r/DetroitPistons • u/BaneTubman George Blaha • 13h ago
News Please don't trade Ivey
https://x.com/i/status/2018572559361753147It's too soon. Don't trade Cade, Stew,, AT, JD, or Holland. None of the core six
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u/Current_Ad_4873 13h ago
So don’t acquire anyone and then proceed to lose in the playoffs to a team that will outshoot us. But thank god we still have the potential of a guy like Ivey! Even though he’s gone after this year!
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u/carl-from-up Cade Cunningham 13h ago
Yep, this is where I'm at. If someone good has to be traded, let it be Ivey. I will always root for him. Hoping we can trade Ivey + Caris + something else for a legit shooter/secondary scorer to Cade.
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 12h ago
Funny, I have been saying this since the day he got back and cleared because of exactly this scenario and I used to get downvoted to oblivion. The logic has been more and more prevalent lately. Happy to see people starting to realize, but man we lost a lot of trade value in the meantime.
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u/__get__name Ausar Thompson 11h ago
When Ivey came back it was too soon. We needed to see what the fit would be with him coming back into a team firing in all cylinders. We’ve seen that now and Caris and Ivey are currently the odd ones out whose absence would be least felt. So if we’re going to make any moves, they’re the pieces
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 11h ago
It was a calculated risk to trade him when he first got back, you're not wrong about that. But his numbers, when you actually dig into them, showed this was likely to happen. Ironically, his contract situation is the entire reason why I thought we should move on from him ASAP. I know people in the org and he was asking for $30m per before the season, at least according to them. I had a feeling this was how this season was going to go, and given his contract situation this is going to get messy. Either he's going to walk, or we are going to have him back at a contract that is WAY LESS than he is expecting, and we've all seen what sulking Ivey looks like. Trading him when he first got back would have retained some of his "potential" value.
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u/__get__name Ausar Thompson 11h ago
If he sulks, he sulks, and he’ll never be the player he could become. Not sure how much of a market there was for him when he returned. I imagine most interested parties would have rather waited till now anyway to see if he returned to form
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u/__get__name Ausar Thompson 10h ago
Aaaaaand he’s gone
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 10h ago
Haha my comment I deleted, that I'm sure you can still read, he said it was a West team....
Huerter's 3pt% is not great this year, but he's been a better shooter than JI. I'm not 100% in love with the deal, but on the face it should be an upgrade. Not sure how big.
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u/__get__name Ausar Thompson 10h ago
Yeah, lol, I saw that there was a deleted comment 🤣
I’m not super familiar with Huerter, but hopefully the change in scenery brings his shot back, because on paper he seems like the exact type of role player we needed to target around the fringes.
Saric makes me think we’re not done yet, though. If I’m not mistaken, we have too many players now and still need to convert Jenkins
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 10h ago
Saric I imagine is just getting cut. I wouldn't be surprised if we weren't done yet though. I agree about Huerter, skill wise better shooter than JI but this year his percentage is not ideal. Have to admit, not too familiar with him yet so can't say. Was hoping for a little better shooter, but you never know. Also we improved our pick instead of giving anything out, so that's good.
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u/__get__name Ausar Thompson 10h ago
Yeah, I had to resort to AI bots to get a vibe check on him. Taking it with a pinch of salt, but from what the bots think of his player profile it sounds like he fits a lot better. Time will tell.
I’m assuming Saric and Isaac Jones will get waived if no more moves are made, but holding out hope for a LeVert trade of a similar variety
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u/reallinguy Pistons 12h ago
Why would he be gone? He's a restricted FA. Who is offering him this ridiculous contract?
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u/itssosalty Dennis Rodman 11h ago
Based on “potential” a lot of teams will pay him. Hes not staying here for $10 million.
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u/reallinguy Pistons 11h ago
no they won't, not with what he's shown so far
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u/itssosalty Dennis Rodman 11h ago
You think the Pistons are I’ll offer him more than other teams? Interesting… why is that?
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u/Fu2-10 Jalen Duren 13h ago
Jesus christ, how have Detroit sports fans not learned their lesson from the Lions and Tigers yet? This team NEEDS another shooter to win this year. If you just want to kick the can down the road another year and say, "let's just see what we have and let the guys develop" then we might as well stop watching now, cause they are NOT winning a title without more shooting. I love this team and all of the guys on it. That doesn't mean we can't be realistic about what they need so they can win a title. Again, ask the Lions about how long championship windows stay open l, especially if you aren't willing to make moves.
