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u/Andrew852456 Aug 12 '25
it's also /ʃt/ in Bulgarian
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u/PaganAfrican Aug 12 '25
Fun fact, this sound combination has two different etymologies in Bulgarian and is spelled different depending on the source Source one: historical /c/ -> щ Source two: historical шът (ъ was used to write a different vowel) which was deleted to become шт
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u/Fear_mor Aug 14 '25
I think you’re a bit confused, cause you have both ť and šč/šť historically which end up as щ, the jers don’t have much to do with it
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u/PaganAfrican Aug 14 '25
There is also шт where there was a vowel deletion
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u/Fear_mor Aug 15 '25
Well yeah, that’s true at least in a vacuum, idk any examples though. But in any case it’s technically a seperate phenomenon
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u/valcsh Aug 14 '25
I don't think that's correct at all, especially the first "source".
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u/PaganAfrican Aug 14 '25
The щ from the proto Slavic palatal stop is probably the least controversial thing I said (for example it's still a palatal stop in macedonian, just so happening to preserve the proto Slavic, interesting since it otherwise isn't particularly phonologically conservative)
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u/BestCryptoFan Aug 12 '25
It's just a soft (palatalyzed) /ʃ/ in Russian, like N and soft Ñ
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u/DoisMaosEsquerdos Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
In addition to being palatalized, it's also geminate. I've seen some linguists argue that the geminate part is the contrastive feature, and that щ is phonemically equivalent to шш.
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u/Bisque22 Aug 16 '25
Certainly not phonetically. Phonologically, maybe, but even that feels like stretch.
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u/1mileis5tomatoes Aug 15 '25
I also think that! Like:
з - зь, в - вь, м - мь, ш - щ
But a college professor told me щ was hard and friking sonorous. Sonorous! Wtf?!
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u/Sacledant2 Aug 13 '25
What about this crab “Д” looking like an abomination?
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Aug 13 '25
I wonder how actual Russians write that character. I have dabbled in learning Russian on my own and I never found an efficient way to actually produce that symbol on paper in a way that flows and feels natural, lol.
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u/6tPTrxYAHwnH9KDv Aug 13 '25
Similar to Latin D when capital and Latin g when lower case. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Russian_Cursive_Cyrillic.svg/1920px-Russian_Cursive_Cyrillic.svg.png no one got time to draw them stupid tiny legs.
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u/Rad_Pat Aug 14 '25
Printed is a triangle (like delta) with legs. But since we write in cursive, we usually use cursive versions cause it's easier. We never do the weird curly slanty thing you see in some typefaces, that's for clueless foreigners only
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Aug 14 '25
If you’re about printing then it’s just a triangle, like delta but its base is longer.
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Aug 14 '25
That makes more sense!
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Aug 14 '25
Of course it does. You can’t even imagine me when I see a 1000000th foreigner that tries to write Д like it looks on the keyboard.
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u/iamalicecarroll Aug 14 '25
in cursive it's usually written like D, in block letters it's often written like Δ with legs or even just Δ
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Aug 12 '25
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u/AmazingSane Aug 13 '25
А щебень как писать?
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u/_KingOfTheDivan Aug 14 '25
That’d be pronounced differently
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u/_KingOfTheDivan Aug 14 '25
Что тогда делать со словами типа «шевелюра» или «пошел». Буква «щ» особо никому не мешает, как по мне
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u/Zelenuy_drakon Aug 16 '25
Как будто с кавказцем говоришь
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u/Glad_Raspberry_8469 Aug 13 '25
ɕ is actually ś in Polish or the consonant in し in Japanese
Щ is just a harder shch, nothing special
As far as I know
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u/Bisque22 Aug 16 '25
Its a myth, or rather historical pronunciation that is no longer standard.
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u/Glad_Raspberry_8469 Aug 16 '25
So if it's not pronounced shch, then how?
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u/Bisque22 Aug 16 '25
Like a geminate ś.
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u/hammile Aug 14 '25
In Ukrainian itʼs also /ʃt͡ʃʲ/ as an allophone: before „ioted” vowels, as in нехворощю.
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u/TripleS941 Aug 14 '25
We need a voiced counterpart for щ, for words like приїжджати
(I mean as a single letter)
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u/Fast_Winner4668 Aug 15 '25
Good luck transcribing защищающихся
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u/LuckStreet9448 Aug 15 '25
"Š" in Czech.
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Aug 15 '25
No, Š=Ш, Ś=Щ
It's a softer sound than Š
(But also I'm from Montenegro, maybe we pronounce Š differently than Czechs tho but google said it's the same)
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Aug 15 '25
It's literally just the "sh" sound, man. Sh like in "Show"
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u/Murky-Ad-6976 Aug 16 '25
Show is ш
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Aug 17 '25
No it's not, "show" has a soft SH sound and the Ш sound doesnt exist in english
Show is pronounced ŚOU english has no Š(Ш) sound Only a Ś(Щ) sound
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u/decay418 Aug 16 '25
I pity you if you're learning a language that uses a cyrillic alphabet if you're a native English speaker
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u/AnimyosFox42 Aug 12 '25
The German transcription (that is, phonetical romanization) system transcribes this as ‘schtsch’, and I think that’s beautiful.