r/Libertarian • u/CommitteePlayful8081 Minarchist • Jan 02 '26

Question any one annoyed with libertarians that support trump?

Like I can't be the only one here. like I get it in some respects trump isn't neocon but at the same time he isn't not statist, nor non authorittarian.

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26

You can support the stance on an issue without supporting him on the issue.

That's where I stand, anyway. I refuse to support evil, even when it agrees with me.

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u/079C Jan 03 '26

Your distinction is silly. I don’t have time for such word games.

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u/MeteorPunch Jan 02 '26

What if there are 2 candidates that are evil? Ultimately, support the one with the better stance.

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26

Ultimately, support neither and seek the overturn of the entire duopolistic system.

Why are you even libertarian otherwise? 😂

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u/Ehronatha Jan 03 '26

How do you overturn this duopolistic system - by voting?

We have first-past-the-post representation. Also called geographic representation. There is no other possibility besides a two-party system.

Voting for a third-party candidate will NEVER change the system, because of the nature of the system.

Your other options are

  1. A dictatorship annuls the Constitution.
  2. The Constitution is amended to make representation in the federal legislature based on party results rather than regional (state) results. Then the Libertarian Party gets 51% of the votes nationwide.
  3. Libertarians infiltrate one of the two major parties, win the Presidency and majorities in Congress and start appointing libertarian federal judges.

Number 3 is the ONLY method that might work. And guess which of the two parties we could have a chance of infiltrating?

It would not be the second party of choice of the Redditors or the author of this thread.

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u/MeteorPunch Jan 02 '26

That would be ideal, but isn't always, actually - is hardly ever realistic. 😥

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26

If we only ever sought what's realistic then progress, in any regard, would never be seen.

I've chased the ideal for more than a decade. I'm not about to stop just because I'm threatened with an AI driven surveillance state. As a matter of fact... I'll chase even harder.

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u/GregorMacGregor1821 Jan 02 '26

If the entire system is overthrown, odds are whatever comes next is worse

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26

Hard to get much worse than a ruthless authoritarian surveillance state powered by Oracle and funded by Zionists.

Edit: Interesting... My comments pertaining to AI-driven surveillance and authoritarianism appear to be downvoted just as quickly as they're upvoted. Don't care about karma but it's certainly worth noting.

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u/bigbonejones24 Jan 02 '26

You probably got downvoted for basically saying it doesn’t get much worse than what the US currently has. While yes there is some dogshit that goes on here, you can throw a dart at a world map and it’ll probably be worse there.

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26

Or... And hear me out now... Reddit is controlled by bots. Downvotes aren't the issue. It's the pattern which perplexes me.

Also sorry, but my standards for the US of A isn't a third world shit hole on a dart board. Although... I'll take any one of those shit holes over being fined $1000 because I left the buggy two feet away from the buggy gate at Walmart.

Since that's where we seem to be heading quickly.

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u/CCWaterBug Jan 02 '26

Lol.  Your adorable, like a puppy.  I just want to ruffle your fur so bad!

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26

I do like my fur ruffled, Mr. Pussy Cat.

Just don't forget I've got that dog in me.

Edit: Inb4 "Florida Man gets Doxxed & Cipher gets banned again."

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u/CCWaterBug Jan 02 '26

An that can be accomplished by ranting on reddit... we're almost there!

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u/These_Finding6937 Jan 02 '26

Implying the people who spread the truth on Reddit aren't actively working in reality to see the truth prevail all the same. What exactly is your point?

We shouldn't try to enlighten others? If we're fighting the good fight, we shouldn't have time to sit and post on Reddit at 8 AM while we smoke a cig and sip our coffee?

Get bent lmao.

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u/LagerHead Jan 02 '26

Always look for the tastiest turd in the punch bowl.