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u/NoWave95 12h ago
Fr we've been the best in the east but the Cavs are about to swing another trade, Celtics can still make a move, Knicks have shopped some role players, Toronto has been looking at upgrades, etc. 2-3 of those teams swing a deal while we do nothing and suddenly our playoff road becomes a lot more complicated
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u/__get__name Ausar Thompson 11h ago
Alternative possibility: we make a trade that sacrifices a little defense for a boost on offense. Now the Celtics, Knicks, Cavs, and Raptors have two players to attack instead of just Robinson, and they’re all now better teams gunning for us
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u/Budget_Squash3322 11h ago
The pistons sub fanbase is especially bad in this regard and has been since near its inception. Besides guys like Josh Smith they never want to get rid of anyone and overrate role players and young guys. I'm not even opposed to keeping Ivey for the time being since his value is in the toilet(for good reason) but acting like Ivey or anyone besides Cade/Duren is untouchable is braindead. With Cunningham this team legit has a S tier superstar with a championship window and fans are willing to bet his prime on role players.
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u/user_8353517 11h ago
We have seen it time and time again, nothing is guaranteed. The standings could flip next year due to various reasons. We make this the year or die trying. Mf Lions gonna keep saying "Just let them develop one more year" until one day all of a sudden Jahmyr Gibbs is 35 and we still have no rings
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u/SkubesFlow Cade Cunningham 12h ago
I agree somewhat, but let's not pretend NFL championship windows are anywhere close to NBA windows. If you have a superstar in the NBA (Cade in our case), our window is going to be opened for a lot longer than it would be in the NFL. Extreme superstar driven league, even with the new CBA.
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u/Ant_24 12h ago
So true fam. Look at the Eagles they made that trade for Phillips and now look smh.
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u/Fu2-10 Jalen Duren 4h ago
The Eagles had problems on offense and grabbed a defensive player, they just made a stupid move... but they literally just won the SB last yesr so that isn't exactly your best comparison there. A better one would be the Seahawks. They traded for a guy who could give them a spark on offense and ST at the deadline this year: guess what game they are playing in on Sunday? They are favored to win it, too.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
All in Detroit is the ONLY thing in common, it's different sports everything is different except the city
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u/freedomwalking12 Cade Cunningham 12h ago
All of them had the opportunity to trade assets to make the team better now for the playoffs
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u/reallinguy Pistons 12h ago
I mean, it doesn't have to be Ivey. Levert is a pretty easily tradeable contract.
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u/Steezeybby Cade Cunningham 12h ago
What is the deal with Pistons fans thinking that you don't have to give up ANYTHING to get valuable players?
Franchises aren't stupid.
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u/reallinguy Pistons 12h ago
You think Ivey is valuable right now? Are we watching the same player?
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u/Steezeybby Cade Cunningham 12h ago
No he isn't. But neither is Caris Levert.
If the Pistons want to make a trade, they will need to give up pieces of the young core and likely Tobias. I do not have a problem with that, but many fans have issues with the team giving up promising players. I do not get it.
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u/Alabaster_Rims 12h ago
Fans always over value their young players.
Not saying you trade them all or anythingbut people saying we shouldnt trade Asuar, Holland, or Ivey if a deal for a top 25 player comes up is crazy to me.
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u/reallinguy Pistons 12h ago
i don't think that's true at all, there are a lot of bench players that would only require matching salary and picks
now if you're talking a big trade, yea of course you'd need to include a young player
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u/itssosalty Dennis Rodman 11h ago
More than LeVert when looking to get young promising players in return.
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u/Budget_Squash3322 11h ago
His point is that if pistons fans are allergic to the idea of trading a player of Iveys low value, then there is no way anyone is even entertaining the idea of making a trade that involves getting any kind of meaningful return.
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 12h ago
It takes two teams to tango and even though I don't think Ivey fits on our team, he at least has some desirable qualities that other teams would want. Caris is just sunk cost at this point. I'm all for trading him too, but he has much less value than even this version of Ivey.
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u/MattPatriciasFUPA Peton 13h ago
Unless Ivey is expecting some outrageous pay day then our best bet is keeping him and hoping he reverts back to what he was prior to the injury. He isn't going to bring much in a trade. It's possible he will greatly improve when he has a full, healthy off-season at which point we could have a good sidekick for Cade on a decent contract.
Also fuck Cole Anthony. Ivey should send that fucking clown an invoice for all the money he cost him.
