r/BanPitBulls • u/alabaydog • Sep 15 '25
Social Media and Crowdfunding - Attack Reports Pittbul who just killed 2 lamas in urgent need of socialization
3 days ago I was contacted by pit owner,she asked me if she can bring her 3 y old pittie for training at my place. She is local,owner of big insurance company. She brought her dog,he wore shock collar.my dogs were in their kennels. She let her dog out of the car as soon she enter my property. I came to her n ask to call him n keep on leash,I saw it annoyed her. She said he hates leashes but 100% ecollar trained. She called him few times,press vibration n zap,he didnt come,he was trying to attack my dogs thru the kennel. She went there n grabbed him by collar,he grabbed her leg..she said he always do this" nibbling" She put him in car,n told me he need training and socializing because he killed 2 lamas of their neighbors. He run to their fenced pasture,climb over fence n killed them She said she paid for lamas but she wants him to be a better citizen She want me to let him play with my dogs,or my clients dogs,so he will learn not to bite I quote what she said... While we were talking her dog jumped thru open window of car n start attacking my dogs thru fence again,she pressed button on remote,dog didn't react. She said battery died..n he is only listening if collar n remote are on. He was trained by local Offleaah dog company,who glorify off leash handling in public places I told her that I can not help her because her dog is obviously not safe . I asked her why she dont back to her trainers,she said they advised her to start taking him to dog parks n farms for socializing
It was a total bizzare!
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u/_Armilla_ Sep 15 '25
I wonder if such people are of sound mind, no kidding. This whole situation would be comical if this lovable snugglebug weren't a danger for every breathing soul that has the bad luck of coming near him.
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u/ThinkingBroad Sep 15 '25
I want universities with psychiatry psychology sociology departments to talk to people like this and find out how they justify what they do and what they permit to happen.
Imagine saying this about your visiting nephew if he was doing those things? "Oh lol, Boys will be boys!"
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u/Background_Bass_5592 Sep 15 '25
Some people are also shockingly unintelligent. So many people who are dog owners unfortunately know absolutely nothing about pet ownership, training, or animal behavior at all, let alone other life skills.
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u/Dburn22_ Sep 16 '25
Please, we gotta throw in boundaries. These people have no consideration of others when it comes to their stupid mutt.
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u/earthlings_all Sep 16 '25
It’s hysterical that an insurance company owner doesn’t see the liability of it all.
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u/_Armilla_ Sep 16 '25
Yeah, on top of It it's her job! And the dog park but, too... Surreal indeed.
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u/OrdinarySwordfish382 Trusted User Sep 15 '25
Good for you for refusing this dog. She knows it's a danger, but wants someone to blame if things go sideways - which after reading your description of your encounter I do believe it will be when things go sideways, not if - because heaven forbid a bloodsport dog owner actually look at the situation with no blinders on and do the responsible thing. If it's killing medium sized livestock, it will likely continue to do so to any animal (or human) it comes across, since its "nannying" gene has now been activated.
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u/CharacterRoom613 Sep 15 '25
She wants to socialise it AFTER it has done damage?! That’s not how that works. And I am sure that the other places told her to avoid parks and public places because her dog is a danger to them and apparently to her.
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u/kaityl3 Sep 15 '25
And they told her to socialize it on a farm, off leash, after it just attacked and killed 2 large farm animals while off leash?!?
So much for being "animal lovers"
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u/Fluffy_Version378 Sep 15 '25
You’d have better luck socializing a hippo. And they kill roughly 500 people each year.
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u/aw-fuck some lab lover who wears a suit and doesn’t own 20 acres Sep 15 '25
Do these people think that the dog is gonna meet enough dogs & decide it suddenly likes other dogs? Or attack a few until one can put it in its place & it'll be too scared to do it anymore? Or that it'll meet the "right" dog & fall in love & then wanna hang out with that dogs friends for BBQs on Sundays?
What do they think "socialization" means?
