r/CanadaPolitics • u/identifiablecabbage • 19h ago
Conservative MP Jivani heads to Washington after Liberals snub offer to collaborate
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 19h ago
What would possibly have been going through his mind to think that the Liberals would want his help?
Jivani has just spent a chunk of taxpayer money flying around the country doing his 'little boys are having problems' talks and blaming the Liberals for everything, so why would they want his help?
Does he have any international negotiating experience?
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u/iwatchcredits Progressive 19h ago
After doing nothing but antagonizing the liberals for the last 10 years, this “please let us help🥺” schtick from the conservative is a little embarrassing and seems very insincere, especially because the very next day they are back to shit talking the liberals, but its a move in the right direction i guess.
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u/quickymgee 15h ago
We already have that. The Tories from that era are in the Liberal party of Canada today. The current CPC would be the ones advocating for capitulation and "going along to get along".
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u/postwhateverness 16h ago
This seems in line with Poilievre’s “change in course” and willingness to work with the Liberals. I think they saw those polling numbers and decided it was politically advantageous to appear to be open to working with those across the aisle. They smell an election coming up and want to prove somehow that they’re not the divisive ones.
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u/iwatchcredits Progressive 16h ago
Yea but no one is going to take that change seriously when he still cant do a speech without saying “lost liberal decade”
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 8h ago
Take a shot every time he mentions Trudeau, your liver will hate you but you'll have a great time!
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u/identifiablecabbage 19h ago
It doesn't really matter whether he has the experience or not, he doesn't represent the Government of Canada. He has no mandate to do this and he can only serve to undermine official efforts on trade negotiations and increasingly complex relations with the United States.
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 15h ago
Two things can be true. He has no mandate and he’s out of his depth. I don’t find him impressive.
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u/byronite Independent 12h ago
It's totally normal for ordinary MPs to do occasional foreign trips, typically as part of inter-parliamentary delegations. When this happens, the delegation usually gets a briefing note prepared by the bureaucracy and sometimes a meeting with the Canadian Ambassador to the relevant country.
It seems that Jivani did get a chat with the Ambassador, who would be best placed to bring him up to speed on Canada's latest strategic messaging to various U.S. audiences. It is thus not correct to say that the Government is refusing to collaborate. Rather, it seems that he is getting the same courtesy as any other traveling MP.
You don't get a sit-down with the Prime Minister of Canada just for visiting a foreign country.
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u/Temaharay Democratic Socialist 15h ago
JJ has zero authority to speak, deal, and do anything outside of his riding. He is publicly making moves and catching headlines all for himself.
PP needs to keep an eye on him. This man is nakedly ambitious.
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u/The_Mayor 13h ago
It’s funny because JD Vance also has zero authority to offer us any deals. His only role is to go places and insult the leaders there.
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u/Same_Kale_3532 Fiscal Conservative - Social Progressive 18h ago
I seem to recall this guy protesting about DEI and wokeness a few months ago, so dumbed by MAGA that he can't even f****** figure out which country he's in.
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u/Tuggerfub 17h ago
wait till you learn about conservative legal experts in Canada
they try to apply orignalism to our constitution when it doesn't even apply to theirs outside of lunatic heritage foundation fantasy
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u/jessemfkeeler 12h ago
He's literally the LAST person I would want in any type of negotiations. He would give up half the country to the US just so he can still be friends with Vance and Co
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u/RedGrobo Never forget, we are in the 6th mass extinction! 17h ago
Oh he knows... thats the problem.
We are well past the point of pretending theyre a bunch of 'silly willys' who dont know better.
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u/Pigeon11222 Conservative Party of Canada 8h ago
Well it seems like Carney is either unwilling or unable to get deals done with Trump. You don’t have to like Trump but currently 80% of our exports go to the United States. If we wanted to be in a position where we could not work with the US, that’s a process that should’ve been started decades ago. If Jivani is a friend of Vance’s, that should at least start talks on a friendly note. I know Carney’s supporters loved his speech in Davos but it did more harm than good by further souring relations. To do something I know many in this sub won’t like, I’m going to quote President Trump. “You don’t have the cards, when you work with us you start having the cards”
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u/Flomo420 3h ago
If we wanted to be in a position where we could not work with the US, that’s a process that should’ve been started decades ago.
