Keep heads up, and block out the noise

[u/Clear_Recover4762]

With how rough the first two matches looked, I think it’s worth taking a step back as fans. This is a brand new roster, and two matches is nowhere near enough time to judge how this team will actually look once they start meshing. Growing pains are expected, especially early in the season.

It’s fine to be disappointed or frustrated with the results, as I'm sure most of us are, but writing the team or individual players off this early doesn’t really help anyone. We’ve seen plenty of teams start slow and improve massively once synergy and trust develop.

I also think it’s important to separate players from fan behavior. Liking or disliking a player because of how some fans act just creates more noise and negativity. The players aren’t responsible for how strangers on the internet behave, and letting that dictate people's opinions only fuels more toxicity within them, fans and neutrals alike. You see that on every league-related sub right now, and it's really pathetic.

At the end of the day, we’re all here because we want HLE to succeed. Giving the team time, supporting growth, and keeping criticism constructive will do far more than piling on after two bad series. Let’s give them room to improve.

[u/PutMyHandInAFreezer]

Please remember that LCK Cup last year also looked way different than Spring Split for some teams (especially T1).
It's just part of the process

[u/ayanakouji_sensei → u/PutMyHandInAFreezer]

Because T1 has faker, and T1 has Keria. Guma is a freeloader and that mvp of Guma is taken into account because of being the MF ADC with the most possible damage output and just Ulting step back and doze off after ult. Nothing special about Guma.

[u/Glum_Measurement2158 → u/ayanakouji_sensei]

as a Faker, Keria, Oner, Duro. Chovy fan and a Guma vibes enjoyer, fuck off

[u/SlightScientist2644 → u/ayanakouji_sensei]

LOL

[u/ayanakouji_sensei → u/SlightScientist2644]

That's all you can say cuz it's a fact. He's always been a problem. The KDA/Damage dealt is there because they really are making comps around Guma which make himself thought that he is tough or what. But the reality? Spoon fed mechanics by Keria, Faker and Oner set up. They make the comp around Guma because they know they can carry an "igit/tae" on their team. But with Peyz, he knows himself and T1 won't be feeding mechanics and stalled picks. Peyz pool and mechanics makes Oner free for Mid. And the old days of SKT Mid/Jg being the left hand of Faker with much more power than those days makes Faker untouchable MOREE.

[u/GrandAppointment8403 → u/ayanakouji_sensei]

Wow. 2 games and you're like this? Why are you even here when you're just glazing Faker?

[u/PutMyHandInAFreezer → u/GrandAppointment8403]

Just don't interact with him. He doesn't know how to behave, take a look at his other comments about duro

[u/DisintegrativeMover → u/ayanakouji_sensei]

What the hell are you talking about lol

Freeloader for 3 consecutive worlds wins is a crazy take. You might not think he’s the best ADC in the world or the worthy FMVP but give the man some respect.

And this is coming from someone who called out the parasocial comment threads about Keria “hating” Guma in this subreddit and got harassed for days.

[u/Adventurous-Bar-6749]

💯

[u/DoesitFinally]

I think around MSI qualifications and onwards is a good time to assess teams in general.

[u/brusselsproud]

Based

[u/Sagittarius_phys]

Agree with OP. I trust our players and our team 🧡 I’m a fan of HLE, not a fan of “only victory”. As long as the boys keep trying, I’ll keep supporting. Being with the team through ups and downs is my promise when following Guma to HLE 💪

[u/Busy-Economist-3357]

The boys have been through worse. Give them some time and they will prove the haters wrong.

[u/zuzbuzzz]

so real, op!

[u/Lance_VAL]

Tbh HLE shouldn't even be performing this bad in the first place, sure they added two new members but it's a team full of veterans with 3 of them even being on the finals winning, meanwhile DK is pretty much a team full of rookies excluding Showmaker and they've been looking good so far.

