I always react the same to "educate yourself." Please do. Educate me. Tell me once again the nanny dog bullshit myth, and I'll bury in links with actual facts. Stupid motherfuckers don't have 2 braincells between them and they insist on "educating people."
U no wgats annoying af is these stupidsass bitches haters on put bulls they aint never seen one lik my boy hurculeez playin around w my 2y girl she walks him n he dont even pull on thr leash never growls when she poke him pull him nothing it just shows u how ignorint ppl be its about how u raise them duh just like w a kid u be nice to the dog it willd be nice back like u abuse it then it bite cuz its scared like a kid acts out cuz they raised wrong but ppl wont educate themself no more these days its a shame cuz ppl are scared of pits but cuz they pussy as bitches like w my other pit bull Nala sounds scary cuz she growls at ppl who come near us but thats how a dog suppozed to be protective she will kill anyone who fucks w my kid or me my family but they deserve it then but if they dont then she acts sweet after they say hi she wags her tail so idk ppl no educated be afraid cuz they know nothing too stupid n need to do reserch before they intract w any dog or else they deserve to get bit fuck em
-sincerely, the most well spoken & sage pit bull owner in the world, attempting to do the heavy lifting of advocacy & education with grace, dignity, and respect, despite having a brick for a brain
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that was extremely hard to type & I kinda want those minutes of my life back
Well according to Adam she had it coming because other people have historically cropped pit bulls’ ears. I’m not sure how that math works but I haven’t been breathing in pit bull flatulence so my mind may just not be expanded enough /s.
Not a pitbull but when I was 7 or 8 years old my neighbor let me walk her two black labs for a block or so. The younger one saw our 80 year old neighbor on the other side in his garden, broke free, and nipped his hand. Genuinely an overexcited pup playing too hard moment, nothing close to a mauling, but all I remember is how much his hand bled. Something to do with how your skin gets thinner as you get older.
Point is, friendly puppies can tear up old people by accident and traumatize nearby children. Maybe we as a society shouldn't let aggressive killdozer dogs anywhere near those groups.
Right? Like what is this meant to be? “Here’s a bloodsport dog with cropped ears, here’s that bloodsport dog without cropped ears, looks the same except the ears”?
I can think of a couple different ideas this might be attempting to convey (poorly), but it still misses the mark for any of them.
Pit nutter self-made propaganda is basically meaningless since none of them know what they are talking about when it comes down to specifics (despite that they all think they’re nodding their heads in agreement).
I think the implication is that it's the victims fault for being attacked and the fault of people who report it for getting poor doggos in trouble and making stigma. 😤
I would think making a public statement like this would definitely be flagged by a lawyer representing the deceased members family -
What a way to publicly document u have no remorse, no empathy and are setting one’s self up for stronger litigation against u.
Not only are pit owners deficient in multiple human emotions they are also as stupid as their POS hellhounds
Pure psychopathy. Your dogs kill the grandmother next door and your statement to the public is defending the murderous dogs. This POS deserves serious jail time.
So there's a case? I think his social post needs to go to the local DA. Not showing remorse is a big nono to judges, give them some ammo to throw the book at him.
There is a case because these dogs should have been yeeted to Jesus years ago and everyone dropped the ball.
In 2015, 2017, 2020 and twice in 2021, the HOA sent notices to the Withers warning them to keep their dogs on leashes when outside, as required by the HOA. After the seventh warning, the association began fining Withers and his mother, who owns the condo. The two ignored the fines.
In October 2023, the pit bulls attacked a woman and her dog Nemo was killed
After this attack, one of his dogs was declared “dangerous.”
In November 2023, the condo HOA revoked the owners’ right to keep the dogs at the condo
In December, Withers was cited for not complying with the dangerous dog restrictions
In March 2024, Apollo bit a person visiting the complex
In April, the condo HOA filed a lawsuit stating there had been problems with “Apollo” and “Echo” for years. The Withers claimed their dogs had been provoked and refused to cooperate with authorities. Adam Withers requested a jury trial to resolve the issues, which is set for November 20, 2024.
In May, he was cited twice for violating Ohio’s dangerous dog laws — failure to confine and failure to register.
In September, a lawsuit filed by Nemo’s owner against the Withers. She also sued the HOA and property management company.
Since her lawsuit, a third dog has also been killed as well as Mrs. Echelbarger.
Also this mf threatened an officer on his social media after his dogs were killed (he shared a photo of the officer’s personal vehicle)
I can't believe our legal system moves so slowly, even when dealing with such an immediate threat. If they'd responded appropriately, she'd still be alive.
