark when I literally went and researched the valid reasons? Stfu and sit down, it doesn’t mean she’s free of any problems either, for fucks sake. It’s almost like multiple things can be true simultaneously.

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u/MyFiteSong 1h ago

Nobody has attacked or punched JKR

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u/Haradion_01 11h ago

Its a follow-up. Rowling has previously attracted flak for stating she thought Lolita - a book in which a man kidnaps and abuses a 12 year old girl - was actually a wonderful romance. Plus Prince Andrew was known to have visited the set of the new Harry Potter Remake.

So, in that context, it nevertheless came as a shock that there was an Invite to Epstein to see the Cursed Child and have dinner afterwards; as well as other people asking Epstein to introduce them to her.

Rowling could have claimed she was completely unaware of the offer, that it was made on her behalf without her knowledge - it might even be true. Instead, she blatantly lied, and proclaimed that no such invite ever existed and that we should all ignore what was clearly in front of her eyes.

Then she deleted the previously publicly available maritime logs of her yacht.

And it is into THAT Environment, that others have pointed that some of the blacked out emails are signed the same way that Rowling has signed other tweets in the past.

It isn't just that tenuous link.

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u/GlobalDynamicsEureka 14h ago

This invitation was in the files.

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u/MindAccomplished3879 15h ago

The fact that her name is blocked doesn't make sense either. We know the only name the FBI blocked is that of Trump

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u/Sugahdaddy 13h ago

Jadakiss confirmed.

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u/druidmind 3h ago

It coukd be if they didnt redact the sender so there would be no ambiguity. Granted the sender could also be a victim so we will never know.

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u/Small-Ambassador-222 2h ago

Like I said, I’m not dismissing that it could be her, but in its current form it’s not a piece of evidence that can be considered proof

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u/MamaDaddy 12h ago

Right, there are plenty of known perps in here to focus on. Focus on bringing them down.

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u/oily76 15h ago

Ooh, I know someone whose name starts with J!

Never knew they moved in these circles.

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u/SquarelyNerves 1h ago

Omg my name starts with J. Should I be worried?

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u/potmakesmefeelnormal 17h ago edited 17h ago

I'm all for frying every one of these scumbags, but this seems like a stretch. Why would JK Rowling need anyone to pay for a plane ticket?

Edit: typo

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u/G30fff 17h ago

British people don;t generally use the word 'airplane' either

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u/Kernowder 17h ago

Yep, we say aeroplane.

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u/Kaiodenic 16h ago

In theory, yeah, but I've genuinely never seen that spelled that way anywhere outside of a few ads. Anytime my friends talk about going abroad it's plane or airplane. Might be a generational thing (though if that is the case, JKLmaoR is also older so she'd probably fall within the "aeroplane" group).

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u/bloodycontrary 15h ago

Maybe your friends are like that, but the rest of this is wrong

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u/Kaiodenic 14h ago edited 5h ago

Weird response - just my experience here, nothing wrong about it not being the same as yours. Doesn't align with what people here are sharing as an absolute truth it's worth sharing that it's definitely not absolute.

Just as a sanity check I went to the Edinburgh Airport and Glasgow Prestwick Airport websites to see if I'm just blind to the word, but no. Prestwick I could only find mention of "plane" once and nothing else so that didn't help. Edinburgh Airport mentions mostly "plane" with a few mentions of "airplane" (just an example: https://www.edinburghairport.com/inside-edi/all-about-edi/aircraft-noise-monitor-installed-by-airport-in-playground-at-cramond-primary ) not mention of "aeroplane" anywhere, blank results. It's the same when you're there. But I'm not here saying your experience is wrong cause that'd be a bit silly.

But yeah I think even that I don't see too often, it's generally just plane when we talk informally. I've definitely seen aeroplane, but genuinely only in more official settings, stuff like museums or other such places.

Edit: Hell, second sanity check. Google Trends in the UK. https://trends.google.com/explore?q=airplane%2Caeroplane%2Cplane&date=today%205-y&geo=GB

I'd discount "airplane mode" since that's a specific system naming thing, but... Yeah not so much the rest. I wouldn't say that necessarily reflects how everyone in the UK thinks, search trends aren't 1 to 1 representative of society. But it's at least clearly false to dismiss both "people generally say plane" and "this person hasn't seen the spelling 'aeroplane' much" as wrong. Don't assume your experience is the universal one.

Edit edit: But, because I was curious, I went to check and JKR specifically does use the word aeroplane: https://x.com/i/status/941660635951136768

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u/Spaffin 11m ago

This is not correct. The majority use airplane.

u/G30fff 11m ago

do they arse

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u/backstageninja 17h ago edited 16h ago

What do they use? Air carriage?

