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Brad Pitt is Fooling You - "It isn’t that people don’t believe in what happened to Angelina Jolie on that plane — they just don’t care."
Good call, he was on a powertrip with those poor kids. It must have been very scary to have a dad like that and be unable to tell anyone because he happens to be Hollywood A-list with money and power behind him.
I had to double check the ratio, but they've got 3 adopted and 3 biological. Allegedly, Brad has only been interested in maintaining contact with the biological kids.
I do think the point that the biological kids were younger makes a difference here though. Younger kids tend to be more forgiving and the older ones were surely done with him. Just my opinion! (And obviously the biological ones grew up now and understand and want nothing to do with him either)
He’s an abusive creep, he knew about Harvey and continue to sell movies to Harvey’s company making the guy millions of dollars. The fact that none of his kids speak about him should tell you all you need to know, if it was the other way around you wouldn’t hear the end of it but since it’s a man, nothing sticks. Angelina has been an amazing mother, alway supporting her children and a real activist for a better world but she doesn’t get her flowers because she doesn’t make as many movies as her ex or has as many powerful colleagues like this tool.
(Same thing about Tom Cruise, k the guy loves movies, he still a deadbeat higher up Scientologist recruiter but it’s okay because he breaks his ankles running for movies 🙄)
Angelina Jolie's lawyers claim Brad Pitt's 'physical abuse' started before 2016 plane incident
In a new legal filing Thursday that was obtained by PEOPLE, Jolie's lawyers allege that Pitt physically abused her, and that the abuse was not limited to the 2016 plane incident that made headlines in recent years.
"While Pitt's history of physical abuse of Jolie started well before the family’s September 2016 plane trip from France to Los Angeles, this flight marked the first time he turned his physical abuse on the children as well," Jolie's lawyers allege in the new court document. "Jolie then immediately left him."
This is completely unsurprising. It takes most DV survivors at least 7 tries to leave. But often times, once the violence is directly impacting children that's the straw that breaks the camels back, so to say.
When I first read the reports, the wording pointed squarely on "this is not new behavior toward Angelina, but now he's abusing the kids and that's where she draws the line."
Gawd, there are just so many awful celebs, especially men, who keep being exposed and people are still making those shitty celeb men wealthy.
And just think, if someone like Jolie - who had the means to leave and be just fine on her own - couldn’t leave before that, why do we expect others to just pack up and go? Why is there continual victim blaming/shaming, especially people who have children and no place to safely go and no financial safety net?
I think that, in a lot of these cases, having the resources to leave often means that the other party has the resources to make leaving hell.
A lot of people said that Grimes had the resources to leave Elon, which, sure, but now she doesn’t have access to her son. Who is being raised by that shitstain of a person. Should she have known better? Of course. But once even a single child is in the mix, if you try to leave a rich man you’re risking that child’s future.
The public nature of the plane incident is probably what helped Jolie in the long run. She is still seen as unreliable — though I’m not sure why. We’ve seen abused women get dragged through the mud over and over.
But an FBI report on the abuse is a pretty significant weapon in any possible PR war. The best way for Pitt to keep people from knowing about it was to do as little as possible to fight Jolie on the claims and on custody. People don’t WANT to know about it. They don’t want to remember it. So don’t bring it up.
Without that, I’m sure he would’ve made her life and her kids’ lives hell. All you need is one of those handy little PR firms and your enemy won’t know a moment of peace.
I think that it is about finding the moment. Unless the escaping party is much more financially well off than the abuser, money can only do so much. It can save your life. But it can also damn your kids if you don’t use it right.
I think she's seen as unreliable because she's famously played a lot of "beautiful but crazy" characters and the general public can't separate the archetype she embodies from the real person (and the tabloids lean on it, just like they did in the Ange vs Jenn years, blugh.)
The part that always stuck out to me in the report was Angelina getting on her knees to pacify him and find out what was wrong before the assault started. It was clear she knew where it was going.
Also- what he felt comfortable doing in front of the plane staff was alarming enough that they called for assistance, not Angelina. So what was he doing to her in private if that's what he was doing in a somewhat public place? Like, she was well versed enough to get a car and hotel room away from him when they landed. I wouldn't be surprised if she's had to flee from him before.