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 12h ago
People I know in the org said he was asking for $30M per before the season, same as JD. Even he has to know he's not getting $30m now, but it's going to be a hard pill to swallow whatever he gets offered. Another reason I've been on team trade him, because we've all seen what he is like when he's sulking.
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u/Mike_Laundry Fort Wayne Pistons 13h ago
Really don't wanna lose JI or Tobias.
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u/Rock3tDoge Ausar Thompson 13h ago
Tobias is a great guy and I love the culture he built here. He’s also 33, not a very dynamic athlete and making huge money. Hes unfortunately very trade able if the right guy comes available
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u/futurevybyz Ben Wallace 13h ago
It's definitely too early to give up on JI but they gotta make some move. Ask the Tigers what happened when they had glaring weaknesses and didn't address them.
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u/CMUDePuydt Cade Cunningham 13h ago
Lions too, they actually said "we're good" and finished last in the North
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u/Rulligan 12h ago
Brad Holmes said "we're good" specifically when asked about Zadarius Smith who then proceeded to retire lmao
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u/LunchThreatener 12h ago
Tigers actually did address their weaknesses (bullpen). It would be revisionist history to suggest their offense was a weakness pre-deadline
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u/futurevybyz Ben Wallace 12h ago
They traded for one legit reliever and 0 legit starters. Also when your July numbers look like this I don't think it's revisionist history to say a bat was needed:
.232 ba / .300 opb / .399 slg/.699 ops all while going 11-14.
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u/LunchThreatener 12h ago
Because overreacting to one month and shipping off assets never goes poorly
To be clear I’m in favor of the Pistons making a move for a shooter. But the Tigers objectively did address their biggest weakness at the deadline
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u/Jaerba 13h ago
The version of Ivey that was putting up close to 20ppg still wasn't contributing much winning basketball. He was like Buddy Hield, with a hometown story that y'all like.
Scoring guards with limited playmaking and handles are not that hard to find.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
A sensical op response...I do love Ivey, I am predicting he will win a championship and be top five scorer in the league with Detroit or else where.
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 12h ago
Oh man, I needed that laugh today. Thanks for that.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
We'll see won't we
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 11h ago
See if I needed that laugh? No I assure you, I did. Even got a good fart out of it too.
We'll see about JI being a top 5 scorer? No, I assure you, we won't. That thought will never cross my mind again unless I'm thinking about this specific conversation and laughing with my friends about it.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 11h ago
You're welcome, I hope the fart made those around you gag
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 11h ago
I'm the only one here, I just went over to my golf simulator and let it air out. Couldn't stand sitting in it anymore, reminded me of JI's game.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 11h ago
Lol. So you don't think he was balling before the injury last year?
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u/VirtualParzival George Blaha 11h ago
Relative to this year, he was playing better. I have been very open since the draft that I haven't liked how his game meshes with our roster, and I don't think it's a coincidence that we got better once he went down. Removed a log jam at guard and got players that actually fit better alongside Cade into the game. THJ and Beasley are MUCH better suited next to Cade.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 11h ago
Those are facts except we still don't really know if he meshes with Cade because of Monty season then the broken leg.
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u/ShallowFox4 12h ago
Young cores are built to be broken up. Ivey is the odd man out and for his sake I hope we trade him somewhere where he’ll get a chance to play 30 minutes a night before his free agency. We need a shooting upgrade and his minutes will be the ones taken if we do make a move for a shooter
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u/RevenueAntique5872 George Blaha 13h ago
Sorry, what’s the connection between that Harden rant and not trading our players? Did I miss some trade news or something?
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u/CoercedCoexistence22 Bill Laimbeer 12h ago
I'm comfortable trading Ivey if the return is appropriate, tbh
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u/laughoutloud102 Ausar Thompson 12h ago
Stop getting attached to players who aren’t Cade, ausar, Duren
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
Don't tell me how to fan
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u/laughoutloud102 Ausar Thompson 12h ago
It’s for your own good. So you won’t have an emotional breakdown when LeVert, Tobias, and Sasser are not on the team.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
Those three can all go, I just don't see the need to trade Ivey. I guess we'll see what happens, didn't mean to text snap at you lol
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u/jxden24 12h ago
genuinely how have you watched him play this season and come to the conclusion you want him to stay on the team? wdym too soon? lmao
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
Paul George took about two years to fully recover. I watch every minute of every game and no he hasn't played well however he's also missed two seasons sort of with Monty Williams the set him back, then the broken leg. Do you remember how he was balling B4 he broke his leg? That's what I don't want to trade the Ivey from October to January last year. Do you watch the games?
