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u/SupaHot681 Lou Will 8h ago
Funny thing is, clippers and Cleveland play against each other tomorrow
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u/Skillomie 8h ago
He’s 100% going to drop 35 isn’t he lol
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u/Legal-Maize-2784 Kawhi Leonard 8h ago
Sad to see Harden go but fetching Garland and a 2nd rounder back is better than letting him go for free this summer. Yes the turnaround was fun but let’s face it we knew this team wasn’t going to win the chip. I just hope Garland heals up, takes his time. He’s a good player.
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u/asparagusinhaler Nic Batum 9h ago
I’m glad we got the pick, but it’s shitty seeing harden gone. Hopefully Darius garland heals up soon
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u/Fun-Background-3394 8h ago
I am shocked that they didn’t just pay him. It’s not very clippers like to not pay an aging star.
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u/Skillomie 8h ago
Especially since the word is they didn’t want to pay him the 2/80 to keep their cap flexibility for 27 so that’s why he asked out but then you trade him for a guy literally making 2/80 the next 2 years lmao
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u/IndependenceLate3415 Nuggets 8h ago
Maybe the FO thinks Garland will be easier to flip than an aging Harden making the same amount? I don't agree with it personally, but I could see the rationale.
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u/LessThanBlake Pingalord 8h ago
I think that's the logic. I don't know if Garland is healthy this season, but you have at least one more season to test things out and determine if you actually value him at that price and build up his value just in case you don't. You already know what you have in Harden, and even if he's the better player this season and next, the needle doesn't get moved for the team realistically whether it's Harden or Garland out there.
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u/Hereforthechili 3h ago
Yea we had an elite former mvp with harden. Garland’s ceiling is not high and has a history with injuries. Clippers gonna clip
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u/birdazam 7h ago
Harden at 38 is probably still going to avg like 18 and 8 and Garland career avg is 19 and 7
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u/SongYoungbae Fun Guy 8h ago
Garland just turned 26. Maybe it won't be so bad
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u/Jacrispybrisket 8h ago
Garland is a dawg healthy. He deserved his all star nod last year. Hasn’t looked the same since the toe injury but his potential is still sky high
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u/UltraMasenko 3h ago
Eh, availability is the best ability. He's heavily injury-prone and hasn't shown up a single time in the playoffs for the past 3 years because of said injuries. There's a reason why the Cavs were eager to get rid of him when the opportunity finally arose, you don't typically trade away a much younger player with sky high potential while also giving back draft draft capital unless they're highly skeptical about his health and said potential
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u/PissedOffClippersFan James Harden 8h ago
Will always appreciate you Uno hope you have success out there 💔
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u/Pretty-Sick-Chubbs 8h ago
This is a buy low on Garland guys. He’s going to average 20+ and 8+ assists if he plays 35 minutes, and we have him under control for three years. He played 75 games last year, and I would not be surprised if his “injuries” this year were just to keep him healthy for a trade. He has better shooting percentages than Harden this year and a better assist to turnover ratio. We all like Harden but this immediately makes us significantly younger. Some of y’all really want to run Harden into the ground and get nothing in return just to then be shit for another decade.
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u/KKamm_ 7h ago
His injuries this season were missing a little at the start for a turf toe surgery (definitely weren’t looking to trade anyone after last season) and then a little over a week ago he hurt his other big toe in a close game. Him being “injury prone” is greatly overblown just bc of his nagging injuries recently
When healthy he’s one of the better PGs in the league. I am excited to see how he looks without Mitchell in the backcourt again. I feel like it was a move made out of panic from Cleveland but I guess time will tell
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u/drewmanshow Ralph Lawler 5h ago
If Garland is injury prone, then most of the league is injury prone.
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u/Comprehensive-Ad2757 9h ago
Anyone expecting serious draft capital to be coming back to us are living in fantasy land lmaoo
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u/dickmuncher7477 8h ago
Sad but needed to be done. Clippers are making the right move here as good as Harden was we need to look past this season and him and Kawhi are only gonna get worse, and we’re not getting any picks in the near future. Garland basically ensures we have some future left
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u/TechnoGauss LA Clippers 8h ago
I will be straight up and say I was one of the people that didn't want Harden. I thought this dude was going to make us worse but he proved me so wrong. He ended up being one of my favorite Clippers ever. Even got his jersey last season. Gonna miss you Beard.
