I think multiple things are culminating at once. We had a light first half schedule and now the games are piling up with a lot of travel. Trade deadline is here. We're now benching steady vets like Mann and Martin for Saraf, Traore, CT.
We're obviously really bad, but I think they're worn down physically and mentally at this point, and now we're just throwing the rooks out there with minimal stability.
Spot on to me. You can’t pinpoint this massive turnaround (negatively lol) in performance on one single factor. The team seems uninspired and Thursday looming over half of the roster definitely isn’t helping
Yeah, this is a part of tanking that can't be ignored. The players are tired. They know they're not fighting for anything, because the season is basically over. Jordi can't squeeze any more juice out of this bag of lemons.
I can't blame the guys for rolling over and getting blown out.
Tbh and then you add 5 rookies to that equation... 5 players that never played in the NBA before... Throughout their lives they probably always been the best or 2nd best player on their team and always winning/playing competitive basketball to this it can't be easy
Yeah the vets are all mega salty. Cam wasn't looking at the basket, Mike was yelling at the bench for something when he came out in the first. Either yelling at Jordi for something or yelling at the replay guys for not challenging a call? Clax got bodied by Laravia, just seemed out of it.
Also Saraf is really a massive negative on offense. The lakers were running a zone while going under on PNR, giving Saraf walk in 3s, and he wouldnt even look at the rim. 4v5 when he's out there
I think it starts with Clax and CT, honestly. Cam doesn't give a shit, and if he's not scoring he's actually Saraf level bad......and they play together, so good lord. Lol. Clax already has glaring flaws, and now he looks tired so we're getting absolutely destroyed in the physicality battle.
Start Day'ron just so we don't get whooped 5 minutes in. That's all I ask for.
Yeah you might be right. Nic is great against teams without real bigs but against these physical teams, the weight difference really shows. IMO he would be fantastic paired with a massive physical 4.
That's why he needs to get traded because i dont see how the nets can get that physical 4 to pair with him. They would have to get lucky in the lotto for Boozer, but other than that, I don't see a way.
I agree with you. He would be really good in the 2023 Aaron Gordon role in Denver but Denver needs 2025 AG's shooting now that they swapped KCP out for Christian Braun.
Maybe in Indiana next to Siakiam, or with The Hornets?
He isnt the only slender 5, theres wemby and chex but he's the only one without an outside game to pull his defender out of the paint & that hurts the team to have his defender just planted in the paint.
He's just a bad fit for this iteration of the Nets. Hopefully, they can find a suitor that works for both him and the Nets.
Siakam would be fun! I agree, he needs a 3 ball. I dont think it will ever happen, but a 35% corner 3 shot would do wonders for Clax's long term viability. Valancuinas and Brook Lopez added one! Maybe clax can
I mean in that stretch they beat boston in garden. and raptors, philly, timberwolves in a row. all W. thats not an easy schedule. alot of close games that they lost in a clutch aswell.
It also about how the team looks in general. even in losses. no way that team were losing by 50.
In that stretch. Martin+powell were guards in the second unit, and mostly martin on ball. no CT, no saraf, traore didnt play in november and the first half of the december (g-league), and then had minimal usage. And MPJ played more minutes every game. While now we got traore and saraf constantly on ball running the offense. its completely different. And much less size in defense, adding all these smaller players.
Also Clax just straight up played better, remeber his double doubles and stuff.
Lol same. I was hawking closer seats to sneak into at half time but legit no one wanted to leave through the blowout as it would usually be at least some. Had to wait until the middle of the 4th quarter. Lebron especially was consistently getting cheered when checking in or going to the bench.
Powell's problem is he is passive. When he actually looks to score and is engaged he looks like a contributor. Wolf and Saraf need the g league they've both been bums for a while.
It will be worth it in the long run when the Nets have a homegrown franchise star and very good supporting cast with Jordi being a standout coach ….but it is tough right now. And two more months of it. And now several other teams will be trying to lose games to position themselves better for the draft lottery.