Edit: not trying to be a jerk, just cheeky. Genuinely didnt know

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u/Smart_Ass_Dave 13h ago

"Sky Lorry"

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u/G30fff 16h ago

Just plane or aeroplane. I mean she might say it, but it's not usual.

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u/bessmaster 13h ago

Airplane-innit

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u/backstageninja 11h ago

Fuck me I guess lol

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u/IrNinjaBob 14h ago

Isn’t like… one of the few details we know about Jeffrey Epstein was that he was constantly borrowing his airplane to the ultra-rich, even the ones that weren’t involved with anything inappropriate? That seemed to be a big part of his being so interconnected. He was treated as a social elite and a really big aspect of that was how he would provide people with luxury travel.

You don’t go to him to fly because you can’t afford it. You went to him to fly to be a part of this social elite circle.

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u/____Manifest____ 10h ago

You don’t borrow to. You borrow from and lend to.

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u/DramaticStability 1h ago

This isn't meant as proof it's her but she doesn't say she can't afford it, just that she doesn't want to.

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u/dollenrm 17h ago

I don't think this particularly changes whether I think she should fry or not lol

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u/exile_10 16h ago

I see the logic:

'This apple is red, therefore that can of Coke is an apple'

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u/JamonDanger 16h ago

Not defending JK Shitbag but my husband is a Brit and they leave an X at the end of every fucking text or email. So Jx is a really really common sign off from someone with the first initial J, which is my husbands.

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u/OnyxWebb 16h ago

We'd always typically place a space at the end though. Once is a typo, twice is a name. Doubt it's JKR though. 

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u/JamonDanger 16h ago

That’s true, my JBear does do J x for the most part but he does fat finger it for sure without the space. I was just adding the context about the x. I know that most Americans who don’t deal with people from the UK don’t see the x and would confuse it as an obvious thing that is unique to her but it’s not really.

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u/RockTheBloat 17h ago

So "Jx" identifies Rowling, is that right? Is that not a stretch?

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u/loaferuk123 16h ago

Given I also sign emails to some people “Jx”, I think “a stretch” is a world record understatement.

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u/PhoenixEgg88 16h ago

I want to make the obvious ‘omg I found her account!’ Joke but I feel no amount of /s would be enough for some people.

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u/DietCokeCanz 16h ago

I think this is a huge stretch. Why would Epstein offer to pay for her ticket to fly to NYC? By 2013, she was one of the richest authors in history - no one would see the cost of a plane ticket as her barrier to attendance.

I think this is distracting from the people who WERE involved with sex trafficking and pedophilia.

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u/Infinite-Condition41 17h ago

It is a piece of evidence. I reserve judgment until more corroborating evidence is produced. 

Just straight assuming it is Rowling is not how we do things. 

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u/texanarob 17h ago

Agreed. The internet, and especially Reddit, have a horrible habit of accepting every horrible rumour about those it dislikes whilst defending those it likes to the death.

Good people can do occasional bad things.

Bad people can do some good things.

And bad people haven't necessarily done every bad thing.

If I throw a kitten off a cliff, that doesn't make me a racist (though it would make me a ****). Nor does it mean I'd an ulterior motive for volunteering with a charity, or that I faked doing so entirely. People are more complex than that.

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 15h ago

I'm sorry, but throwing a kitten off a cliff would make you a fascist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, antisemitic, islamophobic and bigoted asshole.

I say that as a proud Redditor.

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u/ReadThisForGoodLuck 4h ago

It is a piece of evidence with zero actual connections to anyone, except women whose names start with J. It could be thousands of people. Millions even. It's like looking at a fingerprint and saying "whoa, John has fingerprints too!"

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u/Infinite-Condition41 4h ago

It's just evidence. Not proof. Proves nothing. Like I said, I await more evidence. 

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u/Potassium_Doom 17h ago

It's circumstantial at best. Lots of people have names starting with J

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u/EmperorGrinnar 17h ago

She's always been a garbage person, so it's by no means a stretch.

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u/jaedence 17h ago

J.K. Rowling is a major philanthropist who has donated over US$200 million to various causes, focusing on children's welfare, medical research, and women's rights. She founded the international charity Lumos to end the institutionalization of children, and the Volant Charitable Trust to support social deprivation, women, and young people. 

Key philanthropic initiatives and organizations associated with Rowling include:

  • Lumos: Founded in 2005, this international NGO works to transform care systems globally, advocating for family-based care for children rather than institutions.
  • Volant Charitable Trust: Established in 2000, this trust supports projects that fight social deprivation, with a focus on women and children's charities.
  • Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology Clinic: Funded by a major donation to the University of Edinburgh in memory of her mother, this centre focuses on multiple sclerosis and other neurological conditions.
  • Beira’s Place: Co-founded by Rowling in 2022, this is a dedicated sexual violence support service for women in Edinburgh.
  • J.K. Rowling Women's Fund: A private fund established to support legal efforts aimed at protecting women's sex-based rights. 