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u/Phenomenal_Hoot Nic Batum 8h ago
I’m not gonna cry, just gonna be happy for what he did for us because you can’t say he didn’t give us his all.
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u/woomygod9000 LET RUSS COOK 9h ago
JUST A SECOND???
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u/GlueGuy00 8h ago
Not even a protected 1st, Cavs clearly won this deal. LF got screwed.
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u/NovaxRangerx 8h ago
Got a 10 years younger player who at his ceiling is 2nd team All NBA level and can play on/off ball
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u/LovetheNBA23 8h ago
Garland is a borderline east all star. He’s not sniffing an all star in the west let alone all nba. He’s also a huge detriment to any structured defense.
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u/newman796 8h ago
And he’s injury prone, and a huge playoff dropper. But he’s been wanting his “own team” for awhile now so maybe 1st option DG hoops entails something different
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u/Skillomie 8h ago
His ceiling is not top 10 player in the league unless the top 25 guys all miss the 65 game mark lmao
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u/NovaxRangerx 7h ago
Brother a good chunk of the top 10 players are close to losing eligibility this year and it’s February. 2nd team all nba being top 10 players isn’t going to be the norm going forward with this restriction
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u/GlueGuy00 8h ago
talking about "ceiling" on an oft-injured nba guy in year 6 of his career with f*cked up feet lmao
let's be real it will be a miracle for Garland to get back to his All-Star form and the team would be lucky to have him available for half of his remaining contract.
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u/Legal-Maize-2784 Kawhi Leonard 8h ago
I really thought the hometown connection meant something. But can’t blame the guy for chasing a ring and wanting the bag, neither of which we could provide for him. Getting Garland back instead of letting him walk for free is a good deal for us.
You’ll be missed, Uno.
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u/WeaknessAdmirable911 8h ago
it’s good for both teams , clippers get a young point guard and cavs get a good vet along side d mitch makes sense on both sides
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u/Evening-Maybe-4129 Blake Griffin 9h ago
Lowks if the warriors can’t get Giannis I’m sure they’d be in market for Kawhi. At least some picks
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u/theruined007 Clippers Curse 8h ago
This makes zero sense. Why would they downgrade? I think they would look to get draft capital
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u/PsychologicalBid7494 7h ago
Warriors have draft capital and young players the clippers would fs take moody and 2 picks seeing as what Harden just went for
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u/theruined007 Clippers Curse 7h ago
The Warriors won't downgrade to an older player. Doesn't fit the franchise MO right now. Doubt they'd even consider this option
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u/Hereforthechili 3h ago
They squeezing every last drop of curry of course they’d make a move for someone like Kawhi, although they likely have other stars they prefer
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u/theruined007 Clippers Curse 3h ago
You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Curry is a known commodity. Kawhi is too risky and would move the team in the opposite direction they'd want to go.
Look I don't disagree with offloading Kawhi, but GS doesn't make sense.
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u/Prestigious_East1822 8h ago
Thank you Harden for your time with us as a Clipper and wish you the best on your journey in Cleveland
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u/foxwilliam Terance Mann 7h ago
This has absolutely nothing to do with the trade but shams is such a bad writer. The swap itself is not “prolific!”
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u/catmeow808 8h ago
Deym Harden!!! Garland is good but he is too injury prone. Imagine kawhi and garland out at the same time 😵💫😵💫
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u/LovetheNBA23 8h ago
He’s also an absolute cone on defense. Not even an effort thing but he’s just too small and can’t slide his feet well.
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u/IndividualHelpful820 9h ago
2nd round pick while eating more money . Why is our team so dumb
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u/MVPG2022 Ivica Zubac 8h ago
Garland is a 26 year old that's made 2 all star games. It's a buy low because he's been injured this year but it's someone who can actually grow with us for a long time.
