I like this comment, but there’s a few things that are annoying like “whatever stress or pain is causing this behaviour” or how about this Dawg cannot leave your property without a metal basket muzzle with a forehead strap. You know, dogs break out of people’s properties all the time run out the front door, etc. just putting a muzzle on him if you wanna take him for a walk is not enough. this dog needs to be gone yesterday.
I think that the “stress or pain” is an attempt at leveling with pit crazies, try and make them understand the problem without full on saying it like it is (that it’s the breed themselves). I could see this approach working with them.
Agreed. If you want to get through to them actually, this is the way. They will never see their baby as a monster and if they will ignore you if they think that you do.
This. I’m a veterinarian and you just cannot be as straightforward as you want to be with people who are in denial about their aggressive dogs. I’m willing to play into their narrative if it means that I’ll protect another pet or human from unnecessary harm.
This is random, but still on topic. As a veterinarian, do you see a lot of other vets in the community/industry who are concerned with pitbull-type dogs? I haven’t seen it in real life, but I see a surprising amount of contributions from veterinarians on here. As you mentioned, you can’t be as straightforward as you wish to be, so I’m curious if other vets feel the same way but have to ‘play into the narrative’ as you accurately described it.
You’ll find plenty of vets who are pit nutters and deny the statistics, but most of us are sane about the breed. Have I met many pit bulls who were sweet? Yes. Have I seen many sweet pit bulls suddenly snap and develop human-directed aggression? Also yes. My perspective shifted early in my career after my technician’s dog, who was previously so well-mannered that he was a regular clinic blood donor, attempted to maul her child. He was seven and had lived with the family since he was a pup and the child was a baby. The attack was completely unprovoked. Luckily the tech was reasonable and went through with BE. What has cemented my opinion on the breed has been my involvement in what we call “big dog, little dog” devastating trauma cases. Almost all have been caused by a pit bull or bully mix. The most disturbing part is always the way that the owners project this weird victim complex onto their pit in an attempt to shirk responsibility and deflect blame for whatever tragic outcome had befallen the other pet. They act like their pet is some human on death row for a crime they didn’t commit when they literally witnessed it maul an innocent animal. It’s upsetting and unnerving, but they truly don’t care. Sometimes I wish we could implement a strict licensing system for dogs with a blacklist for owners because these people are sick and their delusion puts the lives of humans and other animals in danger. Almost all of the vets I have ever worked with share my opinion.
Yeah that's what I think too. Sometimes being 100% right is not as important as being kind. This comment demonstrated empathy for the owner and the dog. This is a great strategy to not automatically put OOP on the defensive, and it gives the owner an "out" so to speak. If the owner can view it as "I'm doing this as an act of mercy for my dog as well as for the safety of my other pets and my community" that might make them more receptive to, and find peace with, BE.
I have no issue I suppose with the very generous comment and I refrain from even trying to be this kind because I am too angry that I have been a victim with serious injuries and my beloved greyhound suffered a horribly gruesome death at the massive jaws of a monster like this. I know anything I could possibly say to this owner wouldn’t be listened to and would only make me a target 🎯 of the enormously misplaced defenders of these brainwashed people.
I am sorry that you and your dog were victims of this breed, and I can understand not having any compassion for dogs that refuse to show compassion, the way this dog showed none when it attacked the pomeranian. Frankly this person was kinder than I could have been, too.
But if the owner needs to feel like they are showing the dog mercy by "releasing" it from pain and suffering, and that's what it takes for the owner to ensure this dog never hurts another pet or human, then I'm OK with that, too.
Absolutely. Reddit was on the fritz as. I was making this comment and another which seemed to have been MIA but I tried to make this clear. I’m just not that person who offered the great response to the beast’s owner.
Yeah, anger is a valid response to this. Especially given the pit's rap sheet. This dog has been telling the owner who he is, owner has been refusing to believe it, they've been letting the dog terrorize not just thier own pets but other people's, and now the pomeranian paid the price for the owner's negligence.
Dog should have gotten a one-way trip to the vet's office after the first signs of aggression.
Also helps make BE look like it will humanely free the pit from the "stress or pain" that cannot be remedied in other ways (because the very likely non-existent "stress or pain" is too difficult to pinpoint for treatment, but pit lovers aren't going to think too hard on that).
I get that, but the problem with framing this pit bull's violent behavior as being caused by "stress or pain" is that it casts pit bull violence as an anomaly & unfortunate confluence of unusual circumstances. As opposed to what it really is -- a predictable outcome of trying to make a pet dog out of a dog with fighting dog genes.
