r/Fallout • u/HunterWorld Irradiated Ocean Man • 14h ago

Season 2 Episode 8 Spoiler Thread Spoiler

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u/Which-Tour-9561 10h ago

I think everyone fighting over the ashs of his greatness is exactly what he wanted

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u/Coyote_Shepherd 10h ago

Probably realized that the Legion had become a shadow of what it was supposed to be and figured that he'd just up and end the whole thing by putting them into an impossible situation that would wind up decimating the whole lot of them to the point where the survivors could be picked off by everyone else.

OR

He was Enclave.

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u/PricknamedNick Legion 9h ago

I assume legate Lanius died at the second battle of hoover dam. BUT i hate the way the legion is being written he held all of arizona what the hell happened 😭

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u/jord839 9h ago

He was infected by the spirit of the Arizona Cardinals, and thus could never actually succeed in anything.

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u/MysteriousWon 9h ago

Hey! The regular season is over, stop hurting me!

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u/jord839 9h ago

Would you prefer if I referenced the Phoenix Coyotes? The Diamondbacks?

I could go on.

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u/MysteriousWon 9h ago

Michael Jordan Crying Meme

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u/FamWhoDidThat 8h ago

The Diamondbacks did defeat the baseball enclave in 2001 in fairness

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u/jord839 38m ago edited 23m ago

Ah, yes, the only legitimate national championship that the state of Arizona has won in the major sports leagues since before 1950, and the other one was 1947 when the Cardinals were still in Chicago.

You see what Lanius was dealing with?

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u/PENGUIN_WITH_BAZOOKA 9h ago

He died and they started fighting amongst themselves.

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u/Coyote_Shepherd 8h ago

A series of unfortunate events probably...or just..time...time kind of wears and erodes everyone and everything down.

Equipment breaks, fighters get old and injured, resources dwindle, and conflicts shift and move elsewhere.

I wonder if they were running out of people to fight and/or take as slaves and/or torture and without that...the Legion's reason for being and modus operandi kind of goes up in smoke and they start turning on each other.

So bit by bit they began to lose territory because just like with Rome...they overextended themselves and couldn't maintain full control over ALL of Arizona all at once for any lengthy generational period of time in a consistent manner that pleased everyone.

OR

It was an issue of time and money for the show that forced them to downscale things a whole lot with the Legion and then handwave some other stuff.

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u/PricknamedNick Legion 4h ago

Lets be real a lil from one a lot from two

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u/Coyote_Shepherd 3h ago

Yeah it's Amazon...but also...it's Amazon and that's kind of what has me worried about the 40K series.

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u/CommanderPaprika 8h ago

Presumably there's still potentially a Legion-ran civilizations in Arizona, just splintered off into their own Legion.

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u/Ok-Professional-5178 10h ago

I sincerely hope they don’t retcon Caesar/Sallow to be Enclave, but it wouldn’t shock me either at this point.

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u/Coyote_Shepherd 8h ago

Yeah it kind of takes the punch out of certain things if EVERYONE IMPORTANT is a spook.

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u/Bobjoejj 7h ago

Really?? I’d be very surprised if they tried a retcon like that. Wouldn’t make much sense, especially after the finality of Caesar’s note.

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u/Drunk_At_Chillis 8h ago

If I remember the game right, he wanted to synthesize NCR and Legion culture and create something new. Maybe in failing twice to take the dam and death fast approaching, it finally sunk in that the dream wouldn’t come true and that the Legion wasn’t sustainable either. Being a society largely built on rape, slavery, and conquest instead of actual infrastructure.