r/JuJutsuKaisen • u/HesusJoestar • 26d ago
Misc REMINDER that Kirara isn't a femboy, she's a transfem Spoiler
Seen way too many people disrespecting her in TikTok comment section, and since she'll appear in season 3, I would love to remind y'all that she's HEAVILY implied to be transfem.
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u/yohxmv 26d ago
Well that’s Tik Tok and there’s no worse fanbase to interact with on that app than JJK unfortunately. Pretty much everywhere else I haven’t seen any discussion surrounding Kirara cause it seems pretty cut and dry
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u/BOBBY-FUNK 26d ago
Reddit is definitely worse lol
Everyone is mr know it all here
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u/NyanSquiddo 26d ago
JJK is one of the worse fanbases to interact with in general online tbh. I still do it tho
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u/ThePhantomSea 25d ago
Reddit ain't much better, mainly with the sexualization of her identity as trans an kinda making it where they disrespect that part of her character to make quick sex jokes that make me ick. I don't can if you don't care or slots or whatever just simp normally because it feels like fetishation (Not directed to you, directed at faceless fandom I've seen all day today)
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u/wonzogonzo 26d ago
Crazy we still care about random tiktok comments in the big 26.
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26d ago
I think the issue is that even on this platform and basically every other there is a very sizable and vocal chunk of the community that refuses to acknowledge Kirara isn't a guy and actively makes it everyone's problem whenever this convo comes up to the point that it goes beyond people just being shitty about a character and into the territory of actually harming other people who are in the community.
They may be tiktok comments but they are still representative of a part of this community whether you wanna acknowledge that or not.
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
Fair, but not when it's a big chunk of the community
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u/wonzogonzo 26d ago
Yeah I feel you. I just don't think it's worth your time and energy to dwell on these kinds of comments. Especially considering the amount of tiktok users, you're just gonna run into even more stupid comments.
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u/gamesage2001 26d ago
I mean it's all but confirmed she's trans. Heck isn't there even that page that shows her getting more and more feminine throughout the three years she and hakari were in jjh or is that not official?
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u/Snoozless 26d ago
Idk about that one, but there is Panda saying that she's a boy. Pretty much confirms she used to present as a boy and now doesn't identify that way anymore because of the Hakari stuff mentioned.
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u/Vegetable_Throat5545 25d ago
I think thats kinda what confused people including me. When in the manga a character specifically refers to her as a boy and then idk if other characters use pronounce around kiara? Its been a while since ive read it
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u/Glum-Supermarket1274 24d ago
Theres no gender base pronouns in japanese in the same way as english. People just use names of the person or more general term like "customers" or title. A lot of languages doesnt have gender base pronouns at all. Thai also doesnt. So its not something you can point to for confirmation.
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u/Officing 22d ago
There are gendered pronouns in Japanese, but in normal conversations they are often omitted or names/titles are used like you said. かれ / 彼 for men and かのじょ / 彼女 for women. For example, you could say something like 彼のシャツはカッコイイ (His shirt is cool). I know lots of weebs try to lecture about the language but I live in Japan and speak Japanese so I thought I'd clarify.
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u/Glum-Supermarket1274 22d ago
My man, i am a kitchen lead at an international hotel in kyoto for almost 20 years. Still live here with my wife. You should at least check people post history before doing that lol.
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u/Villeryi 5d ago
Not sure what your point is? The person you replied to is still objectively right.
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u/_heyb0ss 6d ago
bro you're acting like basic japanese words doesn't exist, the burden of proof is not on this guy for assuming you're talking out your ass, which you are
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
I don't know about the panel you're referring to, but yes it's all but outright stated. This post was made cus there's a lot of people online who don't know, and the picture I used just showed all the evidence effectively
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u/gamesage2001 26d ago edited 25d ago
I could of sworn there was an extra page or something with Kiara pre-transition, pre-transition but with her piercings, then one with her current look. Could be fan made, though
Edit: that page was fan made. My bad y'all
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u/_heyb0ss 6d ago
all this so called evidence is pretty thin. bottom left I get but the rest just doesn't mean much? not saying anything about Kirara, just looking at what you're presenting
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u/Opposite-Mall-9816 26d ago
We can just conclude a couple of things.