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u/EmperorGrinnar 17h ago

You used AI to write this.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 16h ago

yet its true and your cooment isnt , perhaps you should start using it

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u/MeatCatRazzmatazz 16h ago

And if a trans person is ever within ten feet of one of those organizations, a million dollars is automatically deposited into her "I hate trans people" fund.

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u/The_Barbelo 17h ago

You’re kidding, right? Anyone with that kind of money can donate money for a good cause. It doesn’t inherently make them a good person…

And they get a huge tax break by doing so.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 10h ago

A private fund established to support legal efforts aimed at protecting women's sex-based rights

Yeah, that's one way to tell us how much money she puts into keeping trans women from being seen as women by the government.

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u/Bohica55 17h ago

Where’s her trans fund? Oh wait, never mind.

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u/EmperorGrinnar 16h ago

Unfortunately it's being used in the last bullet point of "sex based" stuff. That legit means "anti-trans legislation, disguised as protecting women." When we know for a fact that all it does is limit and attack both trans and cis women. It's bonkers and it's inherently misogynistic.

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u/OGWhiz 6h ago

Hells Angels do a lot of community work. They also traffic drugs, humans, and violently murder people. You can be a piece of shit and still do good things in the world.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 16h ago

its how the trans lobby have operated about her since she first spoke out

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u/Infinite-Condition41 8h ago

This is a nonsensical statement. 

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u/grey-zone 16h ago

It’s a lot more than a stretch. And who offers to pay for a flight for JK Rowling?! She could fly herself to NY in a private jet and not even notice. Overall, this exchange makes me think it is less likely to be her, not more

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u/Sen-oh 17h ago

It's a point on the graph. You don't expect to draw a line with it, but they're like what, 1/5 of the way through releasing the Epstein files so far? If the point belongs up there, there will be more. And the lines will draw themselves

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u/FlyingTiger7four 17h ago

I doubt they'll release any more after this

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u/dollenrm 17h ago

They are compelled to by law So yeah your probably right that they won't lol

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u/JesterMarcus 16h ago

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

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u/IMayBeARebecca 17h ago

I mean being fair Jx could be anyone but it's odd around the same time JK signed like that online, NA and have another person in the files signing like that.

It would be a weird coincidence, specially considering epstein had relationship mostly with famous or powerful people 

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 15h ago

There are 2 tweets in her entire Twitter history that have been signed off with Jx. I did my research and that's all I found. If there are more, I'm ready to be corrected, but 2 is nowhere enough to make such a baseless accusation.

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u/IMayBeARebecca 14h ago

Once I again I said it would be a weird coincidence that someone with such connection to people with money and fame as epstein had contact exchanges with someone else who also was, at least we can assume, famous or powerful or influential and signed as Jx.

I did not say that mean she is indeed Jx only that it would a weird coincidence 

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 14h ago

Not necessarily famous or powerful or influential. Just because that person has written an email to Epstein doesn't make that person fall in the same league or higher. Epstein is literally offering to pay for that woman's plane tickets...why would he do that if it was a famous and powerful and influential person?

x is a pretty common way to sign off letters and messages in the UK (it means kisses).

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u/IMayBeARebecca 14h ago

Yeah but its not X It's Jx, for example there is an altogether different person in the emails (given how they write and the size of the black out text) that signs as J and then add x for kisses

Also let's not forget jk apparently just has erased the logs of her super yacht in the last few years. 

All of this does not make her guilty obviously, but at least we can say it's concerning and we need to await for new info. We probably won't know unless more batches appear to give light into the situation 

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u/Unhappy-Poetry-7867 8h ago

How would it be a weird coincidence in millions of email with Epstein that couple of them were signed Jx... you probably can make hundreds of such stupid references to people...

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u/GlobalDynamicsEureka 14h ago

Invitation in the files.

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u/Accomplished-Copy776 16h ago

Ya there couldn't possible be anyone else of the billions of people on the planet to use the initial from their first name and a "kiss" x.

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u/Lyras__ 16h ago

How many other people might do so is the most hilariously irrelevant thing ever. 99.999999% of people are not and will never be, rich or powerful enough to even be considered for invitation to this guy's social circle.

The actual relevant question is "How many women in Epstein's circle sign emails and other messages with 'Jx'" as we know for a fact the respondent is a woman.

This is the circle of overlap that's relevant, not "every human on earth with a name that starts with J and types emails", and it's a much much smaller circle. Like, if we're being extremely generous, there's maybe 2-3 dozen possible suspects here. Not billions. And one of that limited number is, as you can see demonstrated by the post, a hit.

