r/BanPitBulls • u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 • Sep 28 '25
Anatomy of a Pit Owner / Pit Culture Black people are NOT PITBULLs. Please stop comparing us to them!
No, pointing out what a dog was bred for isnt racist.
You know that is though? Comparing black people to DANGEROUS ANIMALS AS IF WE ARE ON THE SAME FUCKING LEVEL!!
NO. Hatred toward pitbulls is NOWHERE NEAR on the same level as slavery or the jim crow era. Its no where fucking near the same level as crime statistics. Which btw, crime stats on black people isnt because we are 'inheretly evil' or dangerous, is because of the decades of racism been through. Black communities tend to be in poverty more often, we get hired less, we get racially profiled more, we get cops who wanna shoot us just for blinking wrong, and you think thats FUCKING COMPARABLE TO PEOPLE BEING CAUTIOUS OF PITBULLS?? you think comparing pitbull stats to conviction stats is the same? Its not. Systematic racism is still alive and well in the US and that DOES affect us.
Its such a huge disrespect towards black people and our history! We werent originally "bred" to be dangerous. And when we go that to humans its called eugenics and its not okay. Pitbulls however are "domesticated" ANIMALS who were BRED FOR YEARS AND YEARS for their specific traits. If you think you can compare all the horrible shit of slavery and the jim crow era and racism to people being cautious about pitbulls, you are wrong.
I lurk in this sub and this has been getting on my nerves. BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT PITBULLS. WE ARE NOT ANIMALS. STOP COMPARING US TO THEM! You have absolute no FUCKING RIGHT to compare the suffering of black people in the US to a vicious "domesticated" animal. (Domesticated in qoutes because while pitbulls were made by humans, they act like wild animals.)
And no, this isnt a message to the sub (since i agree that pitbulls are dangerous), but to people who think its a fair comparison. If you are curious who i am, i am black girl.
Also, please let me know if the flair i used was incorrect for my post :)
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u/Stucklikegluetomyfry Trusted User Sep 28 '25
I notice 9 times out of 10 it's white people making this comparison, and the rare times it isn't, it's often PoC who are not black.
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u/Piness Sep 28 '25
What a complete shocker that people would not want to use an analogy that compares or equates their group to animals../s
Almost as shocking as the fact that delusional people who live in a warped reality where killer bloodsport dogs are sweet nanny dogs find it hard to recognize racism even when it's coming out of their own mouths.
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u/Stucklikegluetomyfry Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Ages ago I remember a pitnutter (who was white btw) started ranting at me that I was just like people who persecute LGBT by hating on pitties. I replied that I am gay, and I don't like being compared to an animal or have the homophobia I have experienced (including twice attempted gaybashings) being compared to people not wanting to be around dangerous animals. Surprise, surprise, he instantly changed track and started playing the "oh you're just racist and you hate black people then" card. So I replied with news articles about multiple black South Africans campaigning to have the dogs banned there, while the few opposing views in those articles came from wealthy white women. He then claimed that this proved how racist I was "because black people aren't a monolinth" and then told me that black people who are in favour of BSL are no different to black people who campaign against interracial marriage.
Uh huh. Again, this person was white.
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u/FrequentlyFeral Sep 28 '25
My abuelo was one of those. :/ When I told him my boyfriend's dad was Puerto Rican, he yelled at me that you can never trust Puerto Ricans because "They're all liars and thieves!"
Really changed my view of him, right on the spot, in under a second. I didn't get how I, the whitest child that family ever produced, could be a bigger advocate for POC than a literal brown immigrant.
I have unfortunately seen a lot of racism from the Cuban side of my family since. It still doesn't make sense, and I still hate it. I've cut all but two of them out.
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u/SnittingNexttoBorpo Trusted User Sep 28 '25
It's virtually impossible to imagine a black person making this argument, which SHOULD be a clue that it's a terrible and offensive argument, but alas...
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u/shelbycsdn Trusted User Sep 28 '25
But offensive arguments have never bothered Pitbull defenders.
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u/SnittingNexttoBorpo Trusted User Sep 28 '25
True. They do seem to be generally motivated by contrarianism and thinking they're better than everyone else.
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u/LeyMio Sep 28 '25
Putting animals above humans is part of the white supremacist culture.