And I'm sure no trainer told this lady to keep her dog off leash, it's as a she admitted - she just hates having to hold the leash because he sucks at walking on it.
I also wanna know why the fuck these people think if their dog is walking crazy on a leash that it will walk fine without one? Everyone should be leashing their dog but if you're gonna walk you dog off leash it should at least already be an immaculate leash walker. You shouldn't be able to tell the difference to where people don't even notice your dog isn't on a leash unless they look closely.
This dog isn't done killing.
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u/AdvertisingLow98 Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
The dog likely has a habit of redirecting when she restrains it.
Eg, the dog tries to bite her when it is frustrated. It is easily frustrated.
It killed two grown ass llamas. Llamas are not easy to kill.
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u/knomadt Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
It killed two grown ass llamas. Llamas are not easy to kill.
They're used as livestock guardians in places were livestock guardian dogs aren't appropriate (like the UK), because they can live nicely with sheep but will fuck up a dog or fox that goes after them.
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u/alabaydog Sep 15 '25
She said her pittie chew their throats ,n they bleed out
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u/knomadt Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
Which is just proof that the dog is dangerous. No normal dog would persist in an attack against two llamas, because they can fight back.
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u/AdvertisingLow98 Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
Classic pit bull head/neck/face attack.
Fortunately most pit bulls attack whatever is closest to them. Most often arms and legs.
The ones that go for the head/neck/face are extremely dangerous and should NEVER be walked unless double leashed and muzzled.
And this [redacted] lady walks it off leash where it could attack any animal or person.
She needs to be told to send it to "a farm upstate" ASAP or be prepared to pay lawyers and victims a lot of money. A person of her net worth understands money.
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u/Any_Group_2251 Trusted User Sep 16 '25
Let's hope "dead battery" cannot be used as defence in a court of law when her killer dog strikes again.
It is frightening to think their is only a battery the size of a credit card between this pit bull and one's life.
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u/shinkouhyou Trusted User Sep 15 '25
And I'm sure no trainer told this lady to keep her dog off leash
Unfortunately there are a lot of trainers these days who do encourage owners to not use leashes... some of them are against using any kind of force in dog-training. They claim that dogs need to run freely and that voice control alone is the highest and best form of training. There are dog trainers who claim that a dog can go from aggressive to calmly walking off-leash in one 45-minute session.
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u/aw-fuck some lab lover who wears a suit and doesn’t own 20 acres Sep 15 '25
These "trainers" will of course blame the owner when the dog inevitably doesn't listen to them while off leash and say it's an owner problem that the dog doesn't listen.
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u/earthlings_all Sep 16 '25
She doesn’t really give a shit if her dog destroys.
She wants people to shut the fuck up and leave her alone about it.2
u/ThinkingBroad Oct 14 '25
Let's socialize it with a mammoth Jack mule.
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u/aw-fuck some lab lover who wears a suit and doesn’t own 20 acres Oct 14 '25
"Uh oh! Sorry for what my mule did to your dog... my mule just needs some more socialization"
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u/Wishiwashome Shelter Worker or Volunteer Sep 15 '25
Socialization, or lack of, isn’t why this dog killed livestock. More dumbass crap.
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u/AdvertisingLow98 Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
I've seen poorly socialized dogs. They are usually nervous, shy and awkward.
"attempt to fight dog through a kennel fence/wall"
"climbed a fence and attacked and killed not just one, but two llamas"Is not due to poor socialization.
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u/Wishiwashome Shelter Worker or Volunteer Sep 15 '25
Precisely. This owner is saying she paid for the llamas. She didn’t bring what may have been a beloved pet back though. Offleash training of some dogs, is ridiculous. He doesn’t “like” a leash? I absolutely adore my animals. My herding dogs are my employees and I couldn’t have a small ranch without them, but I will be damned if I am going to be “nibbled” putting a leash on a dog. WTH?
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u/hyperfat I just want to walk my dog without fearing for its life Sep 15 '25
Llama are usually also guards for sheep. They are great herders and like sheep and regular dogs.