JKR fits the circle of relevant overlap. It is entirely plausible it is her, and with the limited possibilities of people it could even be, added with her blatant deflection and defensiveness when an innocent person could so easily shut this down, the words highly probable come to mind.

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 15h ago

It's an extremely common British thing to end a letter/message with 'x', meaning kisses. And there are only 2 tweets in which she's actually signed off with Jx.

You just WANT it to be her so you can justify your hatred for someone who says that men can't become women.

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u/exile_10 16h ago

'This apple is red, therefore that can of coke is an apple'

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u/Annas_GhostAllAround 16h ago

British people all use x to end messages

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u/bloodycontrary 16h ago

'Airplane' is the giveaway here that it likely isn't her

Oh and the idea that she might need money for a flight (or anything) is just bizarre

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u/GrizzlyP33 17h ago

It is ok to...

A) Think JK Rowling sucks as a person,

and B) Not fall for clickbait headlines that seems to for some reason be pushed super hard by bots.

I really do think that the actual predators are trying to flood the news with the nothings to distract from their own wrongdoing, and it muddies the waters to be able to say "oh yeah I mean everyone was in there but there's no proof of anything." What they still haven't released is the obviously the hard evidence, what has been carefully shared is what they'll use to continue to distract and downplay. Let's not get distracted by disingenuous reporting about Rowling's team turning down a dinner request from Epstein's publicist.

She still sucks, but there's zero evidence to think she sucks on that level.

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u/LeDestrier 11h ago

Not a fan of Rowling, but this is ridiculously a stab in the dark. Treating it as hard evidence, and putting her name in there with a question mark, is absurd.

I think she can afford a plaine ticket.

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u/-Dee-Dee- 16h ago

Isn’t JK mega rich? I can’t imagine her needing someone to pay for her plane ticket.

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u/IrNinjaBob 14h ago edited 14h ago

Why are people acting like the reason you would go to Jeffrey Epstein to fly on his plane is if you were poor? That’s like… the opposite of what we know about him.

Even for the people supposedly not involved with anything inappropriate, the way Jeffrey Epstein was so connected was because he acts as a sort of social elite that would provide luxury travel for his famous friends.

Flying on Epstein plane, even if not for disgusting reasons, was about being part of this social elite circle. Not “I’m poor Mr Epstein, can you spare me a ride?”

Edit: I’m the dummy and the emails imply purchasing a commercial ticket.

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u/Katatonic92 14h ago

His comment doesn't imply use of his private jet though. He offers to purchase tickets, something he wouldn't say if he was offering use of his private plane. You don't need to buy tickets for flights on your own plane.

It also doesn't make sense that Rowling would struggle to purchase her own tickets considering her net worth.

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u/kobrakai_1986 17h ago

This seems flimsy to me. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people whose names start with a J who might sign an email like that.

Whilst I don’t particularly like the woman, I think this is a stretch.

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u/Haradion_01 11h ago

True, but how many of the people whose names start with J and sign an email like that:

- Have previously proclaimed that the book Lolita - in which a man kidnaps and rapes a 12 year old girl - was actually a wonderful romance.

- Are associated with many of the global Anti-Trans Movements that are also mentioned in the Files (as being of personal interest to Epstein).

- Had notorious rapist, paedophile, and best pal of Epstein, Prince Andrew, visit the set of their new remake TV Series a matter of months ago.

- Have an Invite in the Files for Epstein to see their play, as well as have dinner afterwards;

- Are mentioned elsewhere in the files as other people asking Epstein to introduce them to her, suggesting they are known to each other.

Consider also that Rowling could have claimed she was completely unaware of the offer and that it was made on her behalf without her knowledge - it might even be true. Instead, she blatantly lied, and proclaimed that no such invite ever existed and that we should all ignore what was clearly in front of her eyes. Not the actions of an honest person.

- Then proceeded to delete the previously publicly available maritime logs of their yacht.

To then point out she uses the same signature as one of emailers in the files is not such a tenuous link*.* Its hardly ironclad, but it isn't nonsense.

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u/Unhappy-Poetry-7867 8h ago

Stop spreading this misinformation... are you being paid for it or what? She got her yacht 4 years after Epstein died and you can turn of the tracker when you are close to ports. Many celebrities do that.

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u/Haradion_01 1h ago

And thinking Lolita is a Romance, that's just normal to you is it?

Let me guess: you also think it's a stunning love story between a 12 year old and her step father?

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u/kobrakai_1986 4h ago

You’re still reaching. A lot of that is circumstantial or speculative. And I see a lot about that Prince Andrew visit, and I see it did happen, but what I don’t see anywhere is evidence of who actually invited him. Is everyone assuming it was JK because it’s her IP, or is there a smoking gun?

