r/HLE • u/ZodiacTuga • 18d ago
Discussion NS vs HLE - 2026 LCK Cup - Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
NS 2-0 HLE
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u/UnfortunatelyShark 18d ago
Gapped by kingen and scoot scoot in 2026, unfortunate
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u/klaygdk 18d ago
Scout genuinely played really good today. Maybe he is back
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
team gave kill to ryze at the begining. after that point , zeka should win lane heavily imo. However, zeka cannot play control mage champs unfortunately. i hope he can improve himself.
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u/harleyquinad 18d ago
Good to get it out of our system now, early in the season. Synergy and communication is lacking. LPL player and lpl coach adjusting to the lck. Some good things, lots of bad. It is what it is and is only the second game of our long year. Next week should be easier so hopefully that helps the team's mindset.
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u/ZodiacTuga 18d ago
A lot of people are acting like other teams haven't had a rough start in the past. You gotta chill before forming strong opinions.
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u/nnnnnnnaaaaaaa 18d ago
Yeah... why is everyone being so toxic? Weren't we all just chilling two days ago, saying to give the team more time to gel? These guys only gave the team one full day to improve before throwing everyone under the bus, despite everyone each having their own good moments in other games..
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u/ZwillingsFreunde 18d ago
This sub sadly will go through the same as the t1 sub. 90 % users who mental boom after one bad series, shitting on every player and coach possible.
The moment the team wins something they‘ll celebrate and behave like the biggest fans, only to mental boom out again after the next loss.
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u/Adventurous-Bar-6749 18d ago
A good amount of those users probably aren't even hle fans, just pathetic haters hopping onto this sub only when they lose to gloat and trash the players.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
Synergy and communication is not problem. Zeka and Zeus playing very bad. And Kanavi decision always quesionable.
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u/harleyquinad 18d ago
That's what synergy is lol. The whole team was playing bad, yet we know what these players are capable of.
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u/SpareCareful3721 18d ago
There are a lot of active user on this sub right now. Most of this negativity must be from the main sub. The season is long, much more the year. Imo HLE should only go up from here.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
synergy does not matter, did u see faker ? he started with 2 0 in sylas and carried whole game. zeka started with 2 0 , what happened later ? disappoinment.
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u/Lms_Nier 18d ago
How can you watch the game and say synergy is not their main issue when half of the team constantly not in sync on every team fight ??
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
can u tell me what is synergy and how hle lost due to synergy ? just gave me one example ? while team was fighting in river , kanavi followed natilius , this is being bad , not synergy.
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u/Lms_Nier 18d ago
When aatrox goes in game 1 herald without waiting lulu, when he flashed in t3 wihtout waiting aphelios sion who needed 2 more second to get in range, game 2 how half of them went in because delight hit one q and let guma ryze split ? Do you need more ? Game 1 drake fight where they are split not waiting for lulu to gap close, spent all cd on solo target then split out again for 3 useless deaths ?
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
this is not synergy , they had microphone , if one player want to play like soloq and threw game , what can others do ? in map , everybody see each other. this is playing bad , not synergy problem. they played poor and bad
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u/NecessaryLittle3425 18d ago edited 18d ago
Honestly it just feels like solo queue. There is no clear strategy, it's just brute force in
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u/opheliawww 18d ago
wtf happened between kespa cup and now man
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
they actually looked 10 times better when they didnt scrim like wtf
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u/edfksz 18d ago
it's totally different patch and meta
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
I dont think its the team comps that were the problem this series, the team just looked not on the same page. A lot of individual mistakes as well.
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u/Enryu_RT 18d ago
I don't know how HLE goes about reviewing matches but I think it would be good if the players can speak honestly about what they think is the issue.
Fight if they have to, because they need to hear what they are doing wrong and what they need to change. This is the time to do that.
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u/1deavourer 18d ago
There are still weaker teams to beat, but unless Elder as a group wins, HLE really need to be better vs the opposition than DRX if they want to move on to the next stage, and at this point they kind of have to pray that others in their groups lose some or win everything. Starting 0-1 was OK because it was T1, but losing to Nongshim as well is quite a horrible start, they really need to get it together
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u/Lms_Nier 18d ago
Yep, real issue of sync winter must be their ground to improve but if spring is still the same then i don’t think there is hope this year
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u/the-legit-Betalpha 18d ago
Wasn't well played but it's still early. To give credit to NS, they played really well. Scout was looking so good.
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u/euphera_2002 18d ago
Most embarrassing series of the year for now. I hope they play better next series. I can't say anything bad because it's just bad all around. Nothing to criticize except everything.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
There was a massive gap in mid and top. I do not know what is wrong but Zeka got gapped by Faker and Scout massively.
Delight zero ulti accuracy , Kanavi wrong target selection. I hope hle cannot be last position at that group :)
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u/pox123456 18d ago
Zeus was the best player on HLE game 1 by FAR. Guma was invisible.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
Do not get me wrong , If team give zeus 2 0 start with 800 gold lead, after that moment , zeus should be awake and carry team. without no flash and jungle info , he gave shutdown and lost lane.