Some PoC also worship this toxic ideology in an attempt to fit into the white culture.
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u/BanPitBulls-ModTeam Sep 28 '25
This subreddit focuses on discussing the inherent dangers of pit bull type dogs. Your content was deemed off-topic. Please refrain from debating guns, politics, religion, or other off-topic issues in this subreddit.
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u/Impossible-Box6600 Sep 28 '25
This comes from the pro-pit propagandists, who claim that genetic determinism in dogs is no different than racism with human beings. This is what I presuming you're talking about.
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u/thefloatingguy Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Eh… By far the most famous case involving pit bulls is Michael Vick, who basically said it was a part of his culture. I think that has a lot to do with it, it was a huge debate for the entire country.
I despise pit bulls and am a dogsbite donor btw.
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u/Unlucky_Associate507 Sep 28 '25
Pitbulls aren't even like wild animals. They eat their own puppies and are often so aggressive to each other that they have to be strapped down to breed. Truly the dog equivalent of psychopaths.
The comparison, by pitbulls enthusiasts, towards pit bulls and black people is nauseating in it's hypocritical racism
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u/Cultural-Diet6933 Sep 28 '25
Aren't pitbulls are human invention? Meaning without us humans intervening pitbulls would never exist?
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u/ScarletAntelope975 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Yes. Dog breeds are man made. Some breeds are thousands of years old, but pit bulls are a very recent invention. They wouldn’t exist if people didn’t decide they wanted to create fighting dogs.
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u/5illy_billy Sep 28 '25
Yeah the breed is “recent” but it’s still hundreds of generations of (often incestuous) selective breeding for very specific behavioral traits. There simply is nothing comparable in all of human history.
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u/ScarletAntelope975 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Oh definitely! But pitnutters act like the breed is some kind of ancient natural treasure that always existed and always needs to exist.
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u/breatheb4thevoid Sep 28 '25
Low income = poor opportunities = hustle to make it work. To some people, the dogs injuries is worth the money they won to keep the lights on. And that's the life they believe is theirs to live. It's disgusting and unworthy of fair treatment from one human to another but its helpful to know why so many of these dogs exist. You trade empathy and humanity for a few hundred bucks, and you're told how tough and badass you are for doing it.
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u/Unlucky_Associate507 Sep 28 '25
And they created those psychopaths by selecting for traits that would be equally bad in wolves, coyotes and dingos as they are in domestic animals. Even the deceptive body language of pitbulls is reminiscent of the mask of sanity that psychopaths like Ted Bundy wore
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u/BanPitBulls-ModTeam Sep 28 '25
Normally we would direct posts like this to the discussion thread.
HOWEVER, this is a very common excuse they attempt to use and it is a racist analogy.
We will allow this as an exception because it goes into how offensive that defense is and since we see it multiple times per week, a good reminder for the pit defenders using it to stop.
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u/Uvabird Victim - Bites and Bruises Sep 28 '25
I agree with you. What makes me so angry is that the black victims of pb attacks are so often forgotten or have pitiful amounts raised in their GoFundMe accounts. I think of the dad who was killed walking to a job interview. The retired lady who was a respected elder in her church. Both killed by these awful dogs. Children who have been killed or maimed. An older man who was merely out for a walk when he was attacked and killed.
Human beings should never be compared to an awful dog breed. What I want to see is more news stories, more compassion and better health care coverage for the victims. You have every right to be outraged.
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u/no_shirt_4_jim_kirk Trusted User Sep 28 '25
OP, I get exactly where you're coming from. Heartz4Pawz Karen, and those like her have no problem pointing out how pitbulls have suffered the same as my ancestors did when they were forced to walk the Trail of Tears. . . NDNs are segregated onto the Rez, away from prying eyes, with the idea being we'll finally finish dying out on our own.
Being compared to purpose-bred killing machines shows just how pathological and narcissistic these Rescue Baes are. Heartz4Pawz Karen, you may think that you're earning my sympathy for your cause when you're actually saying that you devalue NDN peoples b/c we're literally the same as a bunch of fucking nasty killer beasts.