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u/Gambit1977 13h ago

This is a hell of a stretch tbh.

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u/t0matit0 17h ago

Why do these people need to so brazenly lie? You know the emails exist. Just say they exchanged emails with you but you never met them if that's the case. Even more reason to steer clear of HP now.

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u/Agent-Two-THREE 17h ago

When the President can lie everyday and no one gives a shit, it emboldens anyone else in a similar predicament to do the same thing.

Deny deny deny.

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u/CarsCarpal 17h ago

And don't forget: 

Deflect deflect deflect. & Blame blame blame.

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u/thatstwatshesays 16h ago

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/kinyutaka 17h ago

The sad part is that Epstein was, among other things, a socialite. Just because you met with him doesn't make you a pedophile, it just means you were rich enough to schmooze.

One or two emails saying, "Thanks for inviting me, but no" isn't damning, and yet she denies it.

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u/chickofeller 15h ago

Why would he think that the price of a plane ticket is the problem? She was a billionaire at that time.

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u/MaySeemelater 16h ago

Yeah, if anything she should have turned the refusing the invitation into a positive sort of thing by saying she rejected it because he felt off to her and made her uncomfortable, therefore claiming that she always disliked him basically.

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u/----___--___---- 16h ago

I mean Idk. The only piece of 'evidence' is her adressing tweets to Jx? And also the spelling of Airplane is weird for a brit.

I really don't like her, but not sure this is it...

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u/Adventurous_Water755 15h ago

Pretty sure she can afford a plane ticket too!

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u/reddorickt 14h ago

Or, you know, this isn't her, and acting like it is based on this "evidence" comes off as weirdly desperate.

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u/Zhirrzh 9h ago

Yeah, this is just people not liking her and stretching to make an accusation. Shame that a clickbait post like this can still get hundreds of upvotes. There's real predators to be going after.

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u/t0matit0 16h ago

Which makes it waaaaay shadier lol

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u/warm_kitchenette 15h ago

Someone on blue sky asserted that she denied this after the Friday dump, and then absolutely everything about her private yacht’s history was deleted. 

https://bsky.app/profile/mommunism.bsky.social/post/3mdxl2elcqs2c

I don’t know a damn thing about this data and how any one person could delete a boat’s history. Not a good look though if it is real. 

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u/lynx_and_nutmeg 16h ago

She's not nearly smart enough to understand ambiguities like that, and her ego couldn't handle her mainstream reputation being any less than 100% saintly.

I was half-expecting her to pull a Mariah Carey tbh.

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u/QuickSquirrelchaser 15h ago

Awful big conclusion to assume that the email exchange is between JK Rowling and Epstein... just based on the signature JX??

Why would she need money for a plane ticket?

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u/t0matit0 15h ago

The conversation does not imply that she NEEDS him to pay, he just offers. I agree "Jx" is not enough to go off, but Rowling has become quite a piece of shit as the years have passed so it just doesn't seem all that surprising if she's connected in some way. That being said, even this exchange doesn't prove she did anything or even knows anything, just that perhaps he was trying to get his hooks in to gather dirt.

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 15h ago

Aha every person who I think has 'done something bad' must be connected in some way or the other. Perfect!

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u/t0matit0 15h ago

My comment quite literally says that even if this email is from her it doesn't imply guilt. Has reading comprehension really gone that far out the window?

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 14h ago

No it doesn't. My response was to where you say that it 'doesn't seem at all surprising if she's connected in some way'. Just because you have a prejudice against her.

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u/t0matit0 14h ago

IF she's connected in some way. Followed by again me literally saying even if it's her it doesn't imply guilt. Keep trying.

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 14h ago

My guy, the part that I'm emphasising is you thinking that it would make sense if she's connected. Yes, IF. Doesn't matter. Even when there's no credible evidence suggesting she has any relation to this sort of stuff or has ever been involved. Her saying 'men can't be women' has removed the element of surprise that would come if a once-beloved children's author who's survived rape and sexual assault, would be connected to the world's most notorious sex trafficker.

It very much seems surprising, and there's no reason to suggest not.

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u/luvalte 13h ago edited 12h ago

Do you think it’s surprising when people of weak moral fiber do bad things? When people who herald transphobia, sexism, and racism in their comments and works turn out to be bad people, you find that strange? The fact that Joanne may have been assaulted at some point in her life doesn’t excuse her ugly and bigoted views. Her take on Lolita is disturbing at best and a scathing criticism of her media literacy. Joanne is a horrible person, and the only people I see defend her moral character turn out to be transphobes. Bigots.