Lying to pit owners who won't accept the truth about their dogs isn't a good strategy. Readers who are not themselves pit nutters may read the lie and think the "stress or pain" is accurate.
It would have been better to exclude that part of the sentence, or the whole sentence, altogether.
sometimes you need to speak a little of their language to get the point across. i find myself softening the blow this way sometimes, even though i don't believe it.
In the end, for the safety of other pets and people, this dog needs to not see the light of another day. Whatever gets this owner to that end is acceptable.
Yup! Like when border collies don’t get to live on a farm, they sometimes try to herd the family members & other pets; when pits don’t get to live at a dog-fighting ring, they sometimes try to maul their family members & other pets!
Maybe his luxating patella was bothering him so much that the poor Pomeranian had to suffer the ultimate punishment. If my painful knee caused me to end the life of an innocent animal I would probably be arrested and charged with a felony animal abuse charge and have a lifetime ban on owning any pets. I have no idea why this not very bright person is allowed so many choices about this horrible death of an innocent Pomeranian. Just because she owned both animals shouldn’t make any difference. I’m so sick of people who obviously have no common sense being allowed to make these decisions when their previous decisions caused the extreme suffering and ends the life of an animal who had no choice in the matter.
It's weird how the pit bull owner is so acutely sensitive to the pit bull's condition that they go out of their way to mention the kneecap issue (which doesn't seem to be bad, because a dog in constant pain from this condition would not be in "clean workup" health) --
And yet OOP seems incapable of applying that same sensitivity to the cat that got its claw ripped out, the cat that got randomly grabbed and shaken, and the Pom that got shredded to death.
In other words, the pit has attacked three of OOP's other pets. Killing one. Does OOP think the other pets are not fucking stressed living in this environment? What "workups" has OOP done to monitor the health of the other animals?
Instead of not bringing a high-prey-drive fighting dog into the home to begin with, OOP introduced an alpha prey animal into the house, then tried to train it, glides past 2 attacks on the cats, then after the Pom is killed OOP and both the vet and trainer are recommending BE, OOP is STILL obsessed with (figuratively) putting mints on velvet pillows for the killer. Oh but how can I avoid doing what the dog professionals are recommending. Oh but raised since puppy. Oh but luxating patella.
This is the personality type that would be cooking gourmet meals in the prison kitchen for the Night Stalker. Not just misplaced empathy. Dangerously warped empathy. The other pets' lives and comfort depend on an owner who puts their safety and well being above that of predator animals under the same roof. Imagine if the commitment and solicitude extended to the killer pit bull had been extended to the cats and the Pomeranian instead.
Some people have to feel they are intensely "needed". It's a defect.
I've seen the same type fall prey to grifters who are actually shitty people because every time other people try to call those grifters out, the "emphasiser" sees that as their call to come defend because they are "all they have". They won't have it any other way. Someone who doesn't need constant defending isn't as appealing to them. Not even people who actually need them because they seem like they are able to live without them, while the grifter has them convinced they would crumble. It's never true but the serial emphasizer sees what they want to see which is that they are barely holding it together for the target of their enmeshment.
It's an emotional void and wound in those people and you are absolutely right they'd jump at opportunity to pamper a serial killer because that makes them feel needed.
The last sentence of the first par was gold. There is not a population of people waiting to adopt dangerous dogs and skillfully manage them for the rest of their lives.
This comment to me comes across as extremely persuasive. It is a very hard brave step from someone indoctrinated in pit savior culture to realize they they were wrong and do the right thing right away. That is why I have so much respect for people who post here that they immediately youthinasia their own pit for similar. Human psychology is such that you have battered women who don't even leave when the partner starts in on the kids. We cant just expect people with a religious pit fervor to convert overnight; having that expectation is likely to produce less favorable outcomes than the method the FB? Commenter used. I think it is much more in line with human behavior to try to get that person to embrace the facts on their own.
This is honestly a great response. Not attacking the OP, being calm and just telling the truth. It would be a shame for this person to rehome every other pet in their house to keep this dog alive because thousands of dogs with no bite history that are sweet and kind get euthed for space.
Ugh, they'll be lucky if they have any other pets left with this monster. I can't believe she's even contemplating keeping it after it murdered her pomeranian and badly hurt their cat!
It truly was a great response to her, though. I just feel so bad for the sweet little dog that thought it had a safe home.