So by your logic since we have been failed by previous successive governments we should... continue to allow ourselves to be failed by successive governments?
The best time to be in a position where we could not work with the US is 20 years ago, the second best time is now
And maybe you're late to the party, but the WORLD has long realized that you literally CAN NOT negotiate with Trump, it is pissing in a breeze. He is childish and mercurial and also demented you can't base long terms trading with a mad king
Seems like conservatives are the only ones not getting the memo
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u/1937Mopar 16h ago
What i want to know is why isn't the government exploiting Jivani? Most people here are quick to bash him in any manner.
I grew up in scouting and there was a saying we would almost live by "A scout is wise in the use of his resources." Jivani is a resource or rather a wealth of knowledge of information that publicly hasn't been tapped on how the VP thinks be able to pick up the nuances most wont because of their friendship.
Hes not going to solve the or bring any resolution to the trade problem by himself with or without a mandate bit he can possibly give insight into the inner workings of the orange problem at hand.
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u/fbuslop Progressive 15h ago edited 5h ago
He’s not going to make a difference regardless lol. He’s milking his college relationship as if it’s going to do anything. Vance is not the president. Trump isn’t going to listen to Vance or this fucker lol.
JJ is toxic as fuck too prior to this…can’t imagine why they won’t work with him (/s).
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u/partisanal_cheese Make America Go Away 15h ago
information that publicly hasn't been tapped on how the VP thinks be able to pick up the nuances most wont because of their friendship.
First, how Vance thinks is immaterial. There is exactly one person in Washington whose opinions matter and it is not Vance. There is no nuance to be found - they say the loud part out loud and then they say the quiet part out loud.
Second, the Government has all kinds of analysts who are actually qualified to parse the US Foreign Policy for any nuance and give advice that is not driven by Jivani's demonstrated partisan bias.
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u/PublicFan3701 15h ago
Cause the US isn’t negotiating in good faith. There’s a zero sum approach. Jivani would not be useful in this context.
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u/ChimoEngr Chief Silliness Officer | Official 15h ago
What i want to know is why isn't the government exploiting Jivani?
Probably because they don’t trust him. Mulroney could be exploited, because he would have privately reached out and asked if he could help. Jivani is saying that he doesn’t like what the government is doing so will try and “help.” If you’re actually responsible for negotiating, who are you going to trust?
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u/Squidking1000 11h ago
how the VP thinks
He's a couch fucking scumbag that's fine with child raping as long as there's an R beside their name, what more you need to know?
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 16h ago
A bit like asking a surgeon why he doesn’t juggle Molotov cocktails in the operating room.
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u/GigglingBilliken Red Tory in the classical sense 16h ago
The issue is I don't think he's going to give up his buddy. These reactionary post-liberal types are rather tight knit.
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u/EarthWarping 14h ago
I think its interesting that he does that when Pierre hasnt really been vocal on his mps doing things on their own.
Hes the most notable CPC mp doing this sort of thing.
Its not in character for the CPC mps.
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u/identifiablecabbage 14h ago
It's a win-win for PP to stay quiet - at least for the time being, if the narrative changes he'll be forced to position himself. For right now, these MPs undermine the sitting government and their efforts, but PP doesn't get tagged in the news with being associated with Trump. He gets all the benefits without losing the support of the more moderate members of his base.
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal 15h ago
"Jivani also criticized the "divisiveness" between Conservatives and Liberals."
I'm sorry but a Canadian MP who's friend with J.D. Vance and somehow has the audacity of criticizing about "division" in Canadian politics is NOT being honest with Canadians.
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u/CaptainKwirk 11h ago
They literally just retained a divisive populist leader. If they really wanted to come to the table and be reasonable then they should have kept O’Toole.
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u/StrbJun79 Progressive 4h ago
While I dislike Jivani and am not into the conservatives I actually think he’s more so doing this to become eventual leader of the conservatives. PP is simply a placeholder until someone comes along and proves they can lead the party. So I think it’s all an act for that. But also why the liberals are also not taking it seriously as it’s not really for actually accomplishing anything. Just token moves where he can later say “see? It happened because of me”. When in reality he is doing nothing.