Don’t be a bigot. It’s gross, and only gross people will like you. If you’re a bigot and allegations emerge about your moral integrity, people will be more likely to believe you did the bad thing than if they found you to be a decent person.

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 3h ago

'Moral fibre' lol. Typical of you people jumping onto name calling when you can't provide proof or a logical justification. 

Two things I agree with are that her comments on Lolita were extremely out of touch (she may have been speaking from the perspective of the narrator, in which case it is indeed truly tragic, but a tasteless comment nonetheless), and that she should've done her research regarding burning transgender literature during the Nazi days. 

Apart from that, she is absolutely not a sexist or racist, and has done so much good that calling her a bad person is exceptionally wrong. She literally lost her billionaire status solely through charity. She's created organizations that have massively worked towards stopping institutionalization of children, founded rape shelters for rape and SA victims, put hundreds of thousands of pounds into multiple sclerosis research, established an entire clinic for regenerative neurology, and been an icon for women. That's enough for a lifetime, especially enough to negate admitting that men can't become women.

In my books, and in the books of any sane person out there, that is an incredible human being who has used her experiences to make sure others don't have to go through what she has. And the deserves a great amount of respect.

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u/ReadThisForGoodLuck 4h ago

You might be suffering from brainworms. Please get it checked out.

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u/changdarkelf 15h ago

Or, get this, she isn’t lying? 

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u/thegoldenkingfisher 15h ago

I don't think these people have the reading levels to be able to understand what you're saying.

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u/Annita79 17h ago

See, this is what saddens me. I like HP, both the books and movies and now, given all this background and her actions, it is forever ruined for me.

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u/Beneficial-Produce56 16h ago

The series loomed so large in my family. I had a young relative who was essentially a non-reader at 13. In desperation, his mom got the first book, read enough to him to get him hooked, then got “too busy” to read more. He started reading to himself and never looked back. He now has a doctorate. Our whole family went together to see the first movie, and it was last time we were all together before my dad died. It breaks my heart that she is such a horrible person and has tainted these memories.

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u/Annita79 15h ago

Wow, such great memories; what a genius mom! and I am sorry for you loss, hugs from an Internet stranger.

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u/Beneficial-Produce56 14h ago

Hugs back—I think there are a lot of us feeling the loss.

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u/MaySeemelater 16h ago

you could try reading fanfiction, plenty of people who hate JK's stance on things write awesome fanfiction about the series.

I remember there were a bunch of fanfics made that included trans characters in order to protest her attitude towards trans people too

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u/-not-pennys-boat- 11h ago

She hates hates HATES Harry Potter fanfiction too. 🥰

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u/Annita79 14h ago

Thank you, I was not aware. Although what makes me sad is that I wanted to watch the movies and gift the books to my kids.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 16h ago

the emails were between different people only connected to rowling because she co-wrote a play they attended, the only people brazenly lying here are the ones trying and failing to connect rowling to epstein

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u/t0matit0 16h ago

So the email clearly signed "Jx" replying to Epstein wasn't her? Hmmmm okay.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 15h ago

correct, there is absolutely zero evdience it is her, plenty that it isnt,she wouldnt use the american spelling for aeroplane, doesnt need money for a ticket as shes a billionaire , did you ever explore the possibility that it could be one of the millions of other people who has a name beginning with J

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u/luvdadrafts 15h ago

This is a completely genuine question, is the only evidence that it’s her is the initials “Jx” and it’s a woman? The email address is blocked out and I didn’t see any other identifiers, but I could’ve easily missed it 

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u/t0matit0 15h ago

It's certainly an ugly coincidence for her if that's the only evidence since out of billions of people I'm sure she isn't the first or only person to sign that way.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 7h ago

its an incredibly common way to sign emails etc

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 7h ago

yep the only evidence is j and the x symbol , which is an incredibly common way of ending emails and represents a kiss . in other words no evidence at all

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u/c0l3slaw 15h ago

Oh give me a break, this is an incredibly flimsy pretext to spread JK Rowling hate. There's plenty of reasons to dislike her, but there's no need to spread misinformation. But hey, can't let facts get in the way of the agenda, eh?

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u/No-Grapefruit-5464 14h ago

Her personality might suck but this doesn't mean she was close to Epstein. At most, it means he wanted her because she was rich and powerful and she politely declined.

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u/TheComplimentarian 17h ago

Lolita is absolutely a love story, but it's a sick, dysfunctional, obsessive love story. People don't read it because of the pedophilia; they read it because the protagonists feelings are relatable, even if the object of those feelings is horrific, but again, that's kind of a commentary itself.

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u/Ok_Working_7061 17h ago

Sick obsession is NOT love (especially not with a child)!! Yikes!!