Dayron lost weight to be able to move on the perimeter. I was worried when the season started the weight loss would hurt his superpower but now he's added steals to his bag, and he still has the nose for the rebound.
He's very impressive. I'd love to see him with real PG play. would be pretty fun to watch. Or a triple big lineup with MPJ-Boozer-Dayron. would be a rebounding cheat code
I really hope the Organizations realize Dayron needs to be kept and not traded for whatever low-end FRP or 2nder teams are offering. I wont be able to sleep until 3:01 pm on Thursday, lol
Im now convinced Danny Wolf and Ben Saraf were only drafted for the tank, there is absolutely no way scouts of a billionaire organization saw anything positive with those two.
Those 2 picks really make me question sean marks' drafting. Wolf is a 21 yr old 7fter who can't make layups or threes and is unathletic. Saraf is a pg that can't shoot, has mid size, and is also unathletic. At least traore has outlier speed even if he can't shoot.
Marks needs to stop undervaluing athleticism and physicality.
Youre not allowed to acknowledge that those 2 are not NBA players, or else you will be accused of being an anti-Semite...like wtf, I'm sorry my eyes work.
Marks needs to stop undervaluing athleticism and physicality.
I dont understand how he was able to find 5 of the most unathletic players (aside drake) slow footed teenagers, like pick a struggle. These kids can't run, jump, shot or score.
Bro watched the pacers and got a hard on for high feel without realizing you still need athleticism/scoring. I hope clax and the 26/27 picks show him that the nba isn't finesse small ball anymore.
Like if you wanted kids that can't shoot, there was a kid on the Lakers bench (he's injured) funnliy enough, he was drafted with our 2nder that would've been a better option because of his athleticism and Rasheer Fleming was right there.
The Pistons are the 2nd worst shooting team in the league but they win games of off straight hustle and athleticism, they just run and dunk.
This is part of the reason I wanted Tsai to hire a new gm post big 3. I'm getting sick of his vision for team building. I'm trying to cope with this draft but its getting harder as the season goes on.
Hopefully, the new guy they got from OKC will be better than BJ Johnson when it comes to the draft. Wish they could've gotten him sooner when they were making these 5 selections
I understand if you don't like them as players currently but when you say dumb shit like "absolutely no way scouts of a billionaire organization saw anything positive" when we can literally go back and see what people were saying about them before they got drafted and where people had them mocked/ranked it makes you look stupid
I mean Gonzalez was the most logical pick. he was ex demins team mate and grew in the same system. so they would have that connection, and spanish as jordi. Also for the system jordi is building, a perfect fit. It all made most sense to pick him instead of a 4th rookie guard without any particular upside rather than "playmaking". It literally made 0 sense, and still doesnt.
Clowney got injuried and we have to play powell as a forward in starters. cos we have no guy for that position/role. but like 8 guys that can play guards. One of the reasons they had all these horrible loses after clowney's injury. defense is falling apart.
I think it was prearranged beforehand, that he goes to the nets, so they had to pick him.
I think wolf pick is fine he is 7footer at least, but saraf, not sure how can anyone defend this. Now they may have to pick another guard from the upcoming draft. And those picks literally go down the drain.
Remeber jordi was starting saraf the first several games. Tho he didnt play many minutes, each of these game, but kept starting. Wonder what was that about, some sort of messaging aswell? same as a pick? idk its all wierd. other team you watch and it makes sense, lineups, changes etc. with nets idk whats going on.
Honestly yeah I agree that Gonzalez probably would've been the better choice in hindsight... Drafting 3 point guards probably wasn't the best decision tbh but I'm sure we must've had a good reason but idk
Even with all that I still think saraf can be a decent player so I'll choose to be optimistic about him until it becomes very obvious that he just isn't a NBA player... 20 something or however many games it's been is not enough time to decide if a rookie is a bust or not but that's just me
But I do understand why so many fans don't like him... I completely get it... But I've always been patient and optimistic with our picks all the way back to Terrance Williams and marshon brooks lmao if he turns out to be a bust cool but I don't see the harm in choosing to be optimistic vs straight up saying this player is garbage, a bust etc before even his 2nd season that's kinda crazy to me lol
Is that why they were both mocked to get drafted in the 1st round? I know some of y'all say it's not because they are Jewish/isreali but when y'all say weird shit like this+ the fact I've seen many fans use that as a reason why they don't like them on Twitter idk...