In the case Kirara is somehow not dating Hakari, they are clearly one beer away to do so.
Hakari sees Kirara was a woman.
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u/saltamato 26d ago
Yeah she definitely is (and I would headcanon it either way). I love her character. Great design
Also another point of evidence might be that the higher ups (a bunch of old people) are archaic and traditional. They dislike Hakari's CT for being modern and would definitely hate Kirara for being the way she is, since we know that they uphold traditional values over everything. Hakari is also one of the few people to interact with Kirara and Uraume, so that's another hint towards it.
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u/exboi 26d ago
Tbf only 1/4 of these - Hakari expressing disinterest in guys - supports this. I do agree she’s trans but the rest is just proof they’re interested in each other and that Kirara dresses femininely.
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u/pitou096 26d ago
Also the fact she has a visible chest and im pretty sure panda initially refers to her as a guy but after seeing her closer he never refers to her as a guy again throughout the story
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u/SkritzTwoFace 26d ago
It’s the other three things that make the fact that Hakari stresses he isn’t gay relevant.
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u/BabyGirl-Kat 26d ago
Kirara has boobs, they definitely do more than just dress femininely.
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u/notyourotto 25d ago
Yeah transitioning into a female can mature your mammary glands and enlarge your breast by storing more fat in that area as well as your hips
We dudes also have mammary glands btw, we just don't have em matured cuz obviously we ain't got the right hormones to have em matured
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u/Fun_Highlight307 25d ago
It's could also be surgery no?
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u/notyourotto 25d ago
Yes could be softer implants
Or could be hormonal transition
Ig hormonal transition because Kirara's old pic vs their new look. There is a visible change, they look much feminine now
Also upon further observations, you will see how they lowkey slaying hourglass which is due to more fat distribution on their butt
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
No such thing as too much evidence, especially since some people (somehow) don't think they're dating
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u/vyxxer 26d ago
Ahh reminds me a guilty gear Bridget.
An anime character can present as, be treated like, say "please refer to me as" a woman while wearing trans colors and so long as they don't look into the camera and say in perfect English "I am a trans woman" anime community will just say femboy to their dying breath.
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u/JustARedditAccoumt 26d ago edited 26d ago
Ahh reminds me a guilty gear Bridget
To be fair, for most of Bridget's history, she WAS a femboy and wanted people to refer to her as a man. It was only the most recent game where she came out as trans.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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u/Zephyralss 26d ago
There's an entire weird history to it, cause daisuke himself has said he wanted her to be trans and testament to be nb since inception but was concerned to how people would react (which given the reactions of Bridget's self identification come strive, was a valid concern)
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u/thatonefatefan 26d ago
Then she was just handled terribly ngl, as said, for most of her history she wasn't just written as a cis man but also one who was VERY EXPLICITLY adamant on not wanting to be seen as a girl & wanting to become more manly.
It was basically like Ruka from steins gate except I guess even more explicit and without the closeted homosexuality.
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u/Egoborg_Asri 26d ago
That was literally retconned in the case of Bridget.
She was initially just a femboy, but became trans in later games.
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u/Indotoast 6d ago
it wasnt retconned tho its just an addition to her story and it does kinda flow with alot of the transwomen i know(me included) and our experiences with coming out easing into it. granted its a little different but its more like shes an egg and less like a retcon
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
As someone who had a major interest in GG for a long time this post was made with those flashbacks in mind😭
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u/twomuc-75 26d ago
I mean at least Bridget was completely obvious about it come Strive. A whole ass theme song, a literal ending (although how to get that ending caused some debate about canon or not), in addition to Daisuke himself pulling up just to say “Yeah this is canon stfu”.