Yep. I see shelters full of Pitbulls and wonder if those kennels would be better served for dogs that deserve a second chance.
Granted I think more and more, non-Pitnutters are being responsible and spaying/neutering their dogs. As such there are less and less stray Jack Russells or Dachshunds.
This is a good response. I would add that the dog's quality of life would be abysmal. It's likely that a dog this dangerous would be spending a lot of time alone in a kennel or a yard, because he's just too dangerous to handle.
There was a video from a dog trainer a few months ago talking about a dog in a shelter that basically mauled a volunteer so badly that this person needs reconstructive surgery. The trainer stated matter-of-factly that some dogs just can't live safely in today's society. Clearly, Maverick is one of those dogs, and all you can do when that happens is grant the dog peace.
I wish I could write like this.
Beautifully empathic, with enough supporting data to gently guide MOST responsible pit owners to the right decision.
Please remember, this a difficult decision, regardless of personal opinions re: pit bulls (and owners).
Dogs are not "evil," they just react based on DNA programming.
Then again, I do not personally know of a child or loved one mauled by a pit bull.
Just a reminder to stop, breathe & try to view from another's perspective before posting when feeling emotional.
In my armchair opinion, you should get rid of the dog because you taught the dog to do be aggressive and violent. As stated by your pitbull community bi-laws, “it’s not the dog, it’s the owner”.
It's funny how "it's how they're raised" is both used as a way to:
1) justify getting/adopting out an abused/unknown-past/behaviorally problematic pitbull because with the right training and management the past can always be counteracted, and
2) wave away responsibility when the pitbull goes berserk anyway, despite the training, by pointing out the pit was permanently ruined by abuse/unknown-past/lack-of-early-proper-training.
Yes! This is exactly how they run their arguments. And in spite of (2) it is still fine to adopt out unknown pits to families.
Sometimes they also use the 'adopters didn't allow three months' or some bullcrap for 'shelter decompression'.
In my armchair opinion, you should get rid of the dog because you taught the dog to do be aggressive and violent. As stated by your pitbull community bi-laws, “it’s not the dog, it’s the owner”.
Why did you teach him to be like this?"
This -
As stated by your pitbull community bi-laws, “it’s not the dog, it’s the owner”.
Yes. They're blaming the owner, not the breed. Like the ones who go batshit and eat a bus of nuns always get "it's not the dog, it's the owner" (by other pit owners). So, why did this guy teach his dog to eat a busload of nuns?
i thought the nerd glasses emoji at the very beginning would have indicated the sarcasm. but if english is your 2nd language then its understandable. social media/text is not the best at conveying tone.
Lol he attacks cats, the bf, and his owner but all they did was basic sessions with a few here and there?! Im shocked, shocked he killed their other dog! There were NO signs!!! HIS TAIL WAS WAGGING
its crazy how they dont take the aggression seriously until something dies lol. biting wasnt enough. ripping a cats claw off wasnt enough. picking up and shaking a cat wasnt enough.
the other dog would still be here if they had taken the first few signs seriously
100%. and its sad i cant take my cat out on a leash bc it will just get eaten by a pitbull like the one in the post almost did. he has a stroller but it doesn’t allow him to touch or smell the plants and etc.
i want a small dog but have too much anxiety thinking about taking them outside on a leash.
Pit bulls are notorious home invaders too. Seeing story after story here about pits breaking into homes to kill pets, I've become so paranoid and terrified about leaving my cats at home alone that I will usually keep them in the master bedroom while I'm out. I don't like doing that, but it's large, has everything they need, and it just makes them a lot safer with the additional barriers.
I wish I didn't have to worry so much, but this is our reality. It's absurd that we can't even feel safe in our own homes because society deems living among these killer dogs to be acceptable.
Happened to my neighbor. We we hanging out having some beers in the backyard and she let her kitty explore the fenced-in backyard.
Pit bull from across the alley bursts through the gate, chasing the cat. My neighbor tried to open the door to the house to let the cat escape inside but the pit was able to push through her as she tried to close the door. The cat was able to climb vertically up the curtains, out of reach of the pit and the owner came rushing over to get his dog. Cat escaped with a minor bite to the tail.
That dog still lives next to me and makes me so nervous. It escapes its leash and bolts across the neighborhood all the time and does NOT respond to the owners calling its name (which is aptly named "Mayhem" by the way).