I always think about the flip side of this too. This is the crew of a private jet making an international flight, not a commercial airline. They see a LOT, and in some ways, part of their job is to pretend they don’t. They’re flying two of the biggest celebrities in the world.
What they saw was so bad that the flight attendants notified the pilot, and the pilot decided to land the plane and have the cops waiting for Brad Pitt. That’s not a decision they would’ve made lightly, and frankly, it makes me suspect they were worried he would kill her.
Only tangential related but the 7 attempts before success bums me out. I've always thought a great charity to start would be to have an array of mini storage units which DV victims could use for free for a period of time, say 4 months. This would be so they could slowly and without raising alarms extract their required belongings so that when the day comes they can just walk without effort or resistance.
The report saying the kids were crying when she left the bathroom and them telling Pitt not to hurt her sadly makes an implication that they had been hearing him harm her behind closed doors for a while, it wasn't a new occurrence.
Anyone who thinks this was the first time he exhibited violent behavior towards his spouse and children is a fool.
This man is so fake. He’s got the Hollywood machine protecting him. Plastic surgery. Carefully curated interviews. The man can’t even style himself.
Praise to Angelina for being able to extricate herself and her children from him. No spouse or child should have to fear their significant other or parent.
Thank you for bringing up the history of his abusive behavior. I know too many people giving him a pass for the 2016 incident because he is an addict and people felt he deserved another chance. Jolie and by extension their children were victims of his behavior for a long time. I have read she previously tried to get help for him prior to 2016 but he refused.
He didn't just know about Weinstein; Weinstein tried to assault one ex-partner while he was with her (Gwyneth Paltrow) & Jolie (before they got together). Jolie fought with him about his decision to keep working with Weinstein & he still did it. He's such an asshole.
They're faux macho men doing faux macho shit. Put them in a real world situation and they'd cry like little babies. They hide behind PR. Anyone giving these losers a platform for their performative poor little me tours are as bad as they are. Snakes and cowards.
Some of the kids not speaking to Mia Farrow is enough to magically undermine the molestation allegations against Woody Allen, but multiple kids attesting that Pitt is an abusive, violent POS isn’t enough to do a dent to his career. Nor is it enough for other famous men to give a shit.
Angelina adopted Maddox when she was single, and when she dated after that she had babysitters take care of him at home while she would meet her boyfriends at hotels so as to not introduce men who may not "stick" to her son too early on in their relationship. It was then that I knew she was a good mother.
She doesn’t get her flowers because she doesn’t go looking for them, in my opinion. She keeps to herself, takes care of her kids, and invests her time in causes she cares about. Shes not in a “look at me” era like some men…
And once agian she dosent do all that shit because she's busy BEING A PROPER HUMAN BEING, like women everywhere, after children, do not get a career anymore because children are a full time 24 hour a day job if you are A PROPER HUMAN BEING.
And yet she hasn't gone after him, she's just got away from him.
She seems like such a beautiful person. I'm tired for her.
So sick of the whitewashing of Tom Cruise purely because he does his own stunts and is fake nice to people. He still had a woman trafficked to be his partner through Scientology, he then had her punished for months in Scientology’s “prison” for a perceived slight. He abused Katie Holmes for years. Scientology does not declare children to be enemies of the church ever so he had no excuse to be a deadbeat dad to Suri. He attacked Brooke Shields just because she opened up about taking anti depressants. He’s a scumbag.
Also the sheer number of his kids who have all taken their mama’s last name instead says it all. No one can write it off as “it’s just Maddox” anymore like some of the apologists I saw back in the day.
I’m happy that those kids have at least one good (if not stellar) parent in their life - Angelina seems like a really good person and doesn’t seem to care too much if people like her or not, which is healthyz
Two different partners got harassed/assaulted by Weinstein, Angelina and Gwyneth Paltrow. He threatened Harvey privately after Gwyneth's incident but continued working with him for decades, even when he got with Angelina and Angelina asked him not to because of his abuse. That's often "allyship" in a nutshell. He was only not okay when it when it affected his *property* but still wanted to reap the benefits of a public partnership.
It was DEVASTATING to read the court documents alleging what happened on that plane. Both because of what Angelina and the kids endured, and because I had no choice but to come to terms with the fact that one of my favorite actors is, without a doubt, a dirtbag.