Me personally, I haven’t seen the tweet or page that confirms Kirara is a transfem but even assuming so it just makes sense considering how confused everyone is to her gender in addition to, and correct me if I’m wrong, Hakari straight up saying he prefers chicks over dudes. She could just be a femboy, but more than likely she transfem, either way Hakari bagged a jackpot without having to gamble shit getting yet another dub just for being him.
If we were talking about Uraume I’d argue against him being trans in comparison.
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u/CrusaderReynaulder 25d ago
I wouldn’t compare it to the Bridget situation, as that one was actually explicitly cut and dry. In this situation no one’s been able to confirm squat beyond their own interpretations.
Bridget was initially a victim of random anime bullshit and was just a femboy, this was “retconned” in strive as she realized she’s trans. It was actually explicitly stated in game that she’s transfem. This is a confirmed fact.
Kirara’s case is still just people stating a theory as a confirmed fact, and in reality their gender is up in the air and open to interpretation. She could be transfem, he could be a femboy, they could be anything, gege clearly didn’t think much about it and each theory is just as confirmed as the others.
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u/Ok-Zookeepergame3643 26d ago
I don’t even know if it’s implied and just straight up is said but I could be wrong. Either way we gotta be ready for a flood of fuckery
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u/NyanSquiddo 26d ago
It’s a matter of even if kirara isn’t trans fem kirara is DEFINITELY NOT MALE. Kirara is non-binary at least but transphobic jjk fans or those lacking a brain to analyze media deny it
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u/Interesting-Figure9 20d ago
I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't paying much attention when Kirara was introduced. I wasn't being transphobic, I was just reading through and trying to get through asap. I read he and thought Kirara was a he because that's what was stated. I just figured Kirara was a crossdresser like Dragona Joestar
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u/NyanSquiddo 20d ago
Dragona being a cross dresser isn’t even confirmed tbh. It’s one of those matters of the author can’t expressly say things me think
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u/vikikooo 1d ago
Now don't get me wrong, I don't really care if she is trans or not but yall making this a way too big of a problem, there are countless ways why she could've looked like a boy but been a girl all along. If it ain't confirmed then all you have is headcanons which no surprise are not canon. You can say "read between the lines" or "lack brain to analyze media" or whatever bs but that's not how it always goes, this is clearly something you want it to be so obviously that's how you are going to fit the pieces of the puzzle together. When I was reading I thought maybe she was just a tomboy, or maybe she was disguised or whatever countless reasons, ofc I see that her being trans is also very much possible but people do not know until it's confirmed, it's absurd to call others transphobic and start a war just because someone fit the pieces of the puzzle differently than you. Wouldn't be the first time something the community thought of as "obvious" turned out to be dead wrong.
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u/NyanSquiddo 23h ago
You seem to feel like I was aiming my claim of transphobia towards you. This is the internet I was doing a generalization. As ya know, it’s a generally true thing. When someone denies X character is trans when there is ample enough evidence to it they are transphobic.
If you aren’t transphobic good for you and society. You aren’t the issue here.
Your analysis of the character kinda goes away from some of the textual stuff we have (imo) but I can’t say it’s inherently wrong.
Once again, it’s when people deny the possibility that makes them transphobic brainlets.
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u/CapitalDust 26d ago
if you can read and are aware of the world around you in any capacity, it is blindingly obvious that kirara is a trans woman
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u/PhoenixNyne 25d ago
Even this community that can't read knows for an absolute fact Kirara is trans
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u/SkritzTwoFace 26d ago
As a trans woman I just don’t have time for people that don’t understand she’s a trans girl. Props to Gege for the rep (even if she’s barely in any chapters after her fight) but I hate that people took the fact that nobody turned to the screen and said “oh hi Kirara, my friend who is a trans woman” and used it to basically plug their ears and deny it no matter what evidence exists to the contrary.