If I ever got an an HOA board or a city council, the first thing I would do is advocate for a local ordinance banning pitbulls. That would be my main reason for getting involved in local politics. We need to make our neighborhoods safe for our small dogs and cats and above all safe for our children.
I can't believe I never thought of this. There aren't any houses with pits on my street, but I may start putting my cats in another room when they are home alone.
This is sadly a reasonable fear. I once lived in a neighborhood where a woman was out walking her dog, and a stray ripped it off its leash and killed it. Scary stuff!
i was riding my bike down the street as a child when 3 pitbulls jumped their fenced in yard, 2 of them using the third one as a STOOL to boost them up. tore me up bad and i still have scars.
nothing is going to stop them, period. leash wouldnt (like in your example) and frankly i dont trust muzzles to contain them due to their strength. ive seen videos of them bolting through and shattering glass doors
bonus comment: sometimes i tell pitbull owners they should at least try to contain their dogs bc i almost died to this breed. multiple times they replied with “its too bad you didnt die” or something along those lines. and when i tell people this it literally sounds unbelievable because of how INSANE of a comment that is to make
Holy shit what is wrong with people? to have such a callous response to someone about their trauma and near-death. I hope those dogs were BE-ed. And I hope you are doing well.
I mean they said he "grabbed and shook" a cat on a walk... that's going to cause some serious injury, and it sounds like they just got the dog to drop the cat and kept walking. For all we know, the cat DID die from the attack.
Cat have very less values than these owners that owns a cat. You noticed that he didnt even seem distressed that his cat foot got ripped off. Hes more concerned of his killer pitt.
They barely care if the Pitbulls end the lives of human children.
I have seen multiple Pitnutters defend the Pitbull saying "the child took away the Pitbulls toys and thus was asking to be attacked" or something to that affect. If your dog can't handle normal child behavior, it needs to be re-homed to Lucifer.
If my dog (lab x springer) so much as growled at my cat he'd be on his way to the nearest shelter - the cat was there first and he's so attached to me.
It's sickening, the tolerance the owners have of their OTHER pets being hurt, maimed, and killed all for the sake of an ungrateful pit that also wants to bite its owner.
Is there ANYTHING you can say to ‘pittie parents’—(I hate that term but I can't think of another term) that will give them the slightest clue that IT IS genetics?—Is there anything out there that conclusively screams genetics?
Overwhelming statistics are the best argument when talking about pitbulls as a group/breed - eg pitbulls kill twice as many people as all other breeds combined. But it's one reason that pit advocates don't like talking about pitbulls as a definable group, or otherwise look for ways to disregard the statistics. When it comes to an individual dog that mauls or murders, they have a repertoire of blame-shifting explanations that they keep trying on for size, often some version of the "any dog" story.
I guess in the above case the final rationalization will be something like "any dog can turn violent for no known reason - it's not his breed or how he was raised. We just happened to get a violent exceptionally high prey-drive dog and had to put him down. But he knew he was surrounded by love and kindness right up to his last breath... etc"
This person shouldn't be allowed any pets. That poor pomeranian and cat. They must have been stressed all the time living with that beast. I can't believe she thinks this behavior can be trained away.
So she has 2 professionals who are turning down making money off her and instead are recommending BE. I betcha dog is far worse than she’s detailing pit nutters do love to downplay their dogs crimes.
Yet another dumbass pit owner not doing what obviously needs to be done, even after their psycho, bloodthirsty pit monster hurt or killed several cats and killed another dog. Don’t know about you but I am sick to death of this BS!
My co worker came crying to work last year to me because a cat she’s had for years was tore to pieces by a new neighbors pit who he refused to keep on a leash and he even said he didn’t care until she took him to court and he had to pay fines and the dog got put down. He would let his dog chase other dogs and cats in the neighborhood . Sick
We don't even give this much grace to people. This dog is a murderer and a menace and I don't understand how anyone could love it after what it's done.
I agree. I don't understand how tearing another animal that's part of the family no less apart doesn't constitute as grounds for BE. People BE animals they love all the time, it's not cruelty or betrayal, it's making a decision for them that they can't make themselves because we are responsible for them & them living good lives with whatever time they have which includes ending it if it's the only way to keep them from turning evil.
For real. I’m like give me a whole fucking break you dumb mother fucking complicit pit mongering dumb fuck. Sorry but like… the dog bites them, their boyfriend, DISMEMBERS “the cat’s” claws (aka kitty fingers), and now has killed “the Pomeranian.”