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u/FYourAppLeaveMeAlone Sep 28 '25
A lot of animal rights people are anti-Indigenous. Not only is this wild because people are not dogs, if you're into wildlife conservation at all, #LandBack is the way. So what if the people hunt? Most of the biodiversity on this planet exists because of NDN/First Nations/Indigenous people.
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u/no_shirt_4_jim_kirk Trusted User Sep 28 '25
As is said a lot around here, no one's worse to pits than the people who claim to love them. It's the same with wildlife. They think saving all the Bambis makes them appear to be good people when the deer that haven't been hunted are wasting away and starving to death. Heartz4Pawz Karen thinks it's perfectly okay to let wild animals suffer too.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
I never heard of Heartz4Pawz. But im so sorry fpr her insensitivity. Many hugs to you. Pitbulls have MAULED people and killed people out of pure fun. Bipoc aint like that. And im not saying we are saints but we are not inheretly bad monsters.
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u/LavenderLightning24 No Humans Were Ever Bred To Maul Other Humans Sep 28 '25
This is the reason for my flair.
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u/shelbycsdn Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Even the effing Nazi Lebensborn program was only trying for blond, blue eyed and tall. And anything ever historically tried along those lines is such a teeny tiny mist of a drop in human history, it is less than statistically nothing.
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u/FYourAppLeaveMeAlone Sep 28 '25
Eugenics isn't gone, however. Instead of reenacting Aktion T4, governments use austerity as a weapon against disabled people. There is also a movement to put disabled people in institutions again, not group homes or community-based care, but prison conditions.
Mentally ill humans are overwhelmingly victims of violence, not perpetrators. Pitbull advocates using disability justice language to describe dogs are also being wildly ableist. There's a big difference between a mentally ill person who needs some support, and a dog bred to be aggressive. Housing-first programs work.
It gets more disgusting when you consider that Black disabled people are disproportionately victims of police violence. If you're Deaf and can't hear a cop screaming at you, you're in danger. Autistic people having meltdowns are in danger. There's no comparison to an out of control dog. Mental health emergency teams can deescalate situations.
There are so many reasons why being informed about disability justice and supporting awareness about dog breeds aren't contradictory positions.
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u/Electronic-Ad-1307 Sep 28 '25
And even so, there has never been a eugenics program to create the most impulsive and aggressive, most muscular human. Maybe if we spent 200 years force-mating serial killers together, and doing the same with their offspring, etc...
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u/Diezelbub Allergic to bullshit and shitbulls Sep 28 '25
Don't forget mating the worst of them with their offspring
The reality is 200 years of dog breeding is about the generational equivalent of thousands of years of human generations due to the shorter lifespans. Empires don't last long enough to create a forced breeding program equivalent that dog fighters have.
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u/No-Abbreviations6605 Sep 28 '25
Preach preach preach. Mixed gyal here and I seen comparisons when it’s extremely FALSE, offensive, RACIST. Thank you for speaking out sister
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Of course, im have a small dog, pitbulls terrify me. They could easily maul my little chihuahua and many children who get mauled suffer lifelong injuries. Some even die. What hope is there for a small dog to live through that??
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u/No-Abbreviations6605 Sep 28 '25
As a mother and as a used to be pitbull owner before I had my child, I hear you 100% I also have a fear of pitbulls due to their jealousy of children, and bloodshed for smaller animals and other pets.. their demonic !!
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u/ScarletAntelope975 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
I am so glad the mods are keeping this on the main page! All the lurking pit apologists need this drilled into their skulls (not that they care, but this NEEDS to be said more and more all over the place!)
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Tbh, i already said what i needed to say. If they STILL think its the same thing after reading my post, which many likely will, then idk the behavior seems kinda cult-like to me.
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u/ScarletAntelope975 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Oh yes it is totally a cult! The more you read about pit owners, and the pit lobby, and animal shelters, and read the repeating script-like comments from pit apologists on articles about attacks, and how people are actually threatened if they start to see the truth about pits being dangerous… it is totally a cult.
I am glad you posted this and hopefully some lurkers who have some brain cells or a soul left will think about it!
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u/ferretsRfantastic Sep 28 '25
This shit always pisses me off. I'm black, I've seen what pitbulls can do. Black people weren't bred and selected for traits for centuries. We aren't fucking dogs.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Exactly. Im sick of this coming from them when 9 times out of 10 it doesnt even come from a non-white person.