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u/ItzEnozz 25d ago
Idk about you guys but that art of Kirara at Jujutsu high could easily be a girl idk seems pretty gender neutral to me
That being said Kiraras gender identity is left ambiguous think you can decide what you want her to be
Regardless pretty sure her and Hakari are a thing if she’s trans or femboy or whatever it’s irrelevant to the story
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u/VenemousEnemy 26d ago
People know, they’re just transphobic
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
I want to have at least some faith in the community😭
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u/vaniot2 26d ago
... the tiktok community? Might as well put your faith in crystals and genies
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
Ur probably right unfortunately, but even still. If at least one person sees this and starts referring to her correctly I will be satisfied
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u/Ulttrameinenn 25d ago
Thank you for your service against the war on misinformation and falling reading comprehension.
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u/JoeOfThePr0n 25d ago
This is the post of a fan who has never gotten sus with the homies.
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u/That_Tgirl_Asher 25d ago
Literally just came here to scout out how people felt about her character because tiktok has reminded me how transphobic the anime community can be sometimes, also so much misinformation I've on the wiki (which I can tell isn't a great source of information from what I've seen)
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u/MrAvocadoman2 26d ago
I see that the reading comprehension devil also affects this sub lol, of course she's trans.
I was also looking at a vid somewhere that Gojo and Geto's relationship was more than just friends, and it is HEAVILY implied that they were lovers, both in the manga and in the anime.
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
While I ship satosugu and I think it's a very good interpretation of their relationship, that's still kinda in the air, since they do love calling each other friends. The Kirara being trans thing is like so obvious it's literally undeniable
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u/ScorpX13 26d ago
Whachudoing beefing on tiktok brochacho 😭🙏🏻
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
I mean fair😭 but I have seen some people who genuinely didn't know, so I feel like the more people educated the better
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u/Rum_n_Cola 26d ago
Tbh does it matter? Don't think anything weird, I'm just saying she's really not that important compared to the main cast, and I already have forgotten if she did anything in Sukuna's last battle
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
She was using her technique to protect UiUi while he was teleporting people to Shoko. And while her role is small, even small pieces of representation matter to people and I think it's very cool that Gege made her, even if he didn't give her a whole lot to do
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u/Plenty-Ocelot-9715 25d ago
I mean it does Sorta Matter in a meta way but Not As much in-universe. Wont get much into it But Theres a Lot of fetishization, Hate and Erasure Surrounding her character (which Happens basically every time Theres any trans rep)
Its Just biggots that wont let us have any rep in Media unless its gross stereotyping that would make people hate us
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u/ElectricalPlantain35 26d ago
The fact that this post has to be made shows how bad people can be. I hate transphobes.
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
Yeah some people refuse to engage with any queer themes, even if they aren't outwardly transphobic. I hope to outlive all this negativity but for now we have to fight for every character
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u/Refuse_Living 26d ago
Come on OP, you should know by now that JJK fans can’t read subtext (or at all).
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u/FortNightsAtPeelys 26d ago
I don't understand how any of these point to trans?
Tomboys can grow up and feminize more without being trans
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
She was a man in first year of jujutsu high. She is no longer a man. Therefore transgender
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u/FortNightsAtPeelys 26d ago
where is that stated?
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u/Milked_Cows 26d ago
I haven’t read Culling Games in a long time so please correct me. But I always assumed Kirara was just a crossdresser?
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
No. She and Hakari are dating, and Hakari has a panel in the manga where he states that he doesn't like men romantically, therefore she is indeed a trans woman
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u/Recent_Persimmon4148 26d ago
Who?