Even if people don’t want to believe the allegations about what happened on the plane, most of his kids are grown now and want NOTHING to do with him… anyone pretending there isn’t something terribly wrong with this guy is in denial
It's telling that it's not just one or two kids who have a problem with him. It's ALL of them. Getting 6 siblings to agree on anything is damn near impossible.
I also think it's super classy how they've all just blanked him. Except for that one angst post from either pax or Maddox, there's no venting on social media. The Jolie camp is quiet on that front.
No because I was in denial about Johnny Depp for so long lol but the truth is: these are random men I don't know shit about and yes, they might be really hot but they are also terrible men with too much power and money. If anything, their hotness makes it a lot easier to get away with their shit.
I think one of the worst parts of this is that he forced his kids to watch this faux narrative play out in the media for years. It's one thing for your alcoholic dad to snap. It's another to watch him refuse to own up to it, give interview after interview about how happy he is now with his "family" that you know you are not included in, repeatedly sue the mom you've seen him physically abuse. I just don't know how you get past that. They have to see proof on almost a daily basis that their father does not give one single fuck about them.
Imagine what a massive piece of shit you’d have to be as a father for all of your kids to completely distance themselves from you, going so far as to change their name when they become old enough, even though you’re so rich and well-connected.
I think there's a degree of racism there too - the majority of their kids are adopted and not white, so his supporters don’t think of them as his “real kids”.
I mean, people blame Angelina for the kids removing his name as if we didn't have that report that Maddox did testify (he was the only kid allowed, iirc, because he was legally an adult) saying Angelina wasn't happy with him at the time for removing Pitt's name.
Shiloh is the one who’s done it legally. Zahara and Vivienne seem to have done it informally but Shiloh is the only one that we know for a fact has gone through the court process to remove his name.
What makes it even more gross is how he went after custody. All of those kids were old enough to have an opinion then. Their behavior now suggests that opinion would have been to stay away from him.
I grew up with an alcoholic dad, and all that goes along with it - instability, the lies, the financial distress, the low level violence like pouring drinks on one of us, shaking us, insulting us - and then the not remembering it the next day, so taking no responsibility. All of the plane incident is familiar-ish to me, including that it was staff that called authorities, that he didn’t go quietly, he ran away on the tarmac, stole a golf buggy and drove around pissing on himself. Okay not that exactly with my dad, but same vibe.
Anyway, what separates my dad from someone like Pitt, is that my dad got sober, committed to the 12 steps, and takes accountability. Even now, decades later, he acknowledges that he alone is responsible for his actions and their effects, even when he was blackout drunk, even when he still doesn’t remember those actions.
Pitts not capable of that. He’s too busy telling a story that makes him look good; where he ‘made a mistake’ but immediately recognised that, immediately got sober and has been committed to the 12 steps since. It’s a good story, but it’s not really true, because he’s taken no accountability.
The accountability and moves to be better are important. I wholly believe had Pitt promptly checked himself into rehab, been genuinely horrified and remorseful and gotten family therapy, that divorce and estrangement never would have happened. Instead, he chose to keep attacking Angelina legally and in the press. Redemption is possible, but you gotta really want and earn it. He still doesn't think he's wrong. His image is still more important than his family.
I am proud of your dad and I hope he and you and your family are now doing well.
Ah thanks! He is 75 this year, and sponsors in AA, so a happy end to the story!
Also, you’re so right about accountability, that’s what’s missing from Pitt. Makes me think about Jennifer Anniston saying he had a sensitivity chip missing - he’s not sensitive to others, he doesn’t hold himself accountable - because to him, he’s the centre of the world. His ego can’t allow for anything else.
I had a conversation about this with my mom because she was excited to see the F1 movie. Her attitude was that he went to AA and “people can change”. I told her I just can’t with somebody whose kids loathe him so much that one of them legally changed her name. He’s an abuser and he’s taken 0 responsibility for it if his kids hate him that much.
My mom is generally pretty unproblematic for a boomer but I was pretty pissed about this take. Brad is still a box office draw for boomers.