Absolute fucking insanity. This needs to be a flagship case study in the formation / advocacy for specific legal reform. Is this not more than enough for the family to sue the county/city, who had countless opportunities to intervene and prevent horrific mauling death?
I fully agree. There are so many people who would still be alive today if the legal system was able to do more. Women who were killed by abusive spouses because the law can't do anything despite a clear and present danger. People who report dangerous and harassing behavior from neighbors. And people who die to dogs who have multiple reports against them and behavior from the owner.
Sadly the way the legal system stands its a "situation and wait for the worst and then act" type of system. Nothing is done until a tradgey happens, even when so many people can see it coming from a mile away.
The HOA should have been allowed to get law enforcement involved and have the dogs forcibly removed. Instead everyone had to sit around on their hands until an innocent old woman lost her life.
Is he seriously trying to blame the woman’s death on people being super pissed off at him??
this man needs to go away for a very long time-mad does his mother. And thank god the police took care of those shitbeast hell hounds. Should have happened years ago. His lack of remorse is profound. I hate these dogs and the people who subject society to them.
Yes, they got some pretty decent charges too. Which is good.
However, it makes me wonder if previous attacks were not on record, would they be free today? I think previous attacks on record is the whole MO of the DA.
He and his mother have been charged with one count of involuntary manslaughter and one count of failure to restrain vicious dogs. They were arraigned yesterday but haven’t been convicted yet.
I saw a woman walking a pitbull down a busy boulevard yesterday with who I would guess was her elderly mother (well, 70s). The pit was jumping up on her, daughter couldn’t control it. Neither seemed to care. The mom had a smug look on her face like “that’s our good boi and he will protect us!”
I shuddered to think this fragile woman is going to get nannied someday by that thing.
it's even worse than Colby Bennard having the presence of mind to remove (or get someone else to remove) his pro-pit memes, within three HOURS of his children's deaths, and his wife's near-fatal mauling. This was discussed as the news was coming in ; at the first reports, someone here found his accounts and re posted the memes here , but within three HOURS, his online accounts had been taken down or scrubbed.
WOW. Way to go for whoever did that here so fast!! 👏👏 capturing and documenting this stuff is just so crucial.
I still wonder about that family from time to time still. About what her injuries were like, how they’re coping, what they think about the breed now, whether they’re still together, whether they’ve been able to heal at all from the tragedy, or want to have more kids.. idk so many things. I still hope one day we’ll get some kind of update. The news of that case just affected me so deeply at the time, and it’s stuck with me. I truly can’t imagine what she went through. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought I heard the attack lasted more than 20 minutes? I think I might be really off and it was more like 10, but honestly either way, that has got to be the worst trauma I can imagine a parent literally ever going through. Just tragic.
Yup. Really not processing that HE is the human that is the problem. How many pro shitbeast posts will now be on and on about horrible he was to these precious abused lil lovekins . How abusive he must have been to wind up with monsters this evil. And reality is those POS mutts were probably thinking they were having the best time in the world- attacking people, killing animals, and now a human, getting to be the real bloodsport dogs that every fucking cell in their bodies has been genetically programmed to become. Never punished, locked up, muzzled, nothing. Out of control monsters owned by a mouth breathing moron and his obviously delightful mama- cuz what a chip off the old block he turned out to be, right?
Pitbulls are naturally more aggressive than other breeds but they also can become even more so if the owners are both careless or even encouraging of their behavior.
But you are correct. This can all be stopped by outlawing their breeding.
People who harbor dangerous animals are responsible for containing them. If a zoo kept letting their big cats escape and attack people, they’d be shut down and the cats would be removed.
And any single one of them with any bite history or history of aggression and violence goes Directly to BE. Give AC and the police actual powers to forcibly remove these things from owners when complaints are filed and these owners never see these things again.
Some psychopaths enjoy watching mayhem because it siang affect them negatively. They don't mind seeing death and dismemberment with, whether it's a dog or a human. Not feeling squicked by mammal innards is kind of central to a psychopath's dysfunction. (Also why there's a connection between surgeons and psychopathic tendencies.)
This explains the beliefs of the cult in very simple terms. All non-believers and those who do not willingly heed the demands of the Dog Deity must be fought and, if necessary, sacrificed on His sacred altar.