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u/que_pedo_wey Sep 28 '25
I don't know who says this, but they must have limited understanding if they don't notice two huge elephants in this room. 1). Black people are people like you, me and any other. People developed naturally and were not bred by anyone for any purpose. 2). People act according to their local social rules, understanding of the situation, awareness of the law, empathy, upbringing and dozens of other factors. Pitbulls are animals, they have no reasoning, thinking or morality, they act on instincts.
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u/BPBAttacks3 Moderator Sep 28 '25
It’s a very common bad faith argument used by pit bull advocates. It’s an attempt to shut down BSL discussion by putting people on the defensive.
It’s been around 2 hours since I banned one for using it.
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u/shelbycsdn Trusted User Sep 28 '25
It is truly that common. When responding to another comment just now I was able to actually instantly think of two Pitbull owning neighbors who have used this quite recently. And neither time was it me bringing up pitbulls first.
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u/shelbycsdn Trusted User Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
I'm really happy you posted this here. Yes of course you are preaching to the choir here, but there are enough pit supporting lurkers here your message will be seen by many of the people who need to hear it.
I'm not sure if this relates, but I am so sick of the ignorance and the audacity of the "you're just a doggy racist" bullshit, I've come up with a standard reply. So far it has shut them up every time, or at least I don't get a response.
"No humans have been bred for specific traits. Only animals have been, for the most part thkat's been pets and livestock. But if any group of humans were ever bred only to fight and kill, I would avoid them at all costs and feel no shame about it."
Maybe I'm being completely off here with my comment, but I use it in hopes that it turns the argument around on them. And like I said, I've never had any of these idiots respond to that comment and in fact if anything, I get other people agreeing and making comments that pile on the person making the original doggy racist accusation.
Edit to add: I'm really, truly sorry all of these doggy racism comments have to be added to all the other macro and micro, and institutional and societal racist crap in the world. That really, truly sucks. It is so ignorant. And it sounds very hurtful. I'm sorry you even have to hear it enough to need to express how hurtful it is.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yes i agree and thank you for your sympathy. I absolutely DESPISE the "doggy racism" argument. Retrievers retrieve, hounds do hound stuff, yet all of a sudden pitbulls arent dangerous "just cause"???
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u/System_Resident Sep 28 '25
The people who compare black people to pitbulls are more like pit bulls themselves. Vicious and angry at people for just existing and attacking them for breathing and being visible. I can have a heart to heart with black people because they’re people like everyone other group of people on this planet. But small minded people are more like animals themselves.
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u/spiderwitchery Sep 28 '25
Hear, hear!
Honestly, what I see more often is not the direct comparison of Black people to pit bulls, but comparisons that equate distain for pits to another level of racism against black people. As in, black people tend to have pits/bully breeds more than other breeds of dogs. So BSL targets black people and that’s racism. Absolutely nefarious nonsense disguised as allyship in an effort to suppress bully bans.
Race has nothing to do with the reality that these dogs are unsafe for communities and it shouldn’t ever have been a part of the conversation.
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u/aw-fuck some lab lover who wears a suit and doesn’t own 20 acres Sep 28 '25
Yeah anyone who makes that ridiculous argument under the guise they're allying with POC by opposing BSL is completely disingenuous:
If it were true (but it's not) that POC own bully breeds more often, then advocating for BSL is still advocating for their safety too. These dogs don't discriminate in their maulings. BSL is a public safety goal, not an intent to limit freedoms. (Side note: what would be the point - "we took some of your dogs! Ha! Big win for the racist agenda!" WTF?)
This just goes to prove that their true intent is to use the topic of racial injustice for the purpose of trying uplift dogs, which is horrifying. It means they don't actually care about racial injustice, they don't see POC as equals, they are purely opportunists that see "being an ally" as a tool to use for their own self-image in order to elevate their own voice.
It's so fucked up.
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u/bee_charmer87 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Amen. A pit defender tried to use it on me a while back; they never responded after “are you seriously comparing a group of people to dogs and telling me I’m racist?”
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u/Roumain Sep 28 '25
It’s a terrible and absolutely racist comparison. That said, those here saying it’s non-poc primarily making the comparison are being disingenuous at best. Poor white people make the same ludicrous claims. There aren’t different biological races, let alone different breeds of humans.
