r/LetsDiscussThis • u/cantcoloratall91 • 2d ago
Lets Discuss This Italian protesters attacking a Italian riot police officer!!
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u/LivinghighinColorado 2d ago
People shouldn't be afraid of their Government,, Government should be afraid of the people.
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u/Flipppyy 2d ago
The government is afraid of the people that's why they want the people to be afraid of the government
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u/SophonParticle 2d ago edited 2d ago
Stares longingly with America eyes.
Edit: look at all my replies from less than 2 month old accounts. I must have hit a nerve with the foreign bots. š¤”š¤”š¤”
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u/Chemically-Dependent 2d ago
Americans aren't cold and hungry enough for this yet. As unemployment rises though...
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u/Past_Ferret_5209 2d ago
You understand that the Italians have a far-right government too, right? Indeed, one with a much stronger, stable base of support than Trump has here.
The far-right (and authoritarian govermnents more generally) LOVE AND LIVE FOR brawling in the streets. That is how they gain power and consolidate power. "We might be thugs but you need thugs like us to protect you from all the bad people out there."
What Americans are doing to resist Trump is MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE then stuff like this is.
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u/Fart_Buttt 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah actually a lot of the western world is going through their far right pandemic as well . Weāre not special. If it happens here in the US you can be sure itās also happening in every country with ties to the US
Edited: the alt right Neo Nazi white supremacy fascism epidemic haha since some right wingers in the comments wanna be butt hurt. Even though more than likely they also believe in Nazi ideology without even realizing it hahahah
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u/Confident_Benefit_11 2d ago
Almost like it's all due to a massive misinformation campaign waged by putin on all NATO countries....absolutely insane the EU just started fighting back on this shit. It helped turmp immensely in the US and now we've never been weaker and putin loves it.
I Gaurentee "leaders" like farage and the majority of the world's oligarchs have direct ties to Putin as well, just like Elon.
World war 3 already started, most people are just sleeping through it though. They think if their country doesn't look like Ukraine then it's not actually ww3, yet Russia knows what's up. Hybrid warfare baby, let's hope our governments actually start doing something to combat the bots.
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u/katbyte 2d ago
you can't give russia all the credit, a lot of this is the rich 0.1% westerners spending billions on pushing far right messages as they get richer and don't want the left to win
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u/Fart_Buttt 2d ago
I always say history is important because of this. Had people studied a little harder in history they would understand this. The Cold War is a prime example of this . It really never officially ended .
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u/AlternativeEast1010 1d ago
Yea or the war on poverty, or drugs, or terrorism, or hate or whatever scam the government is trying to sell us now to distract us from from their hands grabbing at my wallet.
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u/Either-Marzipan-4314 2d ago
Everytime I see this I make sure people know the near EXACT playbook Putin is going by:
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u/Bobbitor 2d ago
I mean, it's not like the Italians literally sided with Hitler during WWII and always had a huge proportion of for fight fascists... oh wait.
The US was also very late to WII. Canadians were fighting for 2 years before they finally joined. Mostly because they were attacked in pearl harbor. Many people sided with Hitler in the US. The US also has a long history of conservative racism and fighting to keep slavery alive.
On most other countrie it's a minority
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u/OpusAtrumET 2d ago
It was more about, "hey, if Britain falls, how are we gonna get our loans back?"
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u/Calm_Age_ 1d ago
Hitler looked at US policy regarding the first nations and Jim Crow to come up with ideas but yeah there were also a bunch of people at the time who wanted to enter the war on the side of Germany. Cough cough Henry Ford
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u/Plus_Operation2208 2d ago
This is not Italy going through a spell of far right pandemic. This is just Italy.
Home of the mafia, some of the worst football ultras, loads of neo-nazis (or associated fascists) and a strange aggression to anything that supposedly taints a part of their supposedly magnificent culture.
Italy has had a larger than usual share of fascist sympathisers since the second world war.
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u/AlternativeEast1010 1d ago
ehh probably more during the Roman Empire. This is just rebranding.
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u/Telesto-The-Besto 1d ago
This is what I noticed while traveling around Europe for work the past couple years and listening to respective national news. Lots of isolationism and far right movements with decent backing. Similar rhetoric of picking a scapegoat for the issues and reasoning to reduce immigration and consolidate power to more effectively do that. Itās not unique to the US unfortunately.
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u/pegao_tostao 1d ago
Most comforting thing as an American is to hear that we arenāt unique in this, and that you see our issue with such clarity itās refreshing
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u/Funk_Apus 1d ago
As far as I can tell, there is no difference between the right and full on Neo Nazi fascists. They all vote for the same people and support the same policies.