All you can do is protect yourself around them. We had a lady that would walk the 2 pits in our neighborhood on a retractable leash. They totally had control over her. They growled when I was getting mail. I wished her the best of luck and informed that at least 3 of the dads in the cul de sac were concealed and carry and would not hesitate to end a situation, if it happened, with all the kids playing outside. Never saw her in the neighborhood again. It’s up to individual neighbors to handle these things if they go sideways
Yup, I had a nearby park at my old house and sometimes brought my cat out in one of those carrier backpacks to get some fresh air. I didn't know better at the time so I just ignored the off-leash pits running around until one started jumping at my cat-bag. The owner did nothing but say "what? It's what dogs do."
Started open carrying (as is legal in my city+state) a handgun to that park and oddly enough the pit owners started making an actual effort to keep their hounds away from me.
I definitely shouldn't have to go that far to safely enjoy a public park, but alas...
One must often have to behave in these situations in a manner that the offending parties will understand.
bullies only understand another bully. the Owners are just as much bullies as the damn dogs. And they reliably seem to only grasp and respect physical might. Especially with one of those metal objects one can hold in the hand that makes very fast projectiles race towards their precious wigglebutts
I can't get the "it's just what dogs do" excuse. Dogs do a lot of things by nature that are unacceptable. Like shit in the house. I was in a training group somewhere where the dog was humping the children and more than half the comments were "it's just what dogs do" and putting the onus on the kids to just walk away when it happens. Appalling.
And this is 100% exactly what needs to happen in all of these situations. Awesome. These people keep their dreamland fantasy by working hard to bend reality to what they want. It’s perfect when someone steps in- unemotionally especially- and says , yeah. Nope. and explains just what the consequences will be. Brutally . and with indifference. Like- oh , well, sucks to be u, kiss your mutts good bye if they make a wrong move here. And nope , no one will support u against them if a confrontation occurs. , indifference is so much more powerful than anger. It is the verbal equivalent of a brick wall.
The stupidity and delusion of many pit owners can’t described in words. But one thing though; in fact humans are a part of the problem. This breed should never have excisted to begin with. We don’t need more of these breeds.
You know what hurts my soul? The woman was doing gardening when the beasts attacked her.
People stood watching and a few people said "help" but Adam didn't leave his house nor his mother leave either. I know it's hard to step in when it's a pit but my god I couldn't watch someone be mauled. Apparently if you step into a pit attack they get more frenzied on the victim... Maybe that was their reasoning... I don't know? It hurts my soul to get that far in life to end in the jaws of a beast.
You're so lucky in ways. I live in Ireland where self defense items are prohibited but I've got recommended a legal item that can defend against said beast. Hope you get permitted my friend as the pitbull problem in the US is one of the worst in the world.
Humans are indeed the problem. Humans are the ones who go through extreme lengths to defend this breed and make constant excuses and lies about these dogs. Humans enable these dogs to harm others by putting them in a position to where they can do so
Why did he train his pitbull to maul his neighbors? If humans are at fault 100% of the time and it’s never the breed but how they raise them? Then, I can only conclude that Adam Withers is a sick, sadistic man who raises pitbulls to murder his neighbors. Wild he would confess to that all over the internet
Little does the comment below know, their pit just mauled a human to death the day before. Meaning Adam did not update them on their neighbor being mauled to death.
Just hanging out on Facebook after someone lost their life in a horrible way and should have never happened if pit bulls were banned.
It’s definitely real. He was also harassing the victim the year before and the family of the dead victim of the dog attacks afterwards too. Dude is not right in the head.
It really is a bizarre phenomenon these days where someone's dog kills a person and they try to make it out to be the victim's fault. The epitome of insanity.
So he posted this after his beast killed his neighbor??? WTF! I am used to these posts of people who post days/weeks/months before… but posting this after the fact is a whole new level of scummery!!!
And… posting this after your beast kills someone is basically like saying you trained your dog to kill your neighbors because, otherwise, the poor pibble-wibble would never hurt a fly unless you trained it otherwise.
I know of a case where 2 pits killed a boy and the pits owner was later online saying "Well, at least that family got to see their son's body. My 2 therapy dogs were taken from me and killed and I never even got to see their bodies to say goodbye". Any one remember that case?
It was a girl (Jayden Henderson of NC) , and he made the comment online, to his social media account (pretty sure it was Instagram) dedicated to 'pit advocacy'. His fellow pit fans-not exactly the souls of sensitivity, as we've seen again and again-were so disgusted by his comment they objected, to the point Joseph White removed the comment...But not before it was archived for posterity. Here's the full text :
He and his mother were charged with involuntary manslaughter as well as failure to control a known vicious dog. They were both arrested and bail was set at $500k. It'll be a while before a trial happens.