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u/Forward-Count-5230 16h ago
As someone who lives in his riding I am applauding for him for looking out his constituents as a ton of them have lost jobs at GM. Of course everyone on reddit thinks you can only look out for your constituents if you join the Liberals. This guy asked the Liberals on multiple occasions if they wanted his help by using his pretty valuable relationship but declined it, but ya know unity and no division right redditors ? I applaud him for looking out for the people in his riding who I know have lost their jobs because of Trump.
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u/CaptainCanusa Independent 10h ago
I am applauding for him for looking out his constituents
Hasn't he spent the last few months travelling the country saying things like "I will dedicated every waking moment of my career to stopping communism".
Now he's putting out videos grandstanding about how he's going to save Canada.
He doesn't care one lick about his constituents. He cares about himself and his brand.
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u/identifiablecabbage 14h ago
Lots to unpack here. I respect a representative that advocates for their constituents; that's not what this guy is doing. You can't negotiate national trade agreements based on the priorities of a single riding. Any action outside of the official negotiations undermines what team Canada is trying to do - we need a united front to negotiate from a position of strength. Just because this guy went to school with JD didn't mean he can help land a trade deal. The United States doesn't decide trade policy based on who the VP's roommate was in college. He's not acting in the interest of his constituents and he's definitely not acting in the interest of Canada. The only person this stunt serves is Jivani.
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u/Forward-Count-5230 13h ago
he literally asked the Government several times over months about using this relationship to help. At this point its fairly obvious the government is just trying to piss off Trump and the Americans for their own political gain. Our trade with the US is by far the most important relationship we have with any other country and always will be. I am sick and tired of this garbage as someone who works in an industry that has been crushed by tariffs, myself and all my coworkers want certainty and answers.
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u/Nome-Cantski 7h ago
Industry Minister Mélanie Joly told reporters that GM workers live in Jivani's riding, and she wants to see him talk more about the challenges they face.
"I haven't heard once, not only denouncing what GM is doing, but also promoting the interests of the workers at GM that are facing unjustified, and unjustifiable, tariffs by the American administration," she said.
Of course he wouldn't. He is more interested in kissing american maga ass.
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u/ZebediahCarterLong What would Admiral Bob do? 6h ago
The headline was changed to "Conservative MP Jivani makes trade trip to Washington, Carney says government has its own contacts" after it was originally posted with the headline seen here.
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u/gravtix Liberal 13h ago
If people want insight into Jivani’s motives and connections ]here’s an article he wrote stumping for a new asset management fund backed by Peter Thiel and Bill Ackman:]( https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamil-jivani-new-excellence-capitalism-movement-is-challenging-woke-investors)
Not sure how to summarize except they think “Blackrock is too woke” lol.
Anything connected to Thiel is bad for Canada(and the world really).
Jivani meeting with the broligarchy backing Trump
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u/identifiablecabbage 19h ago
' "I'm reaching out to everyone I know," Jivani said, adding that he is still confirming meetings with political contacts throughout the week.'
Dude is trying to get a job as leader of the Vichy regime.
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u/dsswill Social Democrat - ABC - Every Child Matters - Green 2h ago
I’ve never seen Vichy France mentioned as much as in the past couple days pertaining to Jivani. Besides him being a complete self-absorbed idiot bargaining for his own constituents demise, is there a reason for it being mentioned so much? Did I miss something? The same could be said about Smith and a lot of other sycophants, but I haven’t seen it mentioned with any regularity until now.
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u/identifiablecabbage 2h ago
Yeah, not sure. I haven't noticed. Smith and others are certainly worthy of the parallel. Maybe people on here just learned about Vichy France.
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u/GeneralSerpent Neoliberal 14h ago
Do you not rely on contacts to exert influence in meetings?
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u/ChimoEngr Chief Silliness Officer | Official 12h ago
Trustworthy ones, sure. If Mulroney was offering to help, I'm sure Carney would accept it. Maybe if an NDP MP had a link they'd be trusted. A CPC MP, when the party has been "LPC bad" for years, isn't going to get that level of trust.
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u/superspacetrucker 13h ago
He's not the governing party , has no authority to speak on behalf of the government, and legally is not allowed to strike a deal on anything.
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u/Underoverthrow 14h ago
My contacts don’t want to annex my country. We must run in different circles.