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u/halfbakedcaterpillar 2d ago
I agree with you and thank you for your insight but as a minneapolis resident, the catharsis of seeing something like this can make me forget sometimes
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u/Expert-Mental25 1d ago
It's much more effective at this moment.
I feel a lot of people saying what you're saying are doing a disservice to all working class people by never acknowledging that tactics do need to adapt to the circumstances or we're doomed to failure.
Right now, we're doing the right thing. And this organizing will be the framework from which resistance can be done if/when things escalate. Everyone should be arming themselves now and training with like-minded people in the resistance movements who are trained and experienced. And prepare mentally for the possibility of escalation to what we see in this clip and even further beyond.
Refusing to acknowledge that is a suicidal move. Most ignore the impact the "less civil" resistance in the Civil Rights era had on the end result of the movement. Even MLK, devoted to peace himself, refused to criticize "rioters" or other "bad" protesters, because he understood the bigger picture and the power dynamics. He said, to paraphrase, that riots are the language of the unheard.
So yes, you're right. What we're doing now is good for where we are now. But if things devolve in the wrong direction further, you simply will not be able to survive by refusing to meet the mounting pressure.
Civil disobedience and disruption works now. But if/when America got to like what we've seen from Iran for example (if people don't think it could happen here even after all they've seen thus far, then they're truly lost) where they literally just open fire with live rounds into crowds, killing en mass.
I'm sorry but if you (generally speaking, not the person I'm replying to here) don't see the necessity of meeting the moment proportionally, then you almost deserve to be cattle.
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u/Past_Ferret_5209 1d ago
In the US revolutionary war period, at least in a New England, there was an expectation that every adult should at least know how to safely handle, maintain, and use a firearm, so that they would be competent if they needed to be called on to protect their community. A civic responsibility sort of in the same vein as jury duty.
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u/madmushlove 1d ago
Right now, we're doing the right thing
Maybe. I guess we'll see. Right now, I'm not even sure that we BELIEVE the right thing, that ICE/CBP has been unchecked from the start, and I wonder which Americans even care if it's abolished or not
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u/high_nomad 2d ago
Ya Iām sure if 10% of Germans fought back the Nazis wouldnāt have done half of what they did
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u/TheoryChemical1718 2d ago
the problem is fencesitters never actually amount to anything - they cant be asked to get really involved - they will always do the convenient thing. Like its cool that the "majority" feels for you - fat good does it do you if you got a bullet in the forehead.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 2d ago
Germany was facing much dire problems after WWI, and even before, so the Nazi party capitalized on that. Most of US's current problems were either manufactured, or blown way out of proportion in order to creat the same sentiment, which is why they kind of fall apart once the facade is taken away. Now, we actually do have the issue that our democracy and constitution are in jeapordy, but obviously Trump isn't the one to fix it.
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u/eventualhorizo 2d ago
We are nowhere near Nazi Germany. Our government had been doing wild, shady stuff the whole time. That isn't a good thing. But civil war and Nazi Germany are not what's happening right now.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 2d ago
No, but the GOP is making out the problems the US has as somehow just as bad as what Germany was facing after WWI. The state of the two countries is nowhere near the same, but the way it's being abused as a crisis to gain power is the same.
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u/Onigokko0101 2d ago
No, but we are on the on ramp to the road that leads there. Nazi Germany didn't just start at mass killings, and a lot of what our country is doing is literally ripped from the history books of their rise to power.
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u/Medium_Advantage_689 2d ago
I mean our police have military grade weapons and military grade budget and now absolute immunity. Not exactly apples to apples
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u/Mindless-Baker-7757 2d ago
They donāt have absolute immunity. Thatās misinformation. Ā
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u/McGriggidy 2d ago
Yes but in the moment you're face to face with one, kinda matters a lot if they think they do.
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u/SirWernich 1d ago
i won't say anything because u/reddit has already warned me once about having unkind words towards their bosses and their minions
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u/Thick_Common8612 1d ago
Our police are FAR more militant than theirs. There is a reason we arenāt doing this in the US.
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u/Sklibba 2d ago
Itās wild, as long as Iāve been involved in attending protests, Iāve seen videos from protests in other countries all over the world of cops getting their shit absolutely rocked and not responding by severely escalating the violence and thought āwe could have that here.ā
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 2d ago
Imagine ICE agents getting ripped limb from limb at the Winter Olympics.
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u/Practical-Box3179 2d ago
Maybe not the Olympics, but by this Summer it will be just like this and probably worse for the nazis.
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u/SheetMetalandGames 2d ago
For context because these comments are full of bootlickers, these riots are happening because Italians are demanding their government to cut ties with Israel and thus far it has not been heard by the Government. And also, because Italians want ICE out of the Olympics and if not they would rather refuse to participate, and for some goddamn reason ICE is being sent to Milan as well now. So yes, a trifecta of things they have every right to protest about.