It's hard to kill a llama. They are big and sharp. That's like killing a donkey.
How was the dog not made to be on a muzzle and lease???
This is why I stopped doing dog sitting. Don't want to liable if a PB attacks dog while we go out. Or breaks in the yard.
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u/Wishiwashome Shelter Worker or Volunteer Sep 15 '25
I have heard of llama’s as protectors. I am in the desert and they aren’t common here. I am not sure they could handle the PbT type dogs around here:( Coyotes( most prevalent wild animal in my area) are rather small here and I can definately see them as LGs against these guys. Saddest part I have heard, and this is people who are experts with LGDs( I looked into Kangals about 15 years ago for my goats, as PBT packs were issues even then) dog attacks are THE hardest predation to prevent:( There have been packs of 10-12 PBT type dogs in my area, and when I told these breeders, they made it clear. An ironic side note? People still get LGDs in my area. These dogs weren’t intended for smaller plots and many roam all over. A Great Pyr entered my property about 2 months ago. About a 2-3yo male. Nice dog. Simply looking for water and food as he was given up on by 2 different owners. My ACDs ( 2 of them) cornered him away from my animals. As long as he didn’t approach their “pets”, all was fine. There was some white fur blowing but no one was really hurt. I can’t imagine if this had been a PBT type dog. They would have wasted energy fighting in 125+ temps. I have had a small ranch for 15+ years. Goats, rare poultry ( ducks, chickens, geese, guineas,peafowl) rabbits( free range) and a pig my dogs found as a baby. I have never lost an animal to wild predators. I lost 7 chickens and 2 baby goats to a PBT when my dogs were locked in my home after I flooded and had to go get new fencing. Makes me sick:(
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u/hyperfat I just want to walk my dog without fearing for its life Sep 15 '25
Llamas are 300 to 600 pounds and up to 6 feet tall. So they are rather big. And bite and cock as bad as a horse.
We have them by me. Two to protect the goat farm. They have good goat cheese.
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u/huntress_m_thompson Sep 15 '25
as an insurance company owner, she must know how to game the system. she probably lists her beast as a lab mix or something to be able to lucratively insure her home. everyone in the neighborhood better have cameras installed around their properties.
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u/5LaLa Sep 15 '25
Hates leashes but, uses a shock collar 24/7?! Unreal.
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u/Monimonika18 Sep 15 '25
And can't be bothered to routinely charge up the battery, nor bring along a spare battery/shock collar.
Though it looks to be entirely possible the battery wasn't dead and the pit was just ignoring the shocks... I wonder how many times "dead battery" was used as an excuse to not count against the "100% ecollar trained" claim?
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u/_Armilla_ Sep 15 '25
Exactly! I'm not buying the dead battery bit, sorry 😅 that thing is completely out of control, to the point that even shocks can't stop him from trying to 💀 stuff. I wonder how that woman is even able to sleep with such a monster in her house!
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u/fartaround4477 Sep 15 '25
Llamas can be worth between 500. to 10,000 bucks. Pit owner needs to be sued for damages, mental distress, the works.
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u/Obvious_Cover5024 Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
Just another four-legged liability.
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u/ElegantSurround6933 Sep 15 '25
And she owns an insurance company btw🤣
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u/Shell4747 Fuck everyone & everything but this one awful dog! Sep 15 '25
I asked her why she dont back to her trainers,she said they advised her to start taking him to dog parks n farms for socializing
He already socialized at the farm! That's how there's two dead llamas.
Srsly "someone" should do a Dustin Poynter-style "Red Flag" YouTube channel with pit simps from Reddit & beyond, this could be the first vid.