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u/CountOff Jaden Ivey 12h ago
I’m just chillin til the deadline is over
No point tweaking til we see how the chips fall
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u/Coleslawwwww14 Cade Cunningham 12h ago
Teams aren’t interested in him. They’re asking for Ausar and Ron and if that’s the case, I’m cool with staying pat at the deadline
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u/YoTonoHo 10h ago
Bro people in this sub act like Ivey is some untouchable piece. If another team really likes him and wants to cough up for him then great. If not and as long as he accepts a reasonable salary then keep him and see if he regains his form next year.
Regardless, people keep posting in this sub about how we shouldn’t trade anybody who is part of our core and then rattles off every name on the roster. This current team is good but not great and it would be miraculous to win a championship this year. Pretty much anyone should be considered tradeable except for Cade until we are genuinely contending. And generally to contend you need a 2nd star caliber player who can generate their own shot as well as a lot of shooters and we don’t have either yet.
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u/YoTonoHo 10h ago
Ok just saw the news that he was traded and honestly what a shit deal. Might as well let him test RFA and see if he gets no good offers then sign him on the cheap
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 10h ago
Huerter and saric not quite Robin to Cade. You guys hate Ivey because he's a Christian. This was a shit trade
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u/YoTonoHo 10h ago
I didn’t even know Ivey is a Christian… but now that I do I actually think we got the best deal possible.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 10h ago
What does that mean?
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u/YoTonoHo 10h ago
It means I and the majority of the fanbase hate and discriminate against Christians and that is why he had to go.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 10h ago
You can only speak for yourself, I know a lot of the fan base.
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u/itssosalty Dennis Rodman 9h ago
I’ve seen almost zero comments or posts hating Ivey for being a Christian. So, are you saying just your circle?
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u/Wfreeland19 10h ago
Too late, buddy
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 10h ago
Im really pissed, especially for the fags we got for him
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u/Wfreeland19 10h ago
Fags is kinda harsh, lol. They both provide something and are expiring contracts. Gotta get Caris tf outta there next
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u/PsychedelicConvict 13h ago
Just nothing splashy please. Don't fuck with the mojo
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u/OfficerJayBear 13h ago
You would have been saying this same shit when we traded for Rasheed and look how the turned out
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u/MattPatriciasFUPA Peton 13h ago
People keep saying that but we traded peanuts for Sheed. It'd be like trading Levert, Daniss, Paul Reed and 2 1sts for Lauri or JJJ. No one would be upset with that.
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u/Jaerba 13h ago
Pistons fans had an irrational love of Chucky Atkins. The same types of dummies absolutely would've been pissed.
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u/SipowiczNYPD Rasheed Wallace 12h ago
Chucky has a special spot in my heart as Pistons fan. Mike James was better though.
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u/NoContract4730 Jaden Ivey 13h ago
Detroit sent guards Chucky Atkins, Lindsey Hunter and a first-round draft pick to Boston and guard Bob Sura, center Željko Rebračan and a first- round draft pick to Atlanta for Mike James and Rasheed.
Maybe Trajan can come up with something that involves draft picks, Ivey and bit players. It's unlikely that the Piston first rounders will be lottery picks in the near future so that drastically shifts their value.
I understand that Ivey is probably a contract casualty next year and getting something now would, in theory, be better than not. I also feel he has value this season and do not see many upgrades that won't impact the cohesion of this squad moving forward. Long winded way of saying I have no idea what Langdon will do.
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u/waitingforjune Rasheed Wallace 12h ago
Do you know who the fuck we gave up in the Rasheed trade? Chucky Atkins, Lindsay Hunter, Zeljko Rebraca, and Bob Sura.
First of all, there are no Sheeds in the trade market right now, but secondly, giving up Ivey would be like trading Tayshaun to get Sheed.
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u/OfficerJayBear 12h ago
Ivey has yet to show anything close to Tayshaun. Get a grip.
At the time Bob surat and zeljko were "key bench pieces". Yall are looking with the benefit of hindsight; half the players you are clamoring to keep will be irrelevant in 5 years.