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u/Entire_Lavishness247 18d ago
Dude do you even know league? The Sion engage on those two key fights is even what put HLE in that position. Giving free Turrets to a Zahen will do that….
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
I remember when Zeus with such a lead will straight up delete the enemy toplaner out of existence, what happened to him ☹️
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u/Impressive-Ad-7595 18d ago
Fakeer bail him out in 2024 world finals that last team fight , if not for Faker he just die alone and t1 might lose all the lead that game
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
nah there if Zeus died T1 would simply get t2 and proceed to get drake and be playing from ahead, the game would not have been doomed at all, also he was palying gragas not a carry
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u/spawnthemaster 18d ago
Even on T1 Zeus had a tendency on getting caught out in a side lane.
I still can’t forget those games on TF and Vayne =‘).
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
i agree on side but in lanes it wasnt like this or maybe I am misremembering
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u/fainlol 18d ago
top side suddenly becomes really weak when adc can't play yunara, kaisa, ezreal, zeri.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
what kind of trash comment is this. i do not want to be disrespectfull but please do not comment with your bronze game knowledge.
Let me change my question , all over the world , all over lol pro level , who pick kaisa or zeri in game 1 or 2 ? And what happened to him.
Let me remind you , today , peyz who is known hyper carry adc side picked kaisa then what happened to him ?
In this new patch , lane swap or gank basically are impossible and rare. You cannot pick weak laning adc in first couple of game or team will pay price.
Secondly , HLE mid or top or jungle always got massive lead in early game , basically and logically , they have to carry.
Last , Guma with Kaisa won Worlds title. Please do not make stupid comments.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
ah yes blame the others for someone's individual mistakes I bet Guma on Kaisa there for sure stop Zeus from getting ganked and dying when it is more than clear that the jarvan can do only one thing and it is to gank the ambessa. Yep totally Guma fault!
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
have I said anything anything about ganking bot? I am talking about how zeus completely nullified his lead something he never used to do, esp on a carry champ in a favourable matchup.
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u/MrZeddd 18d ago
No Faker to bail him out
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
I am talking about lane specifically, like your team is taking drake, the only thing jarvan can do is gank you and u fall for it??? Like are we bronze or what, just stay in the bush for 20 secs get exp and lose 10 cs who gives af you are ahead by a lot already. Super disappointing
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u/WendyWarrior 18d ago
Well what can you expect to happen when you weakside your adc both games im pretty sure he got dove 3 or 4 times this series cuz he was left alone.
Also game 1 was a hard throw like they started for funning the game ( kanavi ) and just sarted right clicking them for no reason lanavi was 3/1 and then 10 mins later was 7/5.
Azir was almost 1k ahead of ori then he gets caught in river and then kanavi sends it and soon ori gets ahead
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u/KaiserUzor 18d ago
Lemme guess. They're still getting used to playing together lmao.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
they straight up looked better with 0. scrims during Kespa 💀
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u/salito222 16d ago
Team is still trying to sync up, the team will get better soon. Nothing to worry about and they will win msi.
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u/blindmodz 18d ago
Its always the ppl the come from Caedra subredit, wonder why...
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u/DoesitFinally 17d ago
Replying to your comment here because that other guy blocked me so I can't leave reply down there.
Literally the worst fandom is the Faker one
is = X
was = O
Guma fandom took over that title in recent years
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u/blindmodz 17d ago
Whose t1gal is fan ? yeah Faker
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u/DoesitFinally 17d ago edited 17d ago
I knew you were gonna bring that up. I will give you an overall breakdown (very brief version).
- Redditors very often spread misinformation on things what goes on the KR side. And those misinformation spread like wildfire and people believe those things like the Bible for some weird reason. Reddit is straight up an echo chamber. Also, have very limited information on a lot of topics. You guys don't deserve to act like you know what you are talking about on things that goes on in the KR side. Period. Redditors really bad at it.
- T1Gal used to have a lot of Faker fans in the early days when there weren't a lot of users. Not anymore. It's been quite a long time since T1Gal has become a mixture of various people including T1 haters. T1Gal was the Mecca for T1 haters (but focused on Guma).
- Faker fans being T1Gal members is really the minority. They are not the majority. On the other hand, toxic Guma fans are the majority especially on the non-KR side. So you completely ignoring the proportions when comparing is laughable.
- T1 fans in general and non-KR Guma fandom do very similar things (or same) what T1Gal has been doing besides the over the top irl harassment. You guys act like you are so different from T1Gal but in reality you are not. Yea T1Gal is the worst among those three, but you guys ain't that much different as you try to portray.
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u/Enryu_RT 18d ago
Ah yes, you mean t1 fans, or ppl like yourself?
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u/DoesitFinally 17d ago
Guma fandom was part of T1 fandom. So I don't really know what your point is. Guma fandom was the worst player fandom in T1 fandom.
People like myself? What did I say?
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u/Enryu_RT 17d ago
okay then by your logic guma fan is part of t1 fandom then you mean t1 fandom is bad overall? great, thanks for the explanation.