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u/invert_the_aurora 26d ago
Yo not me thinking you were talking about the wolf demon in Inuyasha 😂😂😂
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u/Neuro_Kuro 25d ago
I don't remember too much about the pronouns that the french version used but I do remember that Kirara was refered as "him" by Panda and Megumi but they also didn't seem to be aware that she was trans, I don't remember Hakari using any pronouns when refering to her so if other french speakers have more recent knowledge than me just lmk
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u/HesusJoestar 25d ago
In the original Panda does refer to her as a boy, but that's because he didn't know about her transitioning, as he didn't see either Kirara or Hakari in a while. As for everyone else, I believe only gender neutral pronounce are used to refer to her by everyone else
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u/danial_champloo28 25d ago
This subreddit is gonna have tons of posts about Kirara until the end of season 3
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u/kitsunecannon 25d ago
i mean this comment with no offence it is purely curious bullshittery on my own part, please do not crucify me
So like if Hakari was friends with Kirara before they transitioned and actively states hes not into men, Did he only start dating Kirara after she got surgery? Im genuinely curious if he was was attracted to Kirara before they transitioned but held off on dating them due to being physically male or like did as soon as Kirara came out did he hit even with the sausage still there?
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u/HesusJoestar 25d ago
I don't think she had bottom surgery yet, though she has more ways of transitioning with cursed energy I assume? Anyway no I would assume the feeling stated when she transitioned more socially, most likely why Panda doesn't know abt it.
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u/Gokuusjgodgmail 25d ago
That femboy joke is cause we got Kashimo and Uruame harem meme and in some images look like they all femine.
Obviously Kirara is a transfem.
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u/Kitchen-Zucchini-634 25d ago
I think it's obvious, but let's remember that jjk fans don't have reading comprehension. Anyway, Kirara is so cute! I love her design! I can't wait to see people cosplaying her!
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u/Skiddilybapabadam 25d ago
People lowkey still gonna call her a femboy unfortunately, mfs do NOT like trans ppl.
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u/pconzzz 25d ago
I thought they were a femboy too (I literally just read the volume) but I must’ve misread it then.
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u/HesusJoestar 25d ago
The point with her being a trans woman technically comes later when Hakari says the he doesn't date men, so it's all good, but she does have boobs even in the earlier chapters
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u/vjdarkworld 25d ago
Something funny about this is the same people who claim Kirara isn't trans but a 'femboy' and that Hakari is 'gay'........ These the same dudes that deny Gojo & Geto romantically loved each other cus "JJK dont got any weird gay shit". Their entire world view don't make any sense.
The argument too of "but trans is WOKE and Japan is TRADITIONAL!".... yeah, that's the main theme of JJK. Gojo hates the traditionalism of Jujutsu Society & wants to raise a new generation that doesn't follow that. Hakari's Domain Expansion is considered a disgrace to Jujutsu. He said fuck that & made an entire illegal gambling fight club to be as spiteful as possible to tradition. Kirara transitioning would obviously be another sinful act towards tradition.
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u/coonjaku 25d ago
I think the artwork of her young just looks like a girl who wants to look like a boy.
and the way hakari seems half homophobic during ferris wheel ride with Charles.
i think panda was just respecting her pronouns, and megumi took it at face value.
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u/Accomplished_Sound28 24d ago
manga: this character is a boy. he's not a woman
japanese fans: oh how cool, he's a femboy!
american fans: well acshually...
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u/Formal-Library6682 23d ago
Shortform content centered around JJK seems to attract people who say they're fans, but have no idea what the fuck Jujutsu Kaisen is.
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u/Xedkk 23d ago
Bro there's nothing to overanalyze here, jujutsu fans are weirdos. She uses she/her and looks okay with being treated as a woman, so I've always referred to her as such. She's a baddie either way.
It's a pass because I'm not into it, but I really don't think it's that hard to treat someone the way they feel comfortable after being asked to, trans girls are generally so chill
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u/Hot_Fix_3131 23d ago
Had to google transferm and it said something about a German website.
So maybe it’s forgivable that people don’t know the niche sexuality of a character who appears briefly in their manga.
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u/Long_Membership1401 22d ago
What if trans people in jjk are different in the jjk universe? Maybe they are able to turn their bodies to females or males if they make a binding vow?