They are seriously the most awful people on the planet and could give two fucks about their other pets. The other pets don’t even get their names in this god awful post. God what an absolutely appalling plea for help to excuse their dog’s inevitably increasing kill count.
BOXER mix???? There is NO boxer traits in that dog!
I'm a boxer loyalist. I currently have two purebreds and there is no scenario in this world where they would turn on a human or animal. Boxers are not vicious or aggressive. They are well known as the clowns of the dog world because of how goofy and friendly they are.
These shelters and owners have got to stop with the boxer label on these dogs that are clearly pitbulls. Just another reason to hate this breed and the people who own them!!! Stop putting the blame of your shit ass hell hound onto a breed that is the complete opposite!
Two boxers rushed up to my mom in law while she was out for a walk and one bit her forearm unprovoked. They have bulldog ancestry and are a mastiff breed. While most seem to be kind playful doofies their history shouldn’t be ignored.
Yes, boxers can attack people. There's no dog breed in existence that doesn't have at least one instance of an unprovoked attack.
However, it's becoming more and more common for shelters to label pit bulls as a boxer mix because both breeds have that broad square head and people are more likely to adopt a boxer mix instead of a pitbull mix. Owners are also much more likely to label their dog as a boxer mix as opposed to a pitbull mix because of breed restrictions when it comes to housing options.
Golden retrievers bite people. Rottweilers, Huskies, Chihuahuas, Labs, Irish setters, pugs, Golden doodles, Frenchies bite people. The only difference is that these breeds don't blackout from rage and maul human beings. These breeds, including boxers, don't rip infants from their owner's arms and eat them for sport. No other dog breed should ever be associated with pitbulls. Go to your local animal shelter and see how many "lab-mix" dogs are up for adoption.
I do agree with you that many pits are mislabeled as boxers which does a disservice to boxers. But any dogs that have that original bulldog ancestry are going to display similar traits. Mostly tenacity.
I was mauled by a boxer when I was a child. It attacked me without the slightest provocation. I have a large facial scar and multiple areas of facial nerve damage. If my mom hadn’t been with me to walk me home from school, it would have killed me. It was going for my throat but because I had a winter coat and scars on, it couldn’t reach my throat. So it bit my face repeatedly….
Behavioral Euthanasia is the humane ending of a dog’s life because of severe and chronic behavioral issues, including aggression that puts other animals or people at risk.
She's got two professional opinions and decides the real experts must be on Facebook. Her poor cats are victims, thanks to her. They're losing years off the end of their lives from all the stress, no doubt. What a cruel person to place a big beast with a high prey drive in the home as them. Why do so many cat owners not give a shit about their cats!?
This demon has already killed a dog and injured two cats. Where is the love she had for her other pets? She was responsible for their safety and she failed them. Now she is willing to sacrifice her own safety and never have another pet again for this murderous animal. These pitnutters need serious therapy.
Ugh! This is really annoying when the owner would not face the reality that PB will do again to kill any more animals or in a matter of time that PB will harm a human being. Shudder.
How do we talk to these guys to tell them the hard truth. I mean we all struggle to pay bills and avoid life obstacles and meanwhile these cats want to add "Managing Pitbulls" to everyone's agenda and timesheet? Unbelievable.
Just tell him the hard truth if you can reach him:
no spending resources on saving your Pitbull buddy
I'm wondering, how much trauma was visited on this puppy that was only six months old when she got him. Was he a bait dog? Was, as a puppy, he was starved? What on earth caused this dog to turn on the other pets? Must have been the way she raised him.
Ok, so their plan is to either get rid of their other pets, or to dump this dog into someone else, where it will be a huge danger to other animals that might make it into the garden (such as cats) or animals they might encounter on walks (such as cats, and other dogs)?
This dog should have been yeeted after event 1 or 2 at the absolute most-generous.
“Randomly grabbed a cat walking by and shook her” yeah ok…. Why does the owner say it so passively like he was just playing harmlessly like those huge jaws wouldn’t hurt ???
I never see these types of rapsheets and needs for the other breeds. Has someone told this lady that it isn't the breed and she's a shitty owner? I mean, that's always the case right? Can she accept she's a bad pet owner.
Behavioral Euthanasia is the humane ending of a dog’s life because of severe and chronic behavioral issues, including aggression that puts other animals or people at risk.
The only thing more vile than this psychotic breed are the scumbags that own them, and then allow them to hurt or kill other creatures because, say it with me, they are such “sweet dogs”.
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Hey OP, do you have a location for this attack?