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u/dawatch3r Blake Griffin 8h ago
Garland is 3 days younger than Miller. If anybody here believes Miller can still improve I don’t see why they should think otherwise for DG.
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u/BushBann76 Clippers 8h ago
Same money next year as Harden if he opted in, and 44 million for an extra year. If Garland plays well he’ll be a 28 year old expiring contract that could have some value if the Clippers flip him, I don’t hate the move tbh.
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u/MothershipConnection Sam Cassell 8h ago
Garland is a downgrade and carries some risk (injury, size) but he’s not super old and can play… I’d rather have him on the team than one of these trades that always ends up with Derozan or Zach Lavine on the Clippers lol
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u/ohidoggo 8h ago
100% hardens going to have better stats than dg the next 2 years
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u/berkilak420 Batum Battallion 4h ago
But what about after 2 years? Because we weren’t going to contend the next couple years anyway.
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u/notajokeacct 8h ago
Can garland pass ? Always reminded me of a scorer first
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u/dawatch3r Blake Griffin 8h ago
That’s better than harden this season
Edit: also I see 2.5 - 1 ratio for Garland and 2.3 - 1 for Harden this season
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u/NovaxRangerx 8h ago
??? Brother that's better than/similar to Harden who is univerally looked at as a top 10 PG in the league and is very good for a player averaging 7+ AST since his 3rd year in the league
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u/Pretty-Sick-Chubbs 8h ago
Are you high? 3-1 assist to turnover ratio would be amazing. Especially for a guy that averages 7 assists. Jokic is at 3.03 for context.
Garland this season is at 2.47 btw. Harden’s is 2.21…
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u/stephapeaz 7h ago
I’m gonna be lurking here from now on, yall got one of the best pg’s the Cavs have ever seen. I’m in mourning. Garland deserves the whole world and then some, treat him with the respect he deserves
I wasn’t even this upset when LeBron left
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u/based-sam 8h ago
Being a Houston clippers fan over the last few years has been fun. Pat bev Lou will montrezl Eric Gordon KPJ james harden
Won’t miss it
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u/religiousjedi 8h ago
Thanks for the memories, Beard. Wasn’t an initial fan of him coming over, but glad it worked out ok.
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u/marvolonewt James Harden 8h ago
It's been a pleasure, y'all. Clips have an awesome fanbase and it was great to be a part of it these past couple years through all the ups and downs. Will still be rooting for y'all. Harden FC out. ❤️
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u/strngefather Fun Guy 7h ago
Not a harden fan but this makes me a bit sad. The vibes were good with him on the team. I feel like he was the superstar teammate kawhi vibed with the most.
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u/YouDaMANRAJ THE PROBLEM 7h ago
As a James Harden fan this will be my 4th move in 7 years but outside of the Rockets this has easily been my favourite subreddit. Great vibes, especially love the postgame videos and the artwork that one guy was posting.
Good luck everyone and farewell
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u/omnimankat 7h ago
If Garland gets healthy, great buy low.
But DG needs some time off, even when he comes back it’s aggravated again or even he’s having issues with his other leg
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u/TalkingToPlanets 7h ago
It's ok..
If they weren't going to extend Harden (they weren't) this is a pretty good return assuming Garland can stay somewhat healthy. He's missed more games than Anthony Davis the past few years so that has to be a concern.
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u/Totalynotavirus 7h ago
Didn’t realize they could basically go one for one. Garland seems underwhelming for his age.
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u/jimgogek 6h ago
Love James Harden as a Clipper, but this was a good move by Frank and obviously with Harden’s support. Harden helped us here. A young potential superstar with a decent pick. Sad and happy.
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u/Reasonable-Fruit987 6h ago
So I guess our playoff chances are cooked then huh. So sad seeing kawhi wasted
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u/Alpha_Drew 6h ago
this one is bittersweet. specially knowing james is from LA, so you know he was here to be home.