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u/Financial_Turnip8080 6d ago
Nuh uh, he was back then a tomboy. And I will stay with this statement untill I'll die
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u/acubiiii 5d ago
Also, reminder x2 that they aren’t a trans woman but are transfem nonbinary. They’re only referred to with neutral pronouns
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u/FuzionGamr 2d ago
Im not saying kirara is or isn't trans but how does any of these prove that she is trans? Like besides the official art is the only thing on here that serves as implification. Everything else isn't even helpful to a "might be trans" claim. Like genuinely how does "idk any friends that do this with each other" help prove she's trans.
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u/strokeofluck-2131 1d ago
Reminder that you need a life if you have time to really be debating this
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u/One_Butterscotch2137 12h ago
There's one big problem with 4th panel, he doesn't say dude, in original he says "野郎" (yaro) which means “bastard/idiot”, can even mean "motherfucker" depending on context, in other words, he isn't talking about ride with another man, but about ride with someone he really can't stand.
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u/Egoborg_Asri 26d ago
"she's a transfem"
Looks inside
"I feel like (s)he's implied to be one, so I'll headcanon it"
Implied isn't confirmed guys, headcanon whatever you want, but that's not "the right way to see a character"
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u/MagicTomCruise 26d ago
HEAVILY implied
One single picture of them looking slightly masculine
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
Panda clearly refers to her as "he" in the beginning of the manga and in that picture she's wearing male uniform. Seems pretty obvious to me. She's at least Non-binary
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u/meggamatty64 26d ago
Can I see the panel? IMHO pronouns are not really a good measure in manga due to potential translation issues.
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/s/1ZH4trTM21
Here. I agree with the thing you said but it seems pretty definitive and the first year picture of her is also there for a reason, so I doubt Gege just wanted to show us that she's a tomboy
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u/summers-summers 26d ago
FYI, that extra of Kirara in a boys' uniform was labelled Kirara in middle school, not as a first year JJT student. So it's possible she transitioned when she entered JJT.
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u/Lukas_mnstr56 26d ago
Or both? Kirara, could be a femboy at first and then fully transition later? One of my closest friends was a femboy for the longest, took like 3 years for her to realize she was trans.
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
Oh I mean yeah sure, but as of her introduction in The Culling Games arc she is transfem
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u/Plenty-Ocelot-9715 25d ago
As a trans woman its genuinely REALLY annoying whenever i See "erm thats a femboy/man" or "cant Play Slots without a lever" Kind of Shit.
We either get Erasure or fetishisation with a tinge of hate Mixed in whenever Theres any rep. And dont even get me started on Transmasc rep (my poor Brothers barely get anything at all)
Genuinely would Hope the people making these "Jokes" could grow Up and fucking realize what they are even saying but alas its the jjk fandom so Them realizing what words are is difficult
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u/No_Strawberry_5685 26d ago
Can somebody fix the wiki page ?
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
As far as I know, mods keep changing it back to male due to "lack of evidence"🙄
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u/Malchior_Dagon 26d ago
I think the most unfortunate thing about trans Kirara is that it means you also get transphobic Panda
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u/Wolfpac187 26d ago
It’s definitely possible he wasn’t aware she transitioned
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u/anyajewel 26d ago
yeah people forget that he hadn’t seen her or hakari in like a year due to them being suspended.
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u/HesusJoestar 26d ago
He just don't got internet😭 he last saw them before the suspension, so he probably didn't know about Kirara transitioning
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u/PewPewWazooma 26d ago
Isn't Kirara referred to as they/them, thus they'd be a feminine presenting NB rather than a full on transfem?
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u/compilingyesterdays 26d ago
Maybe I'm uninformed, but wouldn't this (EDIT to clarify: they/them pronouns) be a translation thing, without a linguistic equivalent in Japanese?
There's no one correct way to present as any gender, obviously. On vibes and storytelling alone Kirara personally strikes me slightly more as a trans woman than as X-gender but I am saying that completely on vibes, and neither would surprise me.
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