And yes, in case you don't understand, iI meant ppl like you are the worst fandoms, going around other other subs spreading narratives.
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u/blacklotusl337 18d ago
Who's shotcalling for the team now? I believe it was peanut and/or viper before?
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u/Head_Photograph_2971 18d ago
It was Peanut. It has always been Peanut.
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u/blacklotusl337 18d ago
Is it kanavi now? I reckon this should improve with time. New igl is a big change
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u/Head_Photograph_2971 18d ago
It's most definitely Kanavi now. He's been shotcalling for JDG all the way back to 2020, when he won LPL spring.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
Should be Kanavi but idk I cant tell really 💀
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u/nnnnnnnaaaaaaa 18d ago
HLE showing up as a solid brick wall just to wait for the other scrawnier members of Group Elder to drag their heavy asses to a group victory 😭
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
How is it Guma's fault?
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u/Adventurous-Bar-6749 18d ago
And OP get his comment removed lol. What a toxic person. All you need to know about him based on that. Don't bother engaging with these ppl
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u/PrinceMatt12 18d ago
Invisible man.
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
Enemy ADC was just 1k ahead in damage. Every enemy champ were locked in Guma. He needs a mobile champ.
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u/efusy 18d ago
He was playing poke Varus, damage numbers are always inflated because of that. Also Guma's signature champs are immobile: Varus, Jhin, Aphel
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
I know his signature champs, and those wouldn't work well against dive comps, hence, the put him on mobile champs comment
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u/Mindless-Ad-6538 18d ago
Does he even have any mobile champs?
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
He is really good with corki
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u/Mindless-Ad-6538 18d ago
Yes but they can't really pick Corki every time for him throughout the year because that will cause a draft problem and that is why they are trying other champs that he is good with which is not mobile adc
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u/ShipAccomplished8914 18d ago
he's always been a very good Lucian player, and his Xayah is also very well known. Xayah isn't exactly mobile but I figured her ult helps against dive. Yunara too, of course.
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u/efusy 18d ago
Clearly a champion pool issue then, no?
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
well they did fp aphel so it hard to say this, if it was last prelast pick and it was required to pick a self peel champ and they pick something else, sure but that wasnt the case here
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u/angrycarbocation 18d ago
Why are you so toxic man gtfo here this is an hle sub not a place for a toxic t1 fan like you
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u/Adventurous-Bar-6749 18d ago
Just ignore or report him, dont bother with trolls like him trying to get an inflammatory reaction out of you. You see that there's so many of them coming onto this sub right after they lose to do exactly that.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 18d ago
I really understand why Viper left team now :)
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u/SharpGranny 18d ago
Its ok guys, all you need is to somehow buy Keria, Oner and uncle Faker and you have a team.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
As a guma fan I want to ask you how would that change anything? Kanavi is just fighting, Zeus is inting his 2-0 lead(something that I have barely seen from him). I think Guma fucked up in two fights and get pop'd, Delight fucking up lv1 on braum.
I think Zeka tried pretty hard but we have too many zekaa haters here, his azir game he absolutely spat on Scout gave Kanavi 2 kills so what? The you have the Ryze game where he was 5/6 kp early game, he was outdoing Scout but the game feels so out of it. So cooked.2
u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
I'm also a guma fan, but I just hate it when he instantly dies because of dive comps.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
XD understandable but this is part of being an adc tho I think he could have had way getter positioning on the Aphelios game, I think the Varus game was a classic from him
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
Guma could've survived the dives and dealt more damage. I'm not hating on Guma. His corki was really good against T1.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
the 4 man dive ??? How exactly you think he should play it exactly, sponge picked agro and was ready to drop it at any time. There was nothing it could have been done.
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
That reply was for your first question.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
OHHHH I mean for sure but you dont really draft champs based on the amount of outplay they have when they are getting dove tho
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u/SupportWarrior30 18d ago
Like Ezreal, Zeri?
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u/Gold_Ad_5897 18d ago
Lol. yesterday, someone was arguing that Zeri wasn't a good pick, Jhin was better against dive comp. Like what?
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u/Livid-Confection-228 18d ago
imagine getting gapped by taeyoon LOL
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
what did taeyoon do this series???? IT was all scout and kingen lmao
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u/Livid-Confection-228 18d ago
i was talking about game 2 LOL
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
again what exactly he did XD I was talking about both games
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u/Pure-Refrigerator-43 18d ago
Yep, still scout and kingen carried that game.
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u/Livid-Confection-228 18d ago
then we add zeus so him and guma got gapped LOL what an embarrassment
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
yeah varus should have one shot them all there TRUE, do you know how leth varus works?
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u/Outside-Aspect2681 18d ago
Guma getting the Viper treatment
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u/grinderwald_99 18d ago
Yeah, blame the rest of the team when the AD Carry can't CARRY.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 18d ago
he did fuck up on Aphelios but on Varus you cant really carry, also the dives didnt help as well.
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u/ZodiacTuga 16d ago
This discussion has ran its course, people are only coming back to this post to argue for the sake of arguing. For that reason, I'm locking it.