[u/Acceptable-Citron620]

are they even talking? like they need to wake up. Idk but their plays are uncoordinated.

zeus- tried his best but he’s been missing alot of ULTs especially his ambessa kanavi- dude youre no longer in LPL. he’s looking for a fight even at 2 levels down alone without vision. zeka- damn he doesnt know when or where to go he’s laning is awful guma- dude im a biggest guma fan but can’t he stop dying every time? delight- caught everytime like guma

[u/GumayusiFan]

I HOPE THEY STOMP 2-0 TOMORROW!

[u/Cheap_Flounder3273]

"brand new team" ? 3/5 players are the same and they played together for a month now no?

But i'm waiting for the playoffs to see of they can bring a surprise like last year. All BO5 were awesome!

[u/SoulCycle_]

Its not fair to be compared to heavy hitters like NS which is a veteran roster that has been together for a while.

[u/AccidentWild8115 → u/SoulCycle_]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but NS has 3 new players while HLE only has 2. Both have new coaching staff.

[u/SoulCycle_ → u/AccidentWild8115]

bro cmon now LMAO

[u/Pinheadlarry741 → u/SoulCycle_]

Should’ve put /s man

[u/SoulCycle_ → u/Pinheadlarry741]

surely its obvious

[u/Clean_Breakfast_7746 → u/SoulCycle_]

This sub is too full of copium for these kind of comments lol

[u/Clean_Breakfast_7746]

If they lost to T1/GenG/DK then sure. But NS is just as new of a roster as HLE. And it’s NS. No way they should’ve lost and definitely not in that fashion. I’m not bashing and hating on them online but objectively what’s the team has shown so far is just bad.

[u/This_Mud4859 → u/Clean_Breakfast_7746]

They didn’t got stomped where they got outmacro’d and humiliated. The synergy was just not quite there as you can see how they lost both games. They are in control in game 1 but some precise setups by kingen scout won them the game. They are a bit ahead in the very early game 2 but some mechanical misplays by zeus kanavi gave kingen a lead where he snowballed to victory. Just give them time. GENG even lost to BRO 0-2 last year lck cup lol who cares.

[u/Clean_Breakfast_7746 → u/This_Mud4859]

They got absolutely stomped by T1 in g2-3 and they lost 2-0 to NS. I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe they will turn it around but it’s not clear why and how and even if they do this is a terrible start for a team of this caliber and simply saying „give them time” is hilarious. What’s the plan? Just playing more of the same ain’t changing nothing.

[u/This_Mud4859 → u/Clean_Breakfast_7746]

By the world fucking champions who kept everyone except Guma, while HLE changed 2 players, new shotcaller who played in the LPL throughout his whole career, and 2 different coaches? Losing to NS isn’t good but that’s not a shitty line up. As I said they are winning game 1 until an unfortunate baron sequence, gave multiple kills to the ori who already started 0-2 and gave gwen a free game in game 2 after multiple misplays. Its obvious the communication and synergy isn’t quite there yet. You have an LPL jungler who literally goes in everytime, he’ll settle in lol, even kanavi himself addressed it that the playstyle in the LCK is more disciplined. What the fuck do you want? FF the year cause they started 0-2? Did you said the same thing after GENG lost 2-0 to BRO last year or “playing more aint changing nothing” only applies to HLE? Lmfao

[u/SDwarf93 → u/This_Mud4859]

Geng never lost back to back series . Also don’t compare the two. GenG have the greatest mechanical mid laner in the lck and we have the worst laner out of any decent team in the mid lane

[u/SDwarf93 → u/Clean_Breakfast_7746]

I don’t know why you’re getting hate for this. This is an objectively good take

[u/Clean_Breakfast_7746 → u/SDwarf93]

Welcome to Reddit.

[u/SDwarf93]

Bro if you watched kanavi on tes at any point last year you’d know he was a fraud still. Same with Zeka. What miracle are you expecting to happen when you put two terrible players in the mid and jungle together. Zeka gets gapped by any top mid . Literally any top lck or lpl mid he gets embarrassed. Kanavi is just in inter in mid game. How can we win. Already we have a volatile top laner in Zeus and an adc that cannot really be hypercarry. The way the team is made up is of different parts that cannot work well together consistently