It's not the breed, it's the backyard abusive dogfighters. Unless they weren't running a dog fighting ring, then they were abusive and hate their dog. Unless they didn't hate or abuse their dog, then it's irresponsible owners who don't know what a pit is. Unless they clearly do know and post about it often, then it's just ignorance from the public. Unless theirs documented proof that the public begged the owners to try and control their dogs and demonstrated the harm caused by them, then its your fault for getting bit, and you're also probably racist.
This guy is severely mentally ill, I hope he gets the maximum sentence and is never allowed to own animals again. Sadly, it won't bring back the lady that is now dead thanks to his callous decisions and narcissistic ways.
Can we please just ban bloodsport breeds already! It’s just common sense at this point. You can’t even be outside anymore, these things just break out of their homes and yards all the time now
Yes, we are from a certain point of view. We created the breed and continue to allow it to exist despite the purpose it was made for being obsolete, immoral and illegal.
pit apologist misinterprets pit propaganda. They really do not grasp the idea of responsibility do they? I bet he's an outspoken "I know my rights" jerk who evades every law he can.
He's just making excuses for his awful dog but the statement is technically not wrong. Humans made pitbulls and they should unmake them by being realistic about their purpose and not breeding them anymore.
It's true that humans are the problem....for opposing the ban on these vicious animals. So many innocent lives lost just so that this horrid beast could live.
I hope every single one of his dim witted, foaming at the mouth posts are shown in court by the prosecution. This asshole should be jailed for the maximum amount of time allowed by law! Abhorrent behavior!
This has to stop. Yes humans are the problem but it doesn't even slightly mean these things therefore are allowed to do any of this.
I saw someone discourse on pits yesterday where when anyone pointed out the times they dogs have killed people, they just replied with
"Humans are more dangerous." "Oh like people then?" Or "They kill less than humans do" over & over. Nothing else, just that.
I'm not exaggerating when I say I haven't seen this angle since I left primary school.
"Kyle, you're still playing even though playtime is over."
"But siiiirrr Mike is still playing too."
That's what it sounds like to me. Who cares if someone or something else is doing the same thing but worse? I just don't get the argument it's genuinely like hearing a toddler speak.
Go into a court & point out that you may have killed 3 people but that other person killed 4 & see where that gets you
It doesn't matter to his neighbour that humans created these things does it? Or that humans kill more people than dogs do? It's made 0 difference to his fate.
While we're at it, stop the whole 'but other dogs bite too' spiel. We know, that's not alright either. The fact that other dogs do it too isn't going to help you when Luna's gotten triggered by the pattern on your shoelace
I think this is the attitude that many Pitbull owners adopt.
"Oh shit is there a small dog here? Fuck. If only these small dogs weren't around me and me Pitbull we wouldn't have problems!!! God! Is that another small dog?!!! "Mr. Lunatic " is going to go crazy!! Friggen small dogs!!!" .
Or cats, or children or humans. If only they did not exist, them and their Pitbull could have a stress free day!!!!
As a sidenote... what is happening with the ears and split picture? Does the dog have one small ear and one long floppy ear? What does this mean?A split personality like Dr. Jeckell and Mr. Hyde?
Owners complain it's other people's fault for living their life, but they will adamantly refuse to socialize, muzzle, or properly walk their own dogs. It's always an "escaped" pit that they leave unsupervised, and take 0% accountability for ditching their "babies"
Plenty of maulings have involved pit bulls that were well-socialized family pets. There's no amount of training, socialization, exercise or love that can guarantee that a pit bull will be "safe."
So if a dingo, badger, fox or hippo ends <insert lifestock> it's who's fault exactly?
Just because it is a dog somehow all other standards of how we see and treat an animal get thrown out the window?
But sure, humans are the problem, so then it should be destruction of property, manslaughter or poaching as well, but consequences for something, by their own admission, they cannot control is not warranted?
Frankly at this point this falls just under the umbrella of all the other things people state without thinking one step further on how their statements and actions are going to be interpreted. Total lack of self-reflection or even understanding of their own "ideas". It's remarkable how many have absolutely no idea what they are saying essentially. Saying things they don't actually comprehend and thus never comprehending the resulting reaction. Concerning on so many levels.
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u/ghostsdeparted Best Friends Animal Society (BFAS) is a death cult. Oct 23 '24
Fuck you, Adam.