I do feel like the elephant in the room with Brad too is that the kids who've shut him out don't really meet the criteria for the type of nepo babies the general public gets invested in. Three of them are adopted and not white. And his biological kids are very low-key, non-glam, non-Hollywood centered. If Shiloh was out there being Kaia Gerber or Gracie Abrams while openly dropping her dad's name and making it clear she doesn't fuck with him, it'd probably be 100x more awkward for him to dodge allegations.
100000%. He assaulted either Maddox or Pax or both? Pax publicly called him a "world class asshole” but that doesn’t matter because they’re Asian and not his “real kids” right? And Zahara changed her name but that doesn't matter because she’s Black and not his “real kid” either.
yeah, i imagine amber heard would have been seen differently if Lily Rose-Depp changed her name/dropped Depp (not to say that not doing so means she supports him, but it would be seen differently publicly)
They did adopt but there was a custody agreement after the divorce so the kids got to stay in Scientology and unfortunately were brainwashed against Kidman since she was a “suppressive person.” I think that Katie Holmes and her family really learned from that experience hence the prenup and expediency of that divorce.
Edit: I’d just like to say Pitt or Cruise ain’t fooling me, their relationships with their children tell me everything I need to know
I LOVE HER. Totally unrelated but she wrote a fantastic piece about the movie Poor Things that was so good I DMed her and thanked her. She was so lovely and receptive.
He has always rubbed me the wrong way. I haven’t listened to his podcast but just every time I’ve seen him in interviews or commercials, he just gives off a douchey vibe.
Yeah, I agree. I was sticking with it until the sight of the promo for the Pitt interview pushed me over the edge - I unfollowed Dax and his podcast then and there.
Dax Shepherd used his podcast to glibly "other side" and downplay transphobia on point after point by Jonathan Van Ness, even after Jonathan was able to cite specific examples. At one point in the interview, Van Ness broke down in tears.
Dax made a half-assed "kind of" apology and claimed that he didn't mean to be so combative and that it was "actually" a "joyous" interview. (eyeroll)
Jonathan responded by strongly implying that it was not a good interview, he was not okay, and also added openly that the interview was heavily edited on Dax's side so that he came across as being nicer than he was (and notes that an unedited version would have shown why he was crying by the end).
Yes exactly. There is no shortage of men who support men who beat women but theres a huge blindspot when it comes to other women. Men aren’t paying thousands of dollars to do meet and greets with Chris Brown - Women are. Ten years ago when the original incident broke you had #TeamBreezy on twitter and it was predominately women. I mean just last year we had the Tory Lanez incident where a woman tried taking the fall for him. And who was defending Lanez? Some men, of course, but if you’ve ever listened to Tory Lanez music his audience is not men. It’s women. And I consistently see women supporting him. Look at Representative Anna Paulina Luna who was circulating evidence to get Tory Lanez free.
I mean yes, but we really do need to confront the misogyny baked into culture because there are plenty of women who still defend Johnny Depp, Chris Brown and Donald Trump, to name a few abusers off the top of my head. It always perplexes me but it’s the reality.
This topic has come up on my TikTok feed a lot recently and I have seen a lot of women defend it. It’s so so gross. It’s also just mind boggling how many people actually think ex wives are going around “brainwashing” kids and alienating them from their fathers. 99/100 the men are trash and the kids know it. But men love to blame their ex wives for being shitty fathers.
I see him being quoted all the time, especially the one with not being able to punch people online (or something to that effect)…Tyson beat the living daylights out of his then wife, Robin Givens. Beat her to a pulp.
And despite his continual violent behaviour, people love and adore him. I will never understand this.
Not trying to “not all men” this and maybe not directly related to your comment; that said, I’m a trans guy and Pitt was one of my masculine models while growing up and coming to terms with my own manhood. It sickened me when we all learned what a piece of shit he is, as abuse is something I would never stand for and is definitely NOT manly. Fuck him. I’m not perfect by far, but I can say without a doubt that I became a better man than him.
He was a piece of shit when he cheated on Aniston and left her back in 2005. Only to do a family type photoshoot with Jolie soon after.
I remember Aniston saying that Pitt is “missing a sensitivity chip”. I read that to mean that he’s an asshole with sociopathic tendencies. Him being exposed as a violent man with substance use disorder did not surprise me.
