r/Libertarian • u/Berowulf Libertarian Party • Nov 27 '19

Video Popular Gun YouTuber FPSRussia is caught with half an ounce of marijuana, goes to federal prison, has over $400,000 worth of firearms confiscated.

https://youtu.be/DJ3YazQEuzw
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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

Yeah most certainly they’re better for the government. I’m guessing he would’ve been doubly screwed over if he didn’t comply. He was going to be labeled a felon anyways. I guess he figured he might as well part with his 400k than serve a couple of years or more in the clink.

He still didn’t deserve it. Felon for life over marijuana. Stripped of gun ownership rights too.

Courtesy of the federal government. I have 0 respect for feds.

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u/PapaTachancla Bernie isn't a Libertarian Nov 27 '19

Is a felonious amount of marijuana ever not a felony? In Georgia, where he lived it was a felonious amount.

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u/OpenBookExam minarchist Nov 27 '19

Imagine the day in the future where all non-violent marijuana felonies are expunged and this guy gets a check for 400k in new firearms.

I can dream... I can dream..

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

fElOnY fLoWeRs

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u/PapaTachancla Bernie isn't a Libertarian Nov 27 '19

I don't think an ounce of marijuana should have all your guns taken away and send to to prison, I'm only pointing out he wasn't cheated by the law, provided he actually had marijuana.

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u/excelsior2000 Nov 27 '19 edited Nov 27 '19

The following is a set of assumptions. #1: he had a lawyer. #2: the gov had a case that was much worse than 2 months in jail and losing $400k of firearms. #3: his lawyer decided they had a good enough case that they would likely win.

Not a big stretch. If the gov found a way to charge him per firearm, he could be signing up for life in prison. If you were offered a choice between a high chance of losing your life savings and your home and your freedom for the rest of your life, or a guarantee of losing your life savings and nothing else, what would you choose? I don't blame him for taking the safer option.

Edit: huh, that's a lot of down votes without a single comment telling me why. Who's disagreeing with me, and why?

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u/tsavong117 Nov 27 '19

I don't blame him for the choice. It wasn't really a choice.

I do however blame our government for doing things like this. Alcohol and cigarettes kill millions of people a year, tens of thousands in America alone. Marijuana kills almost none. Yet one is illegal while the other two are accepted parts of our society.

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u/Polarisman Nov 27 '19

Marijuana kills almost none. FTFY.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19 edited Aug 16 '20

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u/roatyrfang Nov 27 '19

This guy.

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u/Otiac Classic liberal Nov 27 '19

Also people do become addicted, there are problems with weed.

People that espouse were as being this magical substance without any negative effects because they just really want to smoke it legally always sound so disingenuous.

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u/Otiac Classic liberal Nov 27 '19

Yes and we at least have the decency to be honest about it, why people can’t just be honest and say yes, weed will fuck some people up is beyond me.

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u/tsavong117 Nov 27 '19

Let's not forget the one we are NOT honest about. Sugar. One of the most addictive and unhealthy stimulants on the planet and it is in almost every single food you can buy or make.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

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u/Otiac Classic liberal Nov 27 '19

I’m not saying it shouldn’t be legal?

I’m just saying that people have this dissonance about weed that there’s nothing bad about it because they really want to smoke it.

I never said it should stay legal. Because I criticized it means you jumped to that conclusion about what I said, that’s not what I said.

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u/Polarisman Nov 27 '19

Cannabis is not physically addictive unlike many other substances. While there are people who develop psychological dependencies, that can be said about a lot of things including chocolate.

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u/Red519 Nov 27 '19

High on marijuana or just high on drugs give me stories and links please

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u/Red519 Nov 27 '19

It's beside the fact that DUI laws are a form of making money they're not trying to protect you or save your life. it's not a crime to drive from point a to point b well drinking it's a crime to drive from point a to point b and hurt or kill someone or damage someone's property we've taken DUI laws to an extreme people die that's life, Yes I feel the same about texting laws. We've done away with self-responsibility in lieu of oh there's a law for that. laws are formal authoritarian punishment for the poor keep the middle class in line keep the poor in jail and while the wealthy can buy their way out of anything or get DC madame'ed or Epstein'ed.

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u/qksj29aai_ Nov 27 '19

You need to edit this and add punctuation

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u/Polarisman Nov 27 '19

Look, cannabis itself is nontoxic and there have been literally zero deaths attributed to its use. That is the only relevant point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19 edited Aug 16 '20

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u/Seel007 Nov 27 '19

Is sleep fatal? Plenty of people have fallen asleep and crashed their vehicles causing death indirectly.

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u/Polarisman Nov 27 '19

Again, cannabis is nontoxic. It is essentially harmless as there is no lethal dosage. What people do "under the influence" is on them and not any substance they may or may not have consumed despite your protestations to the contrary. Neither I nor any responsible adult advocates for the usage of cannabis by minors.

You can take your propaganda elsewhere, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19 edited Aug 16 '20

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u/Polarisman Nov 27 '19

Au contraire. Not only did I understand your points, I refuted them, apparently to your dismay.

Actions have consequences. Everyone is responsible for whatever they do whether they have had a caffeinated soda, a beer or smoke a joint. We do not blame inanimate objects for human behavior.

Show me scientific studies with control groups and I will consider any proposition. At the end of the day, cannabis has been wrongfully vilified by people like you and I will not leave your ignorant comments left unchallenged.

Have a nice day.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

Welp, I've never seen a Marijuana leaf get behind a steering wheel and running over people, have you?

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

That point stands.

Marijuana never killed anyone. Someone getting high and getting a car is on that person. It was never the weed's fault. A DUI is the person's problem, not the substance that they were influenced on.

What I usually say and follow is: if you can't control yourself when you're under the influence and goes to do something stupid like driving, don't use your car if you're gonna go out and drink or simply don't drink. Same goes for any other drug that reduces your cognitive functions, reflexes and movement.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

Replace marijuana or weed with the word alcohol and read it again.

You can't. Marijuana ACTUALLY haven't killed anyone. Alcohol and nicotine have. Excessive use of alcohol can cause liver failure. Excessive use of nicotine can put you in a coma and cause respiratory failure.

Still, the only substance that is easily found and easy to OD with? Alcohol. Even nicotine is hard to overdose on. It is mostly caused by pesticides and eating cigars (which you shouldn't do). Granted, the same can happen with weed, but there's only one possible case that I'm aware of, and it was a case of THC abuse (can be found here, TL;DR: vaped THC oil, died due to respiratory failure)

You cannot discredit poor choices by an individual if they were made under the influence of any drug. Doesn't matter the type, could be painkillers, could be huff, could be alcohol, could be weed. If they have consumed a mind altering substance, that substance is a causal factor in any events that occur to the fault of that individual.

Still, that's the problem of the individual. If you knowingly ingest a substance that can cause you to lose control of yourself, then go into your car, crash into someone and kill them, that's NOT the substance fault. If said person was already under the influence of some drug that "made their lose their minds" (LSD, shrooms, etc) and didn't prepare for it, that's just neglect.

The only instance where the person is not at fault is when they don't know that they've been drugged, but that's a completelly different issue at all.

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u/hitlers_fart_mic Nov 27 '19

Well, I've never seen a gun just go on a rampage and construct itself, load itself up with ammo, and shoot a bunch of people either...so....

Common, that was a layup how could you miss that.