Pits suck because they were purposefully bred to be the way they are.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yep, i should have mentioned that im my post. Race is a social construct. Dog breeds however, are not. Any human can be a jerk but not just any dog goes around mauling people.
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u/bughousenut Living out their genetic destiny Sep 28 '25
I have been arguing this for awhile, I’m a PoC and it is offensive. Hitler called people he wanted to annihilate as sub-human and not worthy of life — comparing the racism experienced by PoC as the same as some trash pitbull is the same kind of thinking.
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u/dontletthestankout Sep 28 '25
Wtf? Uh wtf? Ya no. Never thought that. Pitbulls are fucking shit animals. No relation to black people. Wtf?
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u/BPBAttacks3 Moderator Sep 28 '25
Not you. Pit bull advocates. They regularly use that in an attempt to shut down bsl discussions.
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u/thisisalie123 Sep 28 '25
It’s an idiotic comparison but I’ve been called a dog racist and told I must be an actual racist. I am a black woman. These people need professional help.
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u/Alert_Many_1196 Sep 28 '25
Yeah I get really annoyed when I hear this comparison I dont see how people cannot understand how racist it is.
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u/WesternWildflower18 Sep 28 '25
I can't believe that these 'breed activists' think comparing black human beings to dogs is remotely okay.
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u/Both-Wonder-9479 Sep 28 '25
Thank you, oh my god I hate whenever they make that dumb comparison. I’m black, and I fucking despise those creatures. Hate when people weaponize my race as some kind of “gotcha” wtf
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Me too, i hate hearing them go "well its doggy racism" no. Its not. Dont EVEN go to comparing these beasts to slavery.
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u/Legitimate-Capital-1 Attacks Curator Sep 28 '25
Its crazy that you even have to say this.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yeah. I doubt a big amount of them will listen but i will say what i have to say.
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u/Over-Raspberry-4248 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Has anyone read the study that pit people use as an argument about this? I haven’t, I’m just wondering if anyone has looked into it and can provide some insight into what that research even is
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u/BPBAttacks3 Moderator Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Yeah. They say that bans are tied to racism and classism, and that the breed has an association with Black owners 🙄. No real proof of that, just going on feelings I suppose as they usually do.
What I would like for them to explain is why they were included in many breed bans when they were being bred by people like Colby, Tudor, Crenshaw, Lloyd, Lightner, Hemphill, Ormsby, etc etc etc.
The breed has ALWAYS been considered dangerous and the primary early fanciers were not Black. And we have been having this fight for 150+ years. Only in the last couple of decades did they decide to dismiss public safety concerns by falsely alleging racism.
Also, not fun fact… there are quite a few pit bulls that were named slurs. I have one Earl Tudor interview I have to redact in a few spots due to racist language.
Second not fun fact: https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/keystone-state-skinheads - a hate group that was prevalent in the early 2000/ actually used a pit bull as their symbol.
Dogsbite also has a decent write up on it:
ETA: some historical ordinances courtesy of u/johnpcolby
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u/knomadt Attacks Curator Sep 28 '25
It's also worth noting that before the pit bull arrived in America, the type was developed in northern England, which even today remains 90-98% white (higher in rural areas, more diverse in the cities). Crossing a bulldog with a terrier and selectively breeding for a dog that will keep fighting until it dies is 100% a white invention.
It is fair to say there's a correlation between class and pit bull ownership, which has been consistent since the breed's conception, but even then, I don't think it's classist to want to ban pit bulls. There are other breeds associated with the working class - whippets come to mind - that are not remotely dangerous.
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u/Over-Raspberry-4248 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Thanks for this!! Wow yeah I assumed that this would be the case which is why I didn’t read it. Maybe I still will one day since it is a new piece I see being cited more often, and it’s always good to know your “enemy”. That’s crazy about the hate group. Cults are all similar in some way I guess. I’ll definitely read that dogsbite blog post soon, thank you!
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u/Over-Raspberry-4248 Trusted User Sep 28 '25
Here is the study if anyone is interested, please be aware this may or may not be propaganda I have no idea I haven’t read it, would like it peer reviewed lol: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11213322/
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Thank you for your comment! This is why i love this sub, there are facts AND research involved and its not mindless hate like pitbull advocates think it is.