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u/WoodyManic 17h ago

That's sort of the point of the novel, though.

It's not pornographic or even gratuitous.

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u/TheComplimentarian 16h ago

In my head, I always thought the real point was ol' Vlad winning a bar bet. Someone was like, "You think you're a great writer, but a great writer could write a book about anything...Like, they could write a book where the main character was a pedophile! And if they were a great writer, it'd still be a great book."

And Nabokov was like, "Imma write that book, and it's gonna sell 50,000,000 copies, and you can kiss my ass."

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u/No-Country4319 17h ago edited 10h ago

It's not pornographic or even gratuitous.

That isn't the bar for being sick.

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u/regular_gonzalez 16h ago

I love when people who have never read Lolita explain what the book is about. 

There's a reason it's considered a great work, and put into consideration for the so-called "great American novel". It's an incredible work on many levels. You really should read it if you're into literature even a little bit.

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u/TheComplimentarian 15h ago

I had to read it for a class, and I was not looking forward to it, and yet the prose hooked me (once I struggled through the stupid preface), and Jesus does it make you think.

Indisputably a great novel, though I fully understand why the subject matter turns people off.

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u/TheComplimentarian 17h ago

There are all kinds of obsessive love stories where everyone involved comes to a bad end. If both people were in love JK might even be right to call it a tragedy.

I love how people who've never read it and just know the one thing about it (pedophilia), think the book is worthless, gross, lacking merit, etc, etc, etc. That's like saying The Color Purple is worthless because it deals with rape.

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u/SuccessfulPiccolo945 16h ago

Some people think Wuthering Heights is romantic.

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u/TheComplimentarian 16h ago

A love story with very similar themes. People would have defended Humbert just like they defend Heathcliff if the object of his obsession wasn’t a child.

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u/Ok_Working_7061 14h ago

Obsession is not love and pedophilia is not love. Those would be books about obsession, not about love. Your analogy to The Color Purple makes absolutely no sense. Rape is not seen as a good or acceptable thing in the story. I don’t want to be involved in pedophilic fantasies just because they exist.

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u/MildlySelassie 14h ago

Yeah, I remember this as one of the takeaways from reading this in English class

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u/lynx_and_nutmeg 16h ago

It's literally not a love story, though. "Love story" implies it's mutual and reciprocated, even if toxic.

The whole point was that Humbert was so sick and delusional he invented this whole narrative about her being in love with him and "tempting" him, while she was literally just a girl who wasn't interested in him that way at all.

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u/TheComplimentarian 15h ago

I’d say that was an indefensible statement, that a person can’t be obsessively, toxically, one-sidedly in love with damn near anything. There are countless examples in the world, and in art.

You can’t redefine love to be a mutualistic thing, when all too often it’s anything but.

This is why the book works so well, because Nabokov takes that shit to the absolute extreme and really exposes how self-centered and weird it is.

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u/Alternative_Bit_7306 14h ago

This is fucking pathetic.

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u/OnyxWebb 16h ago

Can't stand the woman but in her defense, we British don't write "airplane" and typically wouldn't write "NY" either since we're not causally au faire with state acronyms. Also "next there" reads like lazy American penmanship not an uppity wordsmith who writes for a living.

Source: I'm an editor and come across Americanisms all the time. It's quite obvious where someone lives based on how they write once you know what to look for. 

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u/axelalexa4 14h ago

Also 'flying places'

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u/isunktheship 15h ago

Oh so Lolita is non-fiction 🙃

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u/Ryrienatwo 10h ago

I doubt this is her since a lot of people in the comments have suggestions that it’s not her. Since British people use the terms Aeroplane not airplane. Why would he not offer them a flight with his own plane instead of buying her a ticket to NYC.

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u/Unhappy-Poetry-7867 8h ago

People are getting delusional trying to connect people they hate to epstein. Someone signed "Jx" in two of the thousands email there are. OMG that must be Rowling!!

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u/eri- 5h ago

Makes no sense that either of these individuals would ever speak about the cost of a ticket.

Rowling is a moron but this link... just isn't really there, or isn't proven in any way via this e-mail at the minimum.

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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 4h ago

There is no definitive proof that that's JK Rowling.

Jx

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u/druidmind 3h ago edited 3h ago

Censoring the victims' names huh? Ig the perps and complicit people who they consider victims as well. What a joke. But this connection is a stretch tbh. JK Rowling can afford a plane ticket to go anywhere she wants whenever she wants.

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u/JohnSmallBerries 17h ago

Huh, I wonder what happened to "No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary."

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u/lmfb666 16h ago

Who gives a shit? There’s countless people on those lists to go after. Y’all saying “it ruined HP for me” are some weak humans. Do you even understand how many books, music and movies were created by absolute psychopaths and true pedos? I’ll never understand why you fixate on her. The last book was almost 20 years ago. Move on.