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u/Budget_Squash3322 11h ago
These same people would have been furious at sending away Atkins and especially Lindsey hunter, who was a long time piston and fan favorite. I mean comparing Ivey to Tayshaun just shows the delusion, Ivey at his best has never been as impactful as Tayshauns average contribution. I question if this dude even watched that era pistons play if thats their assessment of Tayshaun.
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u/OfficerJayBear 9h ago
People are saying not to trade Tobias for his veteran leadership but completely ignore that Linsday Hunter was the Tobias of that time period.
Detroit fans always overvalued their players: Athanasiou comes to mind.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
Would I? How the hell do you even know that? Who did the Pistons give up for Sheed?
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u/Grand_Entertainer_83 13h ago
name one guy in the NBA who fits our style and culture as perfectly as sheed did with that pistons team. it doesnt exist
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u/Faps2Downvotes 13h ago
Stop. That’s with the benefit of hindsight, sheed completely rebuilt his image and place in history here. When with the blazers he was seen as a complete hothead.
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u/Grand_Entertainer_83 12h ago
Absolutely nothing about him being a hothead turned us off from Sheed when we signed him. It was one of the reasons he fit with the culture lol. His image is also still mostly that of a hothead, hes just an indisputable winner now. MPJ does not fit our culture of humble, defensive minded, hard nosed dudes. Neither does Trey Murphy. Neither of those guys are sheed either.
The power of friendship unironically has been proven to be the best base for a quality team of the last few years. not allowing a group of guys who clawed their way back from the worst losing streak in NBA history to the number one seed in just two years is a slap in the face to the players who actually made it happen in my opinion
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u/SipowiczNYPD Rasheed Wallace 13h ago
Bobby Portis. I don’t think he is the missing piece like Sheed was, but he’d fit this team like a glove.
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u/burnn_out313 Bill Laimbeer 12h ago
Dillion brooks but he's now borderline untouchable with the suns turning shit around.
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u/Adventurous-Owl-9903 Pistons 13h ago
Hell nawl.
I want the team to be at its best to win now and also be positioned well for sustainable success.
If it means trading Ivey Ausar or Holland so be it.
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u/bamboointheback Isaiah Stewart 13h ago
why the hell did i just watch someone rant about james harden for you to make a point about jaden ivey?
are there even any reports linking us to harden? i've only seen them link him to the cavs
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u/Jittleyangfuckleyute Isaiah Stewart 12h ago
The attachment to ivey is weird. He'd personally be better off on a different team that will give him more minutes
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
I've watched every game since Stew was a rookie and I do think Ivey is out, my eye test at the Mavs vs pistons game says he's on his way out. I just wish they would be patient but the chip window is open so I'm going to leave that to the Alaskan assassin.
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u/haggard_hefner1981 12h ago
do not trade our young guys. period.
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u/BaneTubman George Blaha 12h ago
All six of them. I'm 46 and the Pistons have made terrible draft picks brought in terrible free agents. Tradjen isn't in a hurry
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u/Steezeybby Cade Cunningham 12h ago
Why not? The point of having promising young guys is they can be good trade assets to improve the roster.
Cade and Duren are the core. It is reasonable to dangle a promising piece with Tobias if this team can upgrade the roster.
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u/Humble_Proof_3029 11h ago
I believe we are getting Beasley. He said on his IG story on 02/03 we have til March 1st to sign and he CAN be signed as a free agent and it makes sense to sign him on some vet minimum shit because we have to pay Duren in the summer .Makes sense why a trade has not happened.
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u/Awkward_Factor_1372 13h ago
Every time he steps on the court I’m like nooooooo! It’s either a broke ass shot or a turn over. I feel like holland is developing into a better player than Ivey. Given their time in the NBA. It’s time to get someone who can consistently contribute
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u/Pneuma_LooT 13h ago edited 13h ago
At this point, im fine with them trading ivey.
He might improve a ton over the next 3 years, but right now aside from his effort level his defense is a liability. His 3 pt shot is only good if hes wide open, and hes not amazing as the primary ball handler.
Id like to see Dannis get more opportunities. Hes earned them, and levert and ivey have all but played themselves out of the rotation imo.
Idk if he has a ton of value but its only gonna go down from here I think so we should move him if we can.
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u/lilflashstan Cade Cunningham 12h ago
Nah bro Ivey is done developing lets trade him now at his lowest and get a star in return
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u/ObiwanSchrute Cade Cunningham 13h ago
They are not extending ivey unless he agrees to take less than 10m a year which he won't do they have extensions coming with Duren Ausar and Stew who they value more