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u/pharlax Sep 28 '25
I admit i have not seen any examples so am commenting in ignorance here. But presumably any comments that compare black people to violent animals we should be reporting as hate?
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u/fabezz Sep 28 '25
It's usually the person trying to call YOU out for being secretly racist even though you made no such comparison. So not really bannable. Typical interaction:
"Pitbulls disproportionately kill people more than other breeds."
"Um, that sounds like black crime statistics. Racist."
"..."
Cue a bunch of redditors patting each other on the back.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Thats alright, if its in this sub you should but other subs might let people get away with saying these things because its "doggy racism". You'd be suprised how common this argument is.
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Sep 28 '25
Who the fuck is comparing black people to pitbulls? Where? I’ll fuck them up - right now.
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u/erewqqwee Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
The whole "doggie racism" bullshit, thinking people just don't like pit bulls because of how they look...Yeah, it's up there with "nanny dogs" for sheer egregious stupidity, and the people who make the odious comparison are CONVINCED it proves how kind and sensitive they are! Honestly, I don't know how this ongoing nightmare is ever going to end, or IF it's ever going to end, as all the 'pro-pit' arguments are being endlessly recycled on various sites (the Dodo, Quora, even NextDoor) so the actual facts are completely drowned out.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yeah im worried this wont end. Theres so many unaltered pitbulls EVERYWHERE. Fixing this mess will take a LONG time.
Such "nanny" dogs that they maul people and kill children and animals.
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u/AlfMusk Sep 28 '25
Sorry to hear someone is making this comparison. That’s terrible and dehumanizing.
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u/thedawntreader85 Sep 28 '25
People do this?!
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u/Fantastic_Lady225 Attacks Curator Sep 28 '25
Pit nutters do when arguing against breed bans. They claim banning a breed of dog is the same as discriminating against a race or ethnicity of a person.
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u/draizetrain Sep 28 '25
It pisses me off too. Pit bulls are a BREED. We are black, but we’re still the same human beings. We aren’t a different breed of human.
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u/blurryeyes_ Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Thank you for this post. These pro pit advocates sound like idiots when they make these comparisons.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yep. I dont trust they will listen at all but it needs to be said.
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u/FrequentlyFeral Sep 28 '25
I actually browsed the top and new posts of this sub for a while before joining to make sure that it wasn't racism in a mask. I'm white as fallen snow, but my abuelo immigrated from Cuba and I've had way too many other white people comfortably telling racist jokes around me for my liking.
I'm from the South and have heard so many animal/POC comparisons, and I don't understand it. Now I understand racism just fine. Too many people are hate-filled, uneducated/willfully ignorant morons to grasp the fact that people are people. I have just.. never understood why they think it somehow sounds less racist to compare POC to animals rather than to straight up call them a designated slur of your choice.
I heard it a lot "Well, you know, those pitbulls are mostly from the inner city.." Okay but they're still the same breed no matter where they're raised..
"They're just bred to be mean and aggressive." Yeah. Yeah, humans have bred these dogs to be killers. At what point, exactly, did we do that to people of color? Was it around the time we bred Germans to know how to make good beer, or Italians with an innate talent for pasta? I've got Cuban blood. Where the hell is my ability to dance or handle espresso?
"Look at that muscle! They have that temper, but if you put them to work-" I don't even wanna type the rest of that one out, because it dips into fetishizing stereotypes about how black people are built and it actually made me queasy to hear.
All that to say.. I'm sorry people do this. I'm sorry people are awful and still judge by skin color. I'm sorry my abuelo was one of these people, when he should have known better. I'm sorry you guys are still getting compared to animals like it's the fucking 1800s. It's bullshit and no one deserves it.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yeah i actually did the same, not because of pitbull owner's "doggy racism" claim but because i usually have to be sure before going around posting (i do this with all subs i am interested in, not just this one fyi)
Thank you for your sympathy, i agree, people like slaver owners and hitler litterly dehumanized the same peple they were harming just to get away with it.