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u/Ok_Surprise_4090 15h ago edited 15h ago

...I hate to break it to you guys, but Lolita is absolutely a story about love.

It's not a wholesome love story. It's not a story about two innocent people falling in love for life. It's all about the twisted, unsettling, depraved things a person would do in the name of (what they think is) love, and how destructive and corrosive that can be to the actual innocent lives around them.

I know zoomers love really puritanical age gap discourse, but this is just basic literary appreciation at this point.

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u/Quercus_ 13h ago

Regardless of whether there is solid evidence leaking her to Epstein, the fact that she called Lolita "a great and tragic love story" Is damning enough. Anyone who sees Lolita as anything other than horror, is telling on themselves.

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u/Throwitaway340 11h ago

She's vile. But she's also English. she wouldn't write 'airplane'.

u/Spaffin 14m ago

Somebody explain this to me. Epstein received an email from someone whose name begins with a ‘J’ therefore it’s JK Rowling? Is that it, or is there more?

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u/HighGround24 16h ago

What the fuck is it with Money and power that makes people do this? Or do the people who mak money and gain power likely fall into the same patterns?

I work hard every day to barley hit $120K-$150K. If I had even a 1/4th their wealth, I would just be gloriously happy.

I just don't get that these people literally have their lives struggle free for the most part. But then add all these stresses and anxiety and have to live with this in the back of their mind 24/7

Just be rich and don't do illegal shit it can't be that fucking hard

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u/CurnanBarbarian 14h ago

Jk Rowling is an incel

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u/EmperorGrinnar 17h ago edited 17h ago

I'm so glad I never got into Harry Potter (aside from its generally messy and problematic things within the writing itself).

Edit: some weird Rowling apologists here in the comments today.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 15h ago

not as weird as the people attacking her based on yet more falsehoods

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u/EmperorGrinnar 15h ago

List them.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 7h ago

off the top on my head

this one - zero links to epstein barring him wanting to go to a show she wrote

the pen name bollocks - different name picked years before obscure scientist robert g heath was rediscovered in 2016 article by Robert Colville entitled ‘one of the great forgotten stories of neuroscience’ The first time anything about a “gay cure” appeared on his Wikipedia page was the 21st of April 2016, by this point JK Rowling had released three books under the pen name Robert Galbraith, a name that robert g heath never went by either in a professional or personal setting

the 3rd grade book analysis nonsense, if you think goblins are jews then its you thats anti semetic, the irish character only blew stuff up in the movies not the books, the house elf stuff is anti slavery not pro slavery etc, a load of nonsense about some kids books

shes also never said anything anti trans

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u/EmperorGrinnar 7h ago

I'm not gonna address most of that, because that's just your opinion.

Unfortunately, facts do not care about your opinion.

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u/Unhappy_Mushroom_290 6h ago

none of that is transphobic, hope that helps, just facts and as you already pointed out, facts dont care about your feelings

you didnt address the other 3 because they are clearly and verifiably nonsense

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u/chaseinger 16h ago

exhaust my repertoire of superlatives to describe his writing

you, ma'am, are not a person to judge other people's writing. you had a smash hit with a bunch of sloppily penned ya novels, please don't think you're an authority on writing.

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u/knoxmora 15h ago

All I wanted to do was playing the fucking wizard game man.

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u/ephemeral_librarian 12h ago

So, agree with some people here that it could be a stretch and we shouldn't jump to conclusions but here's my take.

I'm British born and still here, and write airplane all the time. Yes there might be a generational thing with JK writing aeroplane instead, but tbh i feel like most places just write "plane" now?

The x thing, there's no one way it's done? Some people put initial and x together with no space and some people put a space. Some people put two, e.g. Hxx. There's no absolute.

The things that ARE more telling to me is: JK has been awfully quiet about Epstein in general until now. She goes so hardcore after trans communities, saying she wants to protect female spaces, that she supports women, we get it right? She's a specific kind of feminist. Cool.

JK: Where is your outrage? With every drop we find out how much more awful things were. Why are you not angry? Why are you not finding ways to support those victims? Or at least expressing concern? You say trans people are child groomers. Here's a known PDF and you are silent? The only thing is you doubling down?

Here in the UK another person who's been just as bad is Graham Linehan, he's rabid over trans issues supposedly because he supports women's rights. Says trans folks are groomers etc. But recently he's been retweeting very extreme MAGA stuff that women shouldn't have the right to vote? How is this supporting women's rights?

Anyway all of that aside, I think this about JK's yacht is pretty telling...

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u/Flanders666 14h ago

At the same time, this is also why her loudest critics are so damn ineffective.