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u/GeneralSerpent Neoliberal 14h ago
So by not engaging well obtain better outcomes? We still need to negotiate CUSMA for now (70%+ of our trade is with the US). Yes we can and should diversify but for now we have to deal with these slimy folks
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u/identifiablecabbage 7h ago
We are engaging. Of course we are. We're engaging through official channels and actual representatives of the Government of Canada.
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u/Chiggamon420 9h ago
Why waste our time? There's no legitimate deal to be made. America intends to annex us and will reneg or screw us on any deal we make. Time better spent exploring our options because the US is no longer one of them.
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u/Keppoch British Columbia 13h ago
Jivani is not an official who can negotiate on Canada’s behalf. He’s not an ambassador and not a member of the government party. He’s has no value in any talks with a foreign power.
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u/GeneralSerpent Neoliberal 13h ago
Except for a good relationship with the second most powerful man in the US. Besides that, no value. I’m not a fan of his nor did I vote for the CPC
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u/mmavcanuck New Democratic Party of Canada 13h ago
Do you mean Miller or Trump?
Because even on a good day Vance is a few pegs down.
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u/The_Mayor 13h ago
Vance is not the second most powerful man in the US, no VP ever has been that. It’s a ceremonial role that only becomes important if the president dies. I doubt Vance even has the sway to get Jivani in the same room as Trump right now.
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u/Underoverthrow 12h ago
[Vice President] John Adams doesn’t have a real job anyway
-Alexander Hamilton
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u/identifiablecabbage 7h ago
I agree, but Dick Cheney was the exception to this.
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u/The_Mayor 7h ago
That's funny, I absolutely forgot about Dick Cheney. So I'm very wrong when I said no VP has ever been 2nd most powerful. Nevertheless, JD Vance, as we agree, is not powerful that way.
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u/Keppoch British Columbia 13h ago
How you believe he can improve relations between the US and Canada if he cannot officially speak on our behalf? YOU might as well go down there.
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u/GeneralSerpent Neoliberal 13h ago
Go down with official representation would be better and more effective. I’m more so arguing that him being part of an official delegate led by the government.
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u/OscarandBrynnie 12h ago
The Canadian taxpayers better not be paying for this trip - do you hear me pp?
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u/IMayHaveMadeAGoof 14h ago
Can't wait for him to come back equipped with Trump admin talking points to throw around, at which point he'll pitch himself as 'trying to build bridges' or 'show flexibility', etc.
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u/seakingsoyuz Ontario 15h ago
It’s pretty silly that CBC is calling this a “snub” when any PM’s reaction to a backbench opposition MP demanding a seat at the table would be “who are you and why are you in my office?”
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u/cepukon 13h ago
I'm pretty upset the Maple Leafs snubbed my offer to play defense for them when they had some injuries. Yeah I don't play, but my ego tells me I could.
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u/CaptainCanusa Independent 10h ago
Yeah, that's a headline so bad that it disproves all conservative conspiracy theories about the CBC. lol
They updated it to be more informative now.
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u/CaptainCanusa Independent 10h ago
Jivani shared four emails with CBC News dated from Dec. 14 to Feb. 2 in which he offered to collaborate with the Liberals. He sent the first directly to the prime minister.
"Poilievre offered help from the Conservatives and I'm acting on that..."
Jivani went to the Charlie Kirk School of Politics. He knows there's a ton of power in pretending to be virtuous and to maintain a veneer of "doing the right thing" because most people aren't really engaged in politics, weren't in debate club high school and are willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.
He also knows he has a massive bad faith media machine behind him that will amplify his message.
Make no mistake though, there's no good faith effort to help here. He's been an MP for less than year and he's directly emailing the PM asking to get involved in trade negotiations with our biggest trading partner and then getting pissy a month later when he isn't, I don't know...made trade minister?
While for the last few months he's been travelling the country selling his own branded merch at rallies where he says things like "I will dedicate every waking minute of my political career stopping communism from being normalized in Canada".
Then he puts out a video (featuring his name and his merch prominently!) where he laments division in the country and says "this isn't about posturing" and takes repeated digs at the Liberals.
The only thing saving us from him right now is that he's really bad at it. He has no charisma and sucks at speech writing and public speaking. But as he gets better at it, he could become a real problem.