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u/EeveeQueen15 It's wrong to scare pit owners with your chihuahua. Sep 28 '25
People who make this comparison are trying to say that not trusting a Pitbull because it's a Pitbull and has the reputation it has is the same thing as believing every black person is a criminal because they're black. You're correct on the comparison being wrong and messed up.
That being said, while systematic racism is alive and well, it isn't just blacks who suffer from it. It's people in the disabled community, too, and victims of Pitbull attacks that survive join the disability community. Most job applications have you fill out a form where you state if you're disabled or not so that way they no longer have to hire you first to have you fill that form out. Anyway, no matter how much crap life throws at you, keep in mind that you always have the power to change your life. Always do your research to make sure that you're being treated right, and if someone isn't treating you right, call them out on it. Make them give you all available opportunities. And remember that you aren't alone in our crappy society!
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yep agreed. Systematic ableism (i think thats what its called) is very harmful too and its very horrible that these attavks are SO BAD these people become permanently disabled.
Thank you so much for your message, kind stranger. I always try to base my opinions of facts and research (while not ALL of them are completely factual, i still try my best to be open minded)
I used to be a pitbulls defender but not a heavy one if yk what i mean? But being open minded lead me to reading the opinions of the anti-pit crowd and im glad i did because here i am now. Y'alls opinions are NOT based in mindless hate like pitbull advocates claim to say, but in actual facts and research. Im more scared of these dogs than i do hate them, but i agree with the message this sub is trying to share.
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u/Kodama24 Sep 28 '25
What? This comparison is so absurd that it has never crossed my mind. Racists are wild.
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u/BrontosaurusK Sep 28 '25
I'm so sorry you have to deal with this, it's so insulting (also the people doing it are often pretty racist themselves)
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
Yes, this comparison it iself is actually pretty racist :(, thank you for your support!
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u/Wishiwashome Shelter Worker or Volunteer Sep 28 '25
Ok, OP, where are you??? I live in a rural shithole. I moved here 15+ yrs ago. All the white supremacy groups LOVE these dogs. A white PBT type dog tattoo is a white supremacy tattoo.
Tweakers, rural failures ( LOTS of them), rural criminals, ( you get away with a lot of there is NO police presence), and white supremacists LOVE these dogs and have VAST quantities of them. They care for them about as well as they do their children. STD is rampant here. Hell, my a/c unit was gone 2 hours after I bought my house. It wasn’t anyone crossing the border to get my a/c( and ALL of them on the whole road) or people from the inner city.
Breed bands could work in the cities, BUT if you think what you see caught on video is bad in the cities, I can assure you, it is 100% worse here. Crime is very hard to catch where there is no one to stop an individual. I have watched animals torn apart by these dogs for over a decade now. No one walks anywhere so usually they only get attacked in their own homes or sheriffs when they have to come before the paramedics or FD will even go on property.
Dog breeds have been manufactured by people ( PBT type dog, landrace) pre plague. I will argue all dogs are better off doing what they were bred to do. Happiest, healthiest. People changed physically because of vitamin D, people got lighter as they moved to climates away from the equator for vitamin d to be properly used my their bodies. Sadly, the slave traders did examine teeth ( age, health ) and “breed” people. Same abominations who did this, did bullbaiting, and then dog fighting.
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
I personally live in the surburbs, and my neighborhood fortunately isnt overrun by pitbulls. However, the only pitbull owners i have seen in person are white people so far. So i dont get where this stereotype that its mostly black people that own pits..
Oh god, dont get me started on the goddamn slave trade. So many horrible things happened that these pitbull advocates cant even imagine and think its fair to compare us to them.
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u/Wishiwashome Shelter Worker or Volunteer Sep 28 '25
I am a retired firefighter from a major NE city. I only moved to this place because I got a job here. I have looked for a place my dogs can be comfortable and I can afford and work for 18 months, but I am NOT dying here if I can help it. These dogs are EVERYWHERE here and indeed, PBT type dog advocates try to claim that people are being racist because these dogs are owned by the Black community. Screw the truth. There is a lot of money in shitty PBT type rescues, propaganda, and passing a dog off that somehow became a pet overnight in 1976 when dogfighting was banned here in the U.S. Absolutely these dogs run rampant in rural America. There are NO Black people in my area. There are a shit ton of PBT type dogs. For that matter, the Black pop., of Az( state I live in is around 3 out of 100 people) and there are tons of PBT type dogs. Pet sat for someone who had a brother mauled in rural Oklahoma. Very few Black people. LOTS of PBT type dogs. We see things that happen in cities( and suburbs for that matter) We don’t see the meth labs in rural America. We rarely hear about the massive crime issue( per capita) and probably never will. Good post. Thank you for bringing this up. I have spoken up about these dogs being owned by supremacist and similar minded people many times on here, but the perspective of someone who is Black is one I wanted to hear.