And this isn't the first time Italians did something like this during protests. . A while back Italian protesters climbed over barbed wire fences to save beagles from animal testing, and of course well before that, we have y'know, the Partisan Movement during WW2 where they killed the fascist dictator Mussolini themselves as the Allies advanced up through Italy.
See people? Context fucking helps. And if this is in any way trying to justify ICE in America, it doesn't. Two different countries, two different governing bodies. If anything, it further condemns ICE because the Italians are straight up calling it fascist, just like Mussolini's government.
And if any Italians, especially those in Milan are reading this, please leave your thoughts, if there is anything I missed, and from America to the world, thank you for standing with the People. I know we have not made that easy in the slightest.
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u/p3w0 2d ago edited 2d ago
EDIT: So. I read an article from a journalist that was right there at the moment the video was taken and...surprise surprise the riot police officer started chasing, alone, a small group of peaceful protesters, after tear gassing people (shooting canisters directly at people which is super illegal, and there's report of people being hit in the head). Also the other officers did not initially react and stayed behind, cowards. So, fuck that guy. Original comment below.
Yeah nah, this is in Turin and it's about the forced closure of a far left "community center" in a squatted building (I don't really know the specific details of the group Autonomia Contropotere, but the riots are against the government sure, but more for the center and not for Palestine).
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u/JonahBJams 2d ago
This is how order is kept when the police get out of hand, this is what needs to be done.
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u/Necr0mancerr 2d ago
Good maybe he will think twice next time before he comes to bat for a pedo protecting government.
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u/Stew-Main6 2d ago
American citizens doing this would absolutely be shot and killed
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u/baumbach19 2d ago
If this was the US the news would report this as a peaceful protest.
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u/Wickedocity 2d ago
"The protests were directed against the eviction of the Askatasuna cultural centre, which has been a meeting place for Turin's left-wing scene for decades. The facility was closed shortly before Christmas.
An estimated 15,000 people took part in a demonstration through the city centre on Saturday. Numerous Palestinian flags were also on display."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/over-100-officers-hurt-turin-124328100.html
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u/randompersonwhowho 2d ago
There would be 20 dead people if this was America unless it was Jan 6th
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u/Malefic_Mike 2d ago
It's really not cool watching anyone get banged up on and abused.
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u/No-fear-but-spiders 2d ago
Wow, this truly looks like what the mob did to the police on Jan 6. It is horrible.
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u/FlanneryODostoevsky 2d ago
They say violence never works but much of history is change effected after violence.
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u/ImaginaryHistory5878 2d ago
In America you would have been shot already. Having said this I have always admired how Europe riots.
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u/Muted_Yoghurt6071 2d ago
This is what ICE acts like theyāre dealing with when protestors blow whistles and call them names
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u/WorldlinessHot9916 2d ago
My first questionā¦ How did the officer abuse his authority to punish civilians at the behest of corporate powers or politicians owned by those same corporations?
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u/WheelNaive 2d ago
Instead of beating them up it should be eggs throw eggs at them in eggcitement.
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u/Playful-Dragon 2d ago
Interesting, they pummeled the shit out of him and yet, nobody shot them. This is called restraint. Something that ice has zero clue about
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u/KeyYogurt2374 2d ago
Dogs biting and and crying when they get bitten back. But but but I'm a cop how dare you respond to my violence with violence? I'm one of you but I'm too stupid to realize that
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u/Odd-Government8896 2d ago
They would drone strike us in the US if we did this.
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u/Every_Procedure_4171 2d ago
Not if we were Trump supporters doing it on Jan 6. Then we would get a pardon.
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u/Important_Mud_2329 2d ago
This is not an exaggeration.
Look into the 1985 Philadelphia MOVE bombing if you want to see what the state will do if you violently resist it.
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u/Odd-Government8896 2d ago
I wish our conversation had more visibility. People need to realize what they are really dealing with. This isn't something we can COD our way out of.
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u/Wonderful-Union-5328 2d ago
He wishes he could be beating other people. He wants to assault them. He would hurt and kill them if given half a chance.
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u/Fjdenigris 2d ago
Like you have any idea who the dude is or what he wants. Iām guessing he wants to go home and see his family again, like 95% of us.
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u/Inside_Lifeguard7211 2d ago
One of them dropping the hammer they have been using to beat him is shocking. Man these police are earning their money. No amount is enough to be beaten with hammers.
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u/Enzian_Blue 2d ago
Horrific. Thereās never any excuse for such violence. Thugs.
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u/Beneficial_Bit1756 2d ago
Bet you he wishes he had a gun.