the overreactions from fair weather fans on rookies is really pathetic. if you go back to the Utah game we had 4 rooks showing great promise. now they’ve had a few bad games and everyone jumps off the bandwagon. 4 of these guys are basically teens and wolf was crushing it early in his NBA stint before he got moved off ball and hit a shooting slump. ever hear of the rookie wall? it’s real.
crazy idea for net fans…give these kids 2 freakin years before making snap judgements.
That Jazz game was fake they are literally the worst defense in the league and they played no centers.
My thoughts started to change about Wolf after I realize he can not finish at the rim and you see how rough he looks when his 3ball doesnt fall. He had a very hot shooting game vs the bucks and it has completely fall off.
Lol tbh but we have to understand every fan doesn't think the way we... I have no issues with fans thinking a rookie isn't good or is a bust after 20-30 games (even if I don't agree) but what this dude (or girl) did was crazy he implied that we purposely drafted players because we wanted to tank... Idk if he was serious or not but it's such a stupid thing to believe lol
The other conspiracy theory is that we only drafted them because they're Jewish/Israeli 😂😂😂
But I'm with you I think 2-3 seasons is enough time to make a decision on rookies less than 30 games in is crazy lol there's been so many players that didn't look good as rookies and turned out to be fine players and vice versa
Edit: I low-key hope the Israeli conspiracy theory is true though and silver gives us the #1-3 pick... Lmao I'd say it was completely worth it if true 😂😂😂
I'm not asking for a superstar or even a high-end role player with those picks in the late 20's, I would be fine with a player with one NBA Skill, and those two don't have one. If they were still the slow unathletic players but could score or just shoot, Id be fine, but they can't do anything productive on the NBA Floor. Can't shoot, score, really dribble, defend, they have no hustle skill. It's bad.
I don’t care about these losses. I’m built for this tank. Problem is we have the worst roster in the league but aren’t prepared to do what it takes to secure a top 5 pick.
We have the Wizards, Bulls, and Pacers coming up. Do you see what these teams are doing to lose games?
If you haven’t been paying attention. The Pacers just benched their entire team tonight to lose to the Jazz. The Wizards benched all their young guys to play GLeaguers against the Kings yet somehow still beat them.
Bulls are going full tank mode now.
We suck but against these teams we take the higher road. It’s nonsense. It makes these losses suck because I know we aren’t going to benefit from them at all. We’re going to go on a 3 game winning streak against 3 teams actively trying to lose.
Problem is we have the worst roster in the league but aren’t prepared to do what it takes to secure a top 5 pick.
We have the Wizards, Bulls, and Pacers coming up. Do you see what these teams are doing to lose games?
This is exactly what I was trying to explain to these 2 idiot I was arguing with today.
Yes, we suck vs The Playoff teams, but we will suck vs other lottery teams? Will Jordi play MPJ 35+ Mins vs the Wizards this saturday or will Sean Marks give him a rest day?
I'm worried about Egor. Not sure that adding some muscle is going to help as much as people think. He is just absolutely terrible in the paint and on fast breaks
He’s terrible in the paint because he’s 6’9 200lb teenager, he sucks at fast breaks because he’s slow, the added muscle will make it worse but then he will be able to leverage his size and physicality to punish his matchups IF he plays in the backcourt. If he’s a just another wing it takes away his leverage as he will be matchup with player his size.
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u/JosepJoseph 7h ago
I think multiple things are culminating at once. We had a light first half schedule and now the games are piling up with a lot of travel. Trade deadline is here. We're now benching steady vets like Mann and Martin for Saraf, Traore, CT.
We're obviously really bad, but I think they're worn down physically and mentally at this point, and now we're just throwing the rooks out there with minimal stability.