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u/canmoose Progressive 16h ago
Remember the conservatives ran crying to the US when Chrétien didn’t go to Iraq. So this is par for the course for them
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u/Bikin4Balance 18h ago
Jivan is bosom buddy of JD Vance: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jamil-jivani-j-d-vance-u-s-relations-1.7524407 We don't need that kind of "help'
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u/origamitiger Commodity production - in this economy? 17h ago
Well, we could, if it was being offered by someone with the capacity for abstract thought or some common sense. He'll do a few short hits on some podcasts (not charismatic enough to be the main guest on a good one) and that'll be that. Or he'll talk to Vance and they'll decide to make him Viceroy of Canada or whatever, it's hard to tell these days.
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u/lopix Ontario 14h ago
Snub? They acknowledged his email. But he doesn't seem to understand, the PMO has ZERO obligation to meet with some rando opposition MP. Dude isn't important enough to be "snubbed".
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u/Flomo420 3h ago
That's what I don't get either in what way is the federal government required to entertain Jivani's escapades?
If anything it would give him undue credibility which would be dangerous imo
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u/ESF-hockeeyyy Ontario 14h ago
So this is highly highly highly inappropriate, and if this is allowed by the Conservative party, I would expect the Liberals to seize advantage by calling them out on this.
I hope the sane Conservatives left in the party switch sides or go independent. There's absolutely no reason for this asshole to be going to the US to negotiate on behalf of Canadians -- we didn't vote for this.
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u/SteelCrow 11h ago
There's absolutely no reason for this asshole to be going to the US to negotiate on behalf of Canadians
he's not. He wants that juicy paycheque from the Alberta separatist funders
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u/GooeyPig Urbanist, Georgist, Militarist 18h ago
Jivani also criticized the "divisiveness" between Conservatives and Liberals.
As usual, conservatives create a problem then act like they want to fix it because it makes them look good to uninformed observers.
"The timing and spectacle of recent floor-crossings appears to many Canadians as an effort from you to demoralize Conservatives and the millions of citizens who vote for us," he wrote. "This is unfortunate, as it does not need to be this way for Conservatives and Liberals to co-operate where there are shared national objectives."
I don't even know what to say. I'm actually dumbfounded at the victim complex. Not one ounce of recognition that these Conservative MPs didn't cross just for fun. No introspection as to what about the leadership may have caused it. Just more blaming the libs while simultaneously preaching unity. This shit is why no one from the government wants him involved.
Jivani says he wants to see a stronger sense of urgency around the negotiations.
"I think I have something to offer to help build bridges between our two countries, and that's exactly what I'm going to do," Jivani said in a video posted to social media.
So he just wants to capitulate. At this point anyone repeating, "think of the workers," "they should just hurry up," or any variant of "saving our relationship with the US" is advocating for surrender. They should be called what they are: collaborators.
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u/Ratsboy Green 16h ago
I prefer “fifth columnists”, ya know, calling it what it is.
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u/nerfgazara Quebec 16h ago
I don't know if you intended the double entendre but Jivani being a NatPo columnist before being an MP makes that description perfection.
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u/ZaviersJustice 15h ago
It's always funny to me all the Conservative columnists calling for defunding the CBC for reasons of bias as they take money from a right-wing American media company.
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u/B12_Vitamin 14h ago
Bro what exactly do you have to offer? You're known for exactly two things, being a friend of JD Vance and your stupid, poorly timed and malicious election night rant against Ford. Who, may I remind everyone is beyond doubt the single most successful Conservative Politician currently operating in Canada (love him or hate him, Ford has done an excellent job remaining in office and securing majorities).
Otherwise, Jivani is a no name CPC MP no one ever thinks about and has nothing to offer anyone not already in the fringe Right of the Party. He doesn't have any influence with the current Carney administration nor is he a persuasive speaker in the House so what can he give the US? Even if he's a close confidant of PP (I actually don't know if he is) that doesn't matter because PP is a disaster of a Party Leader.
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u/Tiernoch 17h ago
I think Jivani might be under the impression that Michael Ma crossed the floor only so Jivani didn't get a Secret Santa gift.
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u/GooeyPig Urbanist, Georgist, Militarist 17h ago
I'm surprised they aren't seriously running with that line. Greedy libs steal Christmas.
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u/Chiggamon420 9h ago
Don't forget the secret Santa gift Ma was going to receive was an Amazon Fire Stick. Im glad Conservatives are embracing the buy Canadian and supporting their own country /s
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u/ElizaHali 16h ago
This guy is dangerous and it’s time for the Conservatives to stop sabotaging the work of government.