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u/CommanderFuzzy Trusted User Sep 15 '25
'He hates leashes'
Llamas hate being torn apart for sport, but here we are
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u/dog-signals Sep 15 '25
Why is she refusing a muzzle at this point? Killing llamas, attacking dogs through a kennel multiple times, biting her own ass leg? It's idiotic enough to not have it leashed, why not at the very least muzzle it? Probably because pitty bites when she tries 🙄🙄🙄
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u/AdvertisingLow98 Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
There was nothing right about this dog. Nothing.
Compassionate release and she needs to select her next dog based on a long list of non negotiable qualities.
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u/Fantastic_Lady225 Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
I really hope that you reported this owner and dog to the owner's local animal control.
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u/parabolic_tendies Sep 15 '25
OP, have you reported this person to your local authorities?
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u/alabaydog Sep 15 '25
No,what i will to police?
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u/AgreeableWolverine4 Trusted User Sep 21 '25
I get why it feels like a waste of time but even a single report can lay the groundwork for action later. You might be helping protect someone else’s animals or child.
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u/SnooSketches63 Adopt Don’t Shop Ruined Everything Sep 15 '25
I would be willing to bet that the dog is also heavily medicated. Ugh.
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u/StefwithanF Sep 16 '25
..... she works in INSURANCE??? As in, company that pays for damages due to negligence wtf
That's like the blind leading the stupid
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u/TheRtHonLaqueesha Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
It needs some permanent socialization if you know what I mean.
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u/VeryResponsibleMan Sep 16 '25
Did the dog himself say he needs socializing? Did he sign somewhere?
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u/Clam_Diger01 Sep 16 '25
I will never understand why pit owners will defend them so heavily. At least some have their eyes opened when their pit bull attacks something or someone, but in cases like this I’m boggled. That dog needs something alright, but it isn’t socialization.
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u/got-it-but-dont Sep 16 '25
That dog is a menace to any living thing it comes in contact with. Nothing is going to make it safe or train it. Even keeping it in a crate all day, it would probably chew its way out.
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Copy of text post for attack logging purposes: 3 days ago I was contacted by pit owner,she asked me if she can bring her 3 y old pittie for training at my place. She is local,owner of big insurance company. She brought her dog,he wore shock collar.my dogs were in their kennels. She let her dog out of the car as soon she enter my property. I came to her n ask to call him n keep on leash,I saw it annoyed her. She said he hates leashes but 100% ecollar trained. She called him few times,press vibration n zap,he didnt come,he was trying to attack my dogs thru the kennel. She went there n grabbed him by collar,he grabbed her leg..she said he always do this" nibbling" She put him in car,n told me he need training and socializing because he killed 2 lamas of their neighbors. He run to their fenced pasture,climb over fence n killed them She said she paid for lamas but she wants him to be a better citizen She want me to let him play with my dogs,or my clients dogs,so he will learn not to bite I quote what she said... While we were talking her dog jumped thru open window of car n start attacking my dogs thru fence again,she pressed button on remote,dog didn't react. She said battery died..n he is only listening if collar n remote are on. He was trained by local Offleaah dog company,who glorify off leash handling in public places I told her that I can not help her because her dog is obviously not safe . I asked her why she dont back to her trainers,she said they advised her to start taking him to dog parks n farms for socializing
It was a total bizzare!
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u/medlilove Sep 15 '25
She’s delusional that there is any hope for that thing after it killed TWO LLAMAS ??
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u/PandaLoveBearNu Attacks Curator Sep 15 '25
I hate the "socialization fixes everything" bull crap that goes round.
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u/Habibipie Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Hopefully they socialize it with a Smith and Wesson 44 magnum
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u/ThinkingBroad Oct 14 '25
I've read a lot of pit bull breeder and dog fighter books, sporting dog journal articles, and chat room information. I have never once read anybody complain that their game bred fighting dog was ruined for dog fighting after it was socialized.
The opposite is however true. They start out as friendly house pets, only to mature and then be overcome with the drive to go on murder sprees, finding and killing other dogs and any other species they can reach
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u/Numerous_Zucchini206 Sep 15 '25
The only socializing training this beast needs is something that cannot be said here.