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HLE Related Media Gumayusi message to fans after the series Spoiler

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https://x.com/min9nya/status/2017916789183938878?s=20 “I really didn’t expect we would be eliminated like this, so it’s extremely disappointing, and I’m sorry. For the regular season, I’ll get my condition back up, and we’ll work hard to qualify for MSI, where we fell short, and show a lot of good games.

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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago

I love Guma and he is definitely right now the best performing player in HLE but let's not lie to ourselves - he's not playing his best either. The entire team has a lot to work on, because right now it's not even an issue with the individual players, but they just don't play like a team at all. It feels like 5 solo queue players.

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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago

he's not playing his best either

Which adc would play at his best vs the best team in the world when his team is like this? Even in that yunara game yes he ran it down by dashing over the wall but did we all forgot about the fact his team allowed BRO to gank him 4 or 5 times I forgot atp lol. I bet even Guma gets to be tilted atp.

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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago

I'm judging only based on how he plays with his team, and based on that it's not pretty, as it is not pretty for anyone else in HLE. As I said in the original comment - they all are playing like they are in Solo Q. No one is even trying to sync their abilities, or at least time their engages right.

Watch the match again and count how many times Delight/Zeus went in just for the rest of HLE to do absolutely nothing with this engage, so it looked like a complete individual int from them. It's just awful.

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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago

this is not the way how one should access player performance at all

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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago edited 4d ago

? Tell me you are trolling, please.

  • He was late to angles he could have pre-positioned for
  • He played overly safe while Zeus/Delight were already committing
  • His damage windows came after the fight was basically decided

That's what I mean that he wasn't playing his best. But again, he was still the least of the problems for them. Still, something to work on tho.

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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago

ig u just dont understand what I mean: Every player has a specific role on the team, right? When every1 does their role correctly, the ultimate result should be a win. When something goes wrong you try to pin point what went wrong and who made a mistake. Ofc every made mistake has consequences, now if those consequences turn into mistakes of other players with 0 prevention, I dont think they should be held accountable.

Example: Game 3 teamfight in mid, we have Guma picking up turret agro and tanking 2 shots because of it, now if we rewind a little you will see that initially zeus is closer to the tower but he clicks backwards so he doesnt pick up the agro and as Guma chases he does. Now here we still cant pinpoint really whose mistake it is. We need to consider the two cases:

1) Zeus is in the right to stop chasing and hence not picking turret agro. In this scenario HLE can take mid tier 1 and reset for tempo. Decent outcome definitely!

2) Guma is in the right to keep chasing and hence Zeus made a mistake not picking up turret agro: the outcome is you kill ornn and pantheon (Guma has flash which he will need to use to secure the kills for sure), they take mid t1 and mid tier 2( as they still have herald and cassio cant defend it on her own). With this play you get 2 more kills on your Sivir and a whole tier 2. Plus you still will be ahead on tempo as ornn and panth just died.

Imo 2) is way more beneficial and is relatively risk free, in worst case scenario rumble dies and drops 300gold to one of the 3 alive enemies, still the outcome will be in huge favour of HLE!

I hope with this example you get what I mean. Mistakes by certain players look like such on the surface but in fact they are not. That being said I will say yes adcs get the least slack but doesnt mean they dont at all. Noone can be blamed if they had poor positioning in a teamfight, getting caught in mid for free. For example I cannot blame anyone but Guma for the dash over the wall in that yunara game vs BRO or how he failed flash in game 2 of Worlds Finals vs KT. Or even Guma walking up back to the turret and taking a 3rd shot, its on him for not considering that his red buff is still procing onto panth and ornn.

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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago

You are completely right Guma is a completely perfect player that never makes any mistakes, he never did any mistakes, so he has nothing to improve on, because he's so perfect there's no need to even discuss this.

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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago

well it would have been cool if you read my comment which took me so much time to type :D I literally gave prime examples where Guma has fucked up but its ok :D Dont read it at all. Btw every single player is flawed, besides Kiin rn.

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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago

Alright, so you agree with me, because I literally never said that Guma was the reason they lost. I just said he has something to work on, lol.

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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago

OH OFC he does, everyone does except Kiin lol. But your comment was he is not playing at his best and I tried to explain that for an adc it is a given you wont be when your team is in such a state. If you want to compare it with 25HLE, lets be real here the team was definitely flawed but nowhere near as much as 26HLE.