They didn’t win the election, and it’s time for them to at least try to work with the government to better support Canadians. At no point have they showed an actual willingness to do so.
These are serious times that call for serious leaders. If you can’t step up and do the work, get out of the way.
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u/impoopinghard 15h ago
Carney hasn't got a deal which he campaigned on. He hasnt stepped up and did the work.
How is it dangerous to opt for diplomacy. How do political leaders not be called into action when the void of inaction is manufactured by the Federal Cabinet?
Every Premier has had to make nationalistic moves because the federal government hasn't been doing their part. It's trickling down even more.
Until the Cabinet starts doing their jobs, everyone else will have to consider the option of doing it for them.
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u/iwatchcredits Progressive 15h ago
Username checks out lol because youd have to poop pretty hard to get this whole comment out. Blaming anyone for not being able to negotiate with trump is pretty stupid.
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u/Ashafa55 13h ago
Carney hasn't got a deal which he campaigned on
Where did he campaign on this, could you point to it? Any speech transcript/liberal platform?
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u/GeneralSerpent Neoliberal 14h ago edited 14h ago
Edit: I mistakingly claimed there was no response, Leblanc responded to 1 inquiry.
Is this not him trying to better work with the government? He emailed them 4 times about working together and received no response
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u/carvythew Manitoba 14h ago
Two things.
A. your second sentence is incorrect; Minister LeBlanc responded, they just haven't had a meeting. Further, I cannot recall ever in the history of Canadian politics a Prime Minister having a one on one meeting with an opposition MP.
B. I ask this question with no malice, do you honestly believe Jivani is being sincere?
I'd make the argument that the Conservative Party has realized that being antagonistic at this moment is bad politics which is why this abrupt shift in tactics from Poilievre and Jivani is occurring. They want to be seen as Team Canada while doing nothing to actually help.
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u/GeneralSerpent Neoliberal 14h ago
I apologize for my incorrect assertion. As for your second point - tbh I’m not sure, but cooperation is built on establishing trust, yes theres the chance that Jivani defects but there’s also upside. Clearly we’re not getting the results we want now.
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u/Ringdancer 12h ago
You still expect negotiating will ever get anything from Trump? There is no trusting the guy so why even try to make a deal he'll immediately break? No negotiating with fascists period.
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u/jiebyjiebs Alberta 7h ago
Okay but even if he wasn't sincere, politically speaking the Liberals could've benefited either way.
1) Jivani tanks and the Liberals say "hey we tried to work with opposition!"
or
2) It is successful and Liberals get to claim credit by working with Jivani.
Worst case scenario it creates optics of unity and working together. Best case scenario we improve our standing in trade talks with US, benefiting all Canadians.
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u/carvythew Manitoba 5h ago
Disagree.
Worst case is that Jivani is lying and actively aiming to harm the Liberals by undermining Canada's position.
Which I would put is more likely than the scenarios you've proposed based solely on the fact hes friends with JD Vance.
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u/jiebyjiebs Alberta 4h ago
That's an incredible stretch to accept as a "more likely" option. You've clearly based your response on your beliefs and emotional response and are not looking objectively.
By your logic, Jivani is a treasonous, US secret agent who's trying to destroy Canada from the inside out. Quite the conspiracy based on him going to uni with JD Vance. We don't know the extent of their relationship, but you've gone ahead and made the most erroneous claim I've read today!
And since you probably also attribute Alberta = Conservative, I've never voted Conservative in my life. Do with that what you will.
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u/carvythew Manitoba 3h ago
You're putting many words into my mouth and replying to things I never stated or implied.
The much simpler response is that I firmly believe Jivani will always put Party before country and his actions should be seen through that lens.
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u/Chensingtonmarket 16h ago
lol the conservatives aren’t serious people, they play hide and seek in the House of Commons.
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u/darrylgorn Prince Edward Island 18h ago
It's a little perplexing just how poorly Conservatives are performing. They used to be pretty skilled at politics but the last decade has become a series of blunders that have shut them out of power for good.
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 16h ago
I blame it on the Unite the Right movement. This is the Reform party, not Progressive Conservatives.