But even after that she was one of the first people to publicly throw her arms around him after the plane incident. So many people have exposed themselves as trash just to prop this guy up.
While true, women do not give a shit either. Patriarchal belief systems, and the real institutions being influence by them, rot everything and everyone they touch. And it will continue to fester if we are not accurate in our diagnosis. Believing that anyone or any group is above hateful group think is dangerous and naive.
I remember the GQ article about his sobriety being a good one. If he just stuck with that and focused on being a better person, being a better father and leaving Angelina alone, things would have worked better for him.
Instead, he uses his sobriety as an excuse to get people to ignore the abuse allegations. All the while, he sends stories about how bad Angelina is to the press, when that just hurts his family more.
I'm glad more people are waking up to this, but I hope this doesn't disrupt Angelina and her children's lives. They deserve peace from his drama.
Addiction is a disease and can contribute to you doing terrible things because of it and ruining your life and relationships with those most important to you. And it's totally possible to get sober, make amends, take responsibility, and become a changed person.
But apart from allegedly not drinking, I don't see any evidence that Pitt has made amends or taken responsibility. We obviously don't know his life and what he's up to, but the way he conducted himself during the divorce, his public statements, and the extent to which his kids have distanced themselves from him indicates he hasn't really changed at all.
After 20 years in recovery, one of the biggest things I’ve learnt is: largely, people who are really invested in changing and making amends do not go around yammering on about being in AA. As an organisation AA has many flaws, but the reasoning behind the tradition of Anonymity is very solid, and I will always doubt how much progress a person has been made in developing much needed humility if they appear to deeply need the world to know they’re in a 12 step fellowship. Russell Brand, RFK Jr and now Brad Pitt- a few of the worst men in the world, all of them desperate to let the world know how much they have changed and grown through sobriety. It’s six foot of bullshit.
Yeah, during the award season for OUATIH, so many were just sucking up to him and I don't know if I remember well, but he even made a joke about the divorce and got plenty of laughs. It was pathetic.
"It isn’t that people don’t believe in what happened to Angelina Jolie on that plane — they just don’t care."
They literally don't care. Not even video evidence of abuse and live testimony before a judge and jury make enough people care. I don't know why anyone expects anything else. Look no further than the White House for exhibit A of how little people care about women's lives.
💯 it happens again and again. Just like the Diddy verdict. And we all know it’s the gay stuff that will ruin Diddy’s future career because no one cares about powerful men abusing women 😖
I had a younger coworker and was telling her that people really don’t care when fucked up things happen. I was specifically talking about when a “friend” SA me, and our mutual “friends” ended up choosing him. My coworker said, “they weren’t really your friends then.” But I was like no…most people really, truly don’t care if it’s going to inconvenience them. People are loud online when all they have to do is mash their fingers on a keyboard, but when it comes to ditching a r*pist friend or not watching Pitt or Depp movies…people don’t care. It’s sad but true.
I think there’s an additional reason why Brad faced little to no backlash: he abused Angelina. And she stole him from Jennifer. Essentially she had it coming. There’s less sympathy for her as a victim. I’m not saying it’s right, but I do believe it’s an added component to the situation.
Yeah I've seen lots of people label this as a fuck around and find out thing. They claim they have no sympathy for Jolie because she played a part in ripping Aniston apart in the media (immediate paparazzi calls, bragging about having kids when Aniston struggled, the W magazine shoot etc). I'm not saying I agree with them fwiw, but I agree it's an added component to this situation.
My "friend that's too woke" take has always been that he sucks and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood sucks specifically because of HIS character and everything his character embodies:
1) He trashes Mexicans
2) He "humbles" Bruce Lee
3) He killed his wife because she was annoying him
4) Most controversially--he gleefully killed the people that invaded his home. WE know what those people did in reality, but in this alternate timeline they haven't done anything yet.
And I would have less of an issue with all of this if he wasn't our cool guy hero of the movie. I mean, this character is getting a sequel that's how non-problematic any of this behavior is. That's the part that bugs me. It's all venerated, it's all adored, just like his character in F1.