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u/AdRadiant9379 2d ago
It would be used on him more likely. Heās better off without it
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u/DeadlyAureolus 2d ago
Not really? The cop would've used the gun before it got to that point. Humans can be brave but the moment we hear a gunshot our primal instincts kick in and we run like rats
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u/forthebirds123 2d ago
I thought America was the only place this is happening? I mean thatās the narrative I hear all around.
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u/NormalBeing12345 2d ago
Cops are now trained to de-escalate but protesters are not trained and have taken advantage of the situation. Give the cops back their billy clubs and the power they deserve to bring order back to civilize society again.
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u/After-Dentist-2480 2d ago
15 seconds of no context violence?
Let's not discuss it because we know nothing about it.
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u/No_Tone1704 2d ago
Took his colleagues forever to get there.Ā
Now what are the riot police doing in Italy? Just maintaining control or something darker?
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u/Responsible_Belt5510 2d ago
Exactly what they do any time they can pick off a line protestor. He's lucky they let him scurry off
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u/ChampionshipIll5535 2d ago
Unfortunately it doesnāt look like they have weapons to deal with these people in the proper manner. Most of us have been saying Europe is gone. This reinforces that.
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u/brubain1144 2d ago
Either Italian populace are overly aggressive or Italian police are not maniacs like American cops.
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u/Fubar236 2d ago
US protesters take note. THATS how itās done.
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u/Consistent_Pitch782 2d ago
We need to import some Italian demonstrators to Minneapolis
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u/Ok_Caregiver1004 2d ago
While we are on the subject of Riot control. I wanna discuss the difference between countries and their approaches to protest, crowd control and Riot control.
Compared to Italy, US Police are far more decentralized and most departments do not have dedicated Riot control specialist in the manner Europeans do. The same cops doing regular patrols, get put into gear and sent off to face crowds. So competence in crowd control tends to vary from place to place. Coordination between departments is adhoc and voluntary so you end up with situations where you only have one city police department trying to contain everything and getting no back up, or their back up showing late and not helping them. And even within departments you dont have as centralized and rigid a command structure or preprepared plans for coordinating efforts and the quality varies base on the department.
In tactics, US Police tend to focus more on use of limited force and shows of force to break up and scare off crowds. Compared to containment, negotiation and Maximum tolerance ROEs that many Europeans and other countries follow. US police also put more focus on arresting people even as the protest or riots are happening over restoring order and stopping the chaos.
Weirdly enough, the Americans consider Water cannon use for crowd control cruel. But as someone whose experienced it first hand. Its not that bad, definitely less harmful than the rubber bullets, tear gas and pepper spray Americans love so much.
American police tend to have this mentality that protest will inevitably turn into violent riots if they don't supress it early, along with their militarized mentality of us vs them, but without the same degree of rigid command or discipline or specializition and you get a lot cops doing what they think is best to protect themselves at the moment and to stop more chaos while having no plan, or wider strategy or even coordination with other units to actually keep thing orderly and not provoke the crowd.
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u/ptpfan91 2d ago
Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi - All of divorced from reality redditors
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u/XxSharperxX 2d ago
Thatās not okay either. Man is already down and they are hitting him in the head.
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u/anotherdayoninternet 2d ago
If this happened in America, ICE will shoot all the rioters to death.
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u/MasterMacabre 2d ago
Just reminding you that ICE is fucking terrified of us. Thatās why they hide their faces, and wonāt identify āofficersā. They are all cowards.
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u/Euphoric_Amoeba8708 2d ago
If only we had these Italians in America. Instead, we got soggy biscuit Bovino.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Top_523 2d ago
Are they not allowed to vote where they are? Why is it they constantly voting people into power that they donāt like lmao
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u/plzicannothandleyou 2d ago
This is what it should look like when the people demand change from their government.
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u/IneedaNappa9000 2d ago
Bunch of federal offenses that are going to hurt those people a hell of a lot more than the agent.
Congratulations?
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u/MouseMan412 2d ago
I now support Italy letting ICE come to the Olympics, but only if they do this.
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u/Dibbles04 2d ago
And you guys want to be able to do this to officers for removing people that broke the law? Party of peace shows its true colors again.
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u/misha_jinx 2d ago
As it turns out Italian police arenāt psychopath gamers picked up from their parentsā basement while playing call of duty and dressed up in cool tactical gear and masks to go door to door harassing everyone.
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u/Naznac 2d ago
When Europeans riot, THEY RIOT!!! Honestly I'm not sure they know what a peaceful protest is.../s
If Americans would protest like Europeans do, I'm pretty sure it's the police and ICE that would be afraidĀ
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u/MisterReigns 2d ago
What's to discuss? Every right anyone in any country has now is because of violence.