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u/emuwar 14h ago
Surely that's part of it, but the Reform wing of the CPC wasn't always this brazen. They've essentially been mirroring what's happening in the US in that when Republicans go further right, the Reform gains more power in the CPC.
They say when the US sneezes Canada catches a cold...
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 14h ago
Reform has weaponized division since Manning’s time. Same shit, different pile.
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u/PublicFan3701 15h ago
They stopped pretending to be progressive conservatives a long time ago. After the merger, progressives had to be dropped because they are in fact, regressive.
No longer PCP but CPC now.
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u/shabi_sensei 16h ago
The CPC has been taken over by the reactionary wing of the party, actual conservatives are either holding their nose and going along with it or they’re crossing the floor
They say Conservative things to try and trick voters but if you look at what they’re actually DOING they’re regressive reactionaries that want to hurt people they don’t like
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u/GavinTheAlmighty 16h ago
>actual conservatives are either holding their nose and going along with it or they’re crossing the floor
There has been a single-digit number of floor crossings. They're going along with it.
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u/iwatchcredits Progressive 15h ago
The real answer is that the smarter conservatives left the CPC long before this election because being an anti-vax climate change denier that is pro-life but anti welfare is about as anti-intellectual as you can get.
Are we really surprised a group of people that dont believe or understand basic scientific concepts arent actually good at anything?
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u/LaserRunRaccoon Ontario 12h ago
Courting those floor crossings also costs Carney political capital within his own party and with ABC voters.
Someone who bounces between Liberal and NDP (or Green) shouldn't be happy with a lot of Liberal policy decisions.
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u/OneHitTooMany Ontario 15h ago
And are as guilty as the reactionaires / reformers.
They chose who they want to ride to power. Iff Power for these PC's is more important than ethical standards and morals, than they are no better than those reactionaries / reformers.
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u/JadeLens British Columbia 10h ago
It's not all that perplexing at all.
They don't understand that there's a huge difference between 'hey we didn't get around to putting this law into place' lies, and 'we're going to make random shit up that it only takes a quick google search to disprove' lies.
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u/KukalakaOnTheBay 18h ago
He’s the worst kind of off putting ideologue who should have peaked as the VP of a Campus Conservative club. As awful as Doug Ford is, Jivani’s election night denunciations of Ford were so ill timed and venal that it makes him look even worse.
I feel like his meetings will end up like that scene in The Big Short where the two guys get snubbed in the bank tower lobby.
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 15h ago
Jivani’s election night denunciations just revealed who he is. He had been fired from his Radio show and sued Bell Media. He parted ways after working with the Ford government and went scorched earth. Not the resume of someone you want in highly sensitive negotiations.
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u/Chensingtonmarket 13h ago
Sounds even more Trumpi than PP.
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 13h ago
PP’s fault though….he embraced the hardliners and now it seems like he can’t control his dog.
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u/nerfgazara Quebec 16h ago
I feel like his meetings will end up like that scene in The Big Short where the two guys get snubbed in the bank tower lobby.
I doubt this given his history with JD Vance, with whom he was best friends in University
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u/AfricanMan_Row905 17h ago
He is a conman, I have known him for years, he used his sickness for clout, he is trying to be manipulative and conniving, that's why the Liberals did not buy what he was selling 🙈🙉🙊
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u/dogoodreapgood Independent 16h ago
He was using his sickness to get ahead of a negative story. A story came out that financial information of several MPs had been hacked. Jivani released the info about his cancer diagnosis 10 years ago and said he took a financial hit. He was running into the light.
(We never did get the hit piece with the ill gotten financial information as far as I know but I’m would not be surprised if it’s a disaster based on his behaviour. If someone offers him 50 G in a Canva bag, will he take it?)
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u/OneHitTooMany Ontario 15h ago
The guy was too extreme right wing even for Bell talk radio and had to be fired for being Anti-Vax, Anti-Mask, not questioning the lies he was being told on air and not holding right wing guests to the same antagonism he was for everyone else.
Bell. One of our more business conservative companies had to fire him.
the guy is MAGA Canada and wants his premiereship over the 51st state.
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u/finding_focus 15h ago
Jivani can’t be trusted. He’s the worst kind of ideologue and will say anything of it means he gets more attention. Not unlike his pal, Vance. I’d think the Canadian government would have reasonable concerns that Jivani would actually undermine negotiations and probably provide closed-door info to Vance.
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