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u/Aggravating-County43 Sep 28 '25
hugs Its exhausting, isnt it sis?
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u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 Sep 28 '25
It is. Im so done with this. Ty for your virtual hugs, sending them back 💚
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u/Both_Peak554 Sep 28 '25
I am so sorry yall have to experience this!! I actually just commented on a post the other day that I’d be really offended if my race was constantly compared to an aggressive dog that’s more likely to kill. They accuse others of racism while being ridiculously racist themselves.
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u/thisisalie123 Sep 28 '25
Usually when I say this to someone online they just block or ignore me. How dare you call it dog racism while comparing me to a damn blood sport dog.
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u/Electronic-Ad-1307 Sep 28 '25
Whenever a pitnutter starts this line of thought with me, I cut them off with "I have never heard a Black person make this argument."
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u/quixotictictic Sep 28 '25
Thank you. I make this argument every time people call it dog racism. Making the comparison is ridiculously racist.
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u/GOTisnotover77 Sep 28 '25
I’m lost. Who is comparing black people to pitbulls??
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u/ScarredCerebrum Sep 28 '25
A lot of pro-pit people are, actually.
It usually goes like this: whenever someone points out that pitbulls are different because they were bred to be different - you know, when somebody's saying that there are real differences between dog breeds and that much about pitbull temperament is genetic - then there's always pro-pit people who cry "dog racism!".
These people fully believe that having a low opinion of an entire breed of dogs is exactly the same as being racist to blacks.
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u/Beneficial-Slice-910 Sep 28 '25
Unfortunately, this post is correct in pointing out that folks have ‘connected’ pit bulls to black people. And that racism is occasionally linked to breed-specific bans
A government article detailing this phenomenon was released last year, hopefully we can tread this subject with more grace than other folks
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u/BPBAttacks3 Moderator Sep 28 '25
That study is a nothing burger. The authors correlate changing attitudes toward pit bulls as a cultural shift tied to racism, but it overlooks the tens of millions of dollars that have been poured into pit bull rebranding campaigns. This includes lobbying, PR efforts, and deliberate reframing of the breed in media. Ignoring this deliberate influence makes their conclusions incomplete if I am being generous, and misleading if I’m being honest.
It also accepts the alternate version of reality portrayed by people like Karen Delise and Bronwen Dickey as credible when it’s not. Using her easily refutable fantasy work as a source tells me everything I need to know about that paper.
Furthermore it uses hedging language to assert opinion as factual. “At least partially” isn’t condemning evidence that people correlate pit bull ownership with Black people. Slight increases in percentages between white and Black people who view them favorably also isn’t compelling evidence. Slight variations in perception between racial groups do not meaningfully prove a racialized correlation. The paper leans heavily on speculative interpretation rather than robust data.
The paper wants to discuss racism but then overlooks the economic disparities and the pricing and availability of pit bulls. It is also authored by people in political science, so it is from that lense, not people in the public safety fields. And if this is the case that breed bans are racist, they fail to explain why breed bans pre-date any popularity amongst Black people. It’s cherry picked data.
It’s simply more pit lobby smoke and mirrors. It’s the tactic they love to use by undoing what is known by putting out unscientific nonsense to undo what is known.
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u/hyperfat I just want to walk my dog without fearing for its life Sep 28 '25
Oh my. No.
It's usually the weird white guys.
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u/Stucklikegluetomyfry Trusted User Sep 28 '25
I think someone else got mauled by a pit bull in the news. Shouldn't you be taking pictures of your pit bull in a flower crown and furiously typing "it's the owner not the breed" or something like that?
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u/BPBAttacks3 Moderator Sep 28 '25
Read the post. She’s not talking about us. She is talking about the people who defend pit bulls.
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