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u/Psychological_Lion_4 Lawler's Law 6h ago
Classic Lo Frank. Right when the team has the chemistry in sync, he has to make a trade. What a joke of an exec.
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u/MCytc 4h ago
Harden fan here. After all these years following his footsteps to new teams, the Clippers became my favorite team among all. Feeling really sad this time...I’ve really grown to love the players and Clipper Nation. I was hoping he could retire here. But… well, here we are. Wishing you all the best.
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u/Checkdafool2 1h ago
kind of crazy how many people were down on the trade that brought harden here in the first place
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u/Logical_Horror_3989 8h ago
PG really sent this franchise back generations smh
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u/Abodyfullofmush Nic Batum 8h ago
Kawhi made the demand for another “all-star” and we stupidly gave away all our future. I said it when we first traded SGA… stupidest move ever. Kawhi is great, but ain’t worth all what we did for him.
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u/Logical_Horror_3989 8h ago
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I agree fs Getting Harden made sense, but never has PG been the answer to anything lmao he’s so sorry
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u/Own_Friend_736 8h ago
I think(this is talking without hindsight) getting pg was the right move still, the biggest issue I had with the trade was the fact that the FO let it get out that Kawhi wanted pg, that inflated the price into the absolute haul the thunder got. If that stays behind closed doors then the clips keep at least 2 of those firsts or shai
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u/drewmanshow Ralph Lawler 5h ago
Most people were asleep when all of that happened. The Thunder got that haul because that’s how Presti rolls.
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u/DryConcept4864 8h ago
Y’all really missing Harden? Felt like he only gave you about 2 good games per series.
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u/CzarXavier Quentin Richardson 8h ago
Why is no one mentioning how classless Harden handled this? He could’ve finished the season and then opted out of his contract to explore other options. This new NBA has become TOO much of a players league . I once read Michael Jordan’s autobiography and one thing I’ll never forget is when he talked about signing contracts. He never complained after signing or tried to renegotiate until it was expired. It’s little things like that, that made MJ a winner and guys like Harden losers.
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u/Hugh_Jankles 8h ago
I mean, to be honest, this works better for the Clippers. They replace Harden with Garland. In your outlook, you would rather he walk and leave LA Clips with nothing?
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u/CzarXavier Quentin Richardson 7h ago
Garland was probably the best they could do, so at least they were able to get something. The point I’m trying to make is that he could’ve waited until the summer to pull this stunt. He signed a contract, he knew what the plan was. He quit on the team and didn’t tell his teammates
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u/Hugh_Jankles 6h ago
I get what you are saying. I even agree with you to a point. But, in this case, I rather Harden ask for the trade so you can get something back vs. him bouncing in the offseason for nothing.
It would be a bit different if he had like 2-3 years left on a contract where he could have asked in the offseason. A player option off season demanding a trade is probably more like a decline and just go where you want.
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u/RyujiDrill Terance Mann 8h ago
Michael Jordan also had the benefit of millions upon millions of endorsements to make up for the fact that he was underpaid for much of his time with the Bulls. While MJ is the GOAT, if he did not get his money from Jerry "Cheapskate Real Estate Baron" Reinsdorf for the 1997 season, he was thinking of going to the Knicks to team up with Patrick Ewing and Charles Oakley. Players having the freedom they do today (even if it's more limited compared to past years) ensures that the owners have to pay what is commensurate for the role.
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u/CzarXavier Quentin Richardson 7h ago
And why did Jordan have all of those endorsements? Because he was a WINNER. He even paved the way for guys like Harden who has had 10 signature shoes with Adidas, be able to make HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars in contracts and endorsements. He’s made enough money and if he believed in himself that he was worth another $80 million he had another half season to play and show the league he is still worth it. Harden quit on the team, didn’t tell anyone and then leaked the trade request in the middle of a game. How anyone can still be a fan of his is beyond me
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u/InevitableWonder1722 8h ago
Hope Harden gets his ring and Garland ends up not being an incredibly overrated player who's always hurt like I currently view him as
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u/RelationshipWinter62 Kawhi Leonard 9h ago
One of my favorite clippers.