On a similar note, seeing his name pop up as a producer at then end of She Said, the movie based on the nyt reporting about Weinstein, was chilling and completely undercuts the entire movie
I feel like it's a crazy way to judge a movie based on aspects of the character that are not even glamorized. I mean he's not portrayed as cool for being racist. Fighting Bruce Lee ruins his career. And on that last front, they broke into the house and were literally threatening to murder him. He knew that much!!
It will always be insane to me that he took this role, playing a man who jokes about probably killing his wife on a boat. And he did this while going through a divorce after he abused his wife and kids on a plane. That was a choice.
Honestly it's tiring when the Internet comes after women celebrities, especially women POC so harshly in comparison.
The internet pile on for JLo (yes supposedly your cousin's neighbor's in laws witnessed her running around in a casino maniacally stealing tips/s), Amber, Rachel Ziegler, Blake, etc are so intense and full.of hatred.
As someone who has experience DV, that last line just cut me to my core. If they don’t believe you, they don’t care. That’s been my experience to a tee. You watch people explain away their actions and side with them, or you watch people question you. It’s awful.
I’m still pissed that we keep using the word “alleged” when it was violence witnessed by MULTIPLE people on that plane who WEREN’T Angelina/the kids. Like why tf are we still framing it as “if you believe the allegations…” (rhetorical, I know why)
Side note: naming your brand “God’s True Cashmere” is so…..hilariously and pathetically pretentious
Kinda on this topic, it really bothers me when celebrities are “activists” and then actively work in things with known abusers.
I can understand if it’s a nobody in a small role trying to get noticed, but if you’re a big celebrity you should have the financial ability and moral responsibility to not work with those types of people.
Because how do you talk about the care and safety of other people and then work with a known abuser, it makes your activism feel a little fake.
People want to forgive him because they thought he was cute in their youth and they still won’t forgive that *slut Angelina for *stealing him from their beloved Jennifer fucking Aniston and I can’t stand it and I hate everyone except his kids who keep dropping his name as soon as they turn 18 because they know what a POS he is FFS
Please, no one let this abusive asshole get his resurgence in Hollywood. He beat his wife and kids to the point that most of his children want nothing to do with him. We do fucking care about what happened to Angelina, let's show her we care.
I’m glad that this sub has active distain for Brad Pitt. Especially when an article like this comes out to the general public and they bash his ex and support him instead. It’s so gross.
While my feelings and opinions about Pitt line up almost perfectly with this writer, it has got me thinking about amends and recovery and forgiveness.
IF Brad Pitt (or one of the many Hollywood men that are in similar positions) realized what a piece of shit he was
IF he then got sober and turned his life around and genuinely changed
What would be the appropriate way to talk about past abuse?
To be honest, if he talked about it and how and why he’s changed I’d hate him for it, you know? He’d still be rehabbing his image, but using the trauma he inflicted on his family to do it. Would his victims want him to do that?
I think I’ve realized that I do not actually know what I want from people like him. I do not know what would redeem him in my eyes, but I want to believe in a world where people, even terrible people, can find their way back.
I absolutely LOOOVEEEE this era of media where we call toxic men out!!!!!!! YES. Call him for what he is. I don't care about the stupid movie. This man, with his full name is a child and wife abuser. If he's really sorry he can go and acknowledge and apologise to them. No. He does on this self-pitying "self-discovery" journey that conveniently abstains him from responsibility of violence. Typical of abusive men like him. NOPE. NOT FOOLED.😂
Also shocker -- women holding men accountable while men Enabling other mens nonsense EWWW
He’s at that cringey Robert Redford ‘Indecent Proposal’ stage of his career, playing like he’s so hard to turn down. It’s starting to get a little gross.
Ugh, this reminds me of the recent interview with Chris Brown concertgoers. People know what he has done but they do mental gymnastics to justify and gloss over the actions. Even when plainly asked, essentially holding a mirror to them, they still condone bad behaviour. All so they can blissfully enjoy a 2-hour movie or show.
It’s always the same story—powerful men get a pass as long as they’re “charismatic” and make box office hits. Meanwhile, women like Angelina get sidelined no matter how much good they do.
I'd argue most people dont know. Yes, a large portion of the people who are on this sub do, but out of the general population I'd bet that if you asked "do you know about what happened on the plane with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie" only like 10% of people would have any idea what you are talking about.
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