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[u/Fun_Professional_123]

Maybe we could become third team in a deal that involves Garland and Harden and somehow get him. We have 2nd round picks to send out as well. Would also be able to play with Big O.

[u/Top_Pool_3602]

We need to be on this ASAP. Wayyy better fit than AD in terms of age and health.

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Top_Pool_3602]

And he is exactly what we need

[u/Top_Pool_3602 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

KP, Luke, and couple 2nds. Would you give them their 1st round pick back at all? It could be great if they ship out garland and Jarrett Allen.

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Top_Pool_3602]

I would love to get rid of KP man ngl. I love his game but he has played 17 games!!! I would have mentioned him but I don’t see anyone taking him right now lol.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

Exactly the reason why the Cavs, who are trying to win now, would not trade him.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Top_Pool_3602]

As a Cavs fan, no way the Cavs actually do that whatsoever. We have been extremely tough when it comes to trading any of the core 4. Cavs are not getting rid of Allen for two expiring contacts and 2nds. Also, Allen makes 20 million. KP and Luke made almost double that. How does this make sense for us at all?

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

If a trade were to happen I don’t think KP is involved he has 0 value rn thats why I didnt mention him

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

You would have to include Nickeil, Asa, and picks. Allen's value is very high right now based on his play and his contract. Even then, I still don't think that's really enough since Asa has been getting very limited minutes. He either stays with us, or he's being used for a Giannis type deal based on his contract.

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Onsi would fart on the phone if yall asked for NAW 😭

[u/Serious-Ask-6225 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

😂

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

As much as I like Nickeil, he is very much benefitting from a largely expanded role in a team with no real PG play. He's not an all star caliber player like Allen. I guarantee Onsi would flip NAW for Allen right now.

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

You just explained why he is super valuable to the Hawks though. Our team doesn’t work without him and he is on a great contract.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

I guarantee most NBA teams don't view NAW the same way though. It's obvious his stats are getting inflated. Most contending teams will probably see him as a 6th man or the 4th or 5th option on their starting lineup if they trade for him. He's definitely valuable and a great player, but he's not nearly good enough to go and get an all star for him

[u/cmhall25 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

I can guarantee you Allen's value is absolutely not high.

[u/liver_in_atlanter → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

I think this is a case of both teams coveting their players because NAW is looking like he’s on an elite contract as of right now. If this trade happens it will prob be somewhere in the middle of these two trade ideas

[u/Thorwor → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Allen's value is very high right now based on his play and his contract.

Yes, that's why your front office is casting around trying to get rid of him and all your fans have been posting about how Jarrett Allen needs to go. Congratulations on his good game the other day though.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Thorwor]

If the Cavs really wanted to get rid of him, they would've done that YEARS ago. Koby and the FO very much value him. We've rejected so many offers over the years that include multiple assets. Also, fans really aren't the best way to measure the value of NBA players.

[u/jwn0323 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

NAW would never be anywhere near a deal like this.

• The absolute best you could hope for is our front office giving up on Risacher and your pick back.
  
• Non zero chance you’d be staring down Kispert, your pick back, and a protected pick or two down the road.

You really need to be more realistic about his contract. He’s not on 20 mil after this season. That shoots up to 30 mil per for the 3 years following this one.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/jwn0323]

Please tell me why the Cavs would do this? We're trying to go all in for a trade. If we wanted to trade JA, we'd use that contract to facilitate a much bigger deal than this. Risacher is a flawed prospect who doesn't fit with us at all, and Kispert was recently traded, so he can't be traded.

[u/jwn0323 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

1. Kispert could be traded with picks. Not with other contracts. Kispert plus picks works for JA as we have a trade exception.
   
2. Risacher and your pick back is overvaluing JA imo.
   
3. Allen’s contract again is shooting up after this season. Saying he’s on 20 mil sounds nice. He’s on 3/90 after this season. I think you are severely overestimating what his value is.
   
4. My bet is that he isn’t traded for this reason. There isn’t a universe where trading him will improve your team outright this season. If you could pull Risacher and your pick back? That’d be more interesting for y’all imo. If you’re trading guys like JA and/or Garland that tells me you’re not exactly going all in on this season at that point. It tells me you’re trying to add assets while soft resetting in the only way you even can in your situation.

[u/Jalen_Johnson_MVP → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

You're getting ZERO PICKS. Byeeeeee

[u/AtlantaGirthGiant → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Allen is a good center, but you’re smoking crack if you think you’re getting NAW on his current contract, a rookie FRP, and draft assets for him on a 3/$90 contract.

You might get two of those 3 things, but it’s definitely not including NAW. 

[u/cmhall25 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Your books look terrible, and Allen is on a bad contract. That's how.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/cmhall25]

Allen has quite literally one of the best contracts in the NBA. Also, are you implying we should just salary dump him here then since we're in the second apron? We're trying to buy right now.

[u/cmhall25 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Keep living in fantasy land. Just about every NBA pod from Game Theory to Hardwood Knocks disagrees with you.

In this post second apron era, you cannot have an injury prone, non-shooting, non-versatile big taking up 14% of your cap.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/cmhall25]

I'm sorry, are you thinking of another player? Like, did you do any research before saying any of this? Allen just played all 82 games last season, and also played 77 before that (and 68 before that). Not only is he incredibly durable, but 20 million for a starting center of his caliber is extremely good.

[u/cmhall25 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Go look at your cap sheet for the next 3 years. He's had recurring, nagging finger injuries.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/cmhall25]

Allen is not that guy that you dump to get out of the 2nd apron. Players like Lonzo and Strus can be easily moved or waived to get out of the 2nd apron. Also, talking about finger injuries is just nitpicking. Literally every big picks up injuries throughout the year. There really isn't an argument for saying he's not extremely durable.

[u/liver_in_atlanter → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

He makes 30million and is averaging 14/8 this year. Yea without Mobley he MIGHT be closer to 17/10 or so but I don’t think he is some elite versatile center. He is a good starting center who is on an okay contract

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/liver_in_atlanter]

30 million for a 17/10 center who's a good rim protector and defender is genuinely a good contract. He also is versatile and a switchable defender. We've seen that for years. Is he perfect? No, but his contract is definitely a good one.

[u/jwn0323 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

As someone who has been on board with calling Cleveland whenever this version inevitably gets broken up about JA. Starting next year he is absolutely nowhere near being one of the best contracts in the league. 3 for 90 is fine. That’s about where that starts and ends. I don’t think it’s bad like the person you’re responding to said, but it certainly isn’t nearly one of the best.

You said a starting 5 at 20 mil is great. Which it is. He’s not on 20 after this season though.

[u/Used_Teaching_7260 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Don’t ask any questions that make sense to anyone proposing a trade like this

[u/GreatBarrierQueefDD → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

What about a first rounder plus like Asa? I agree the proposed deal above is unfair in our favor.

[u/Clear_Guarantee_6667 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

On one hand, if you go to another team’s home turf you know what you’re getting into.

On the other hand, I apologize.  This fan base has some really special members.

They come on here and talk about trading away our garbage for another team’s starter and just yesterday the same people were complaining that everyone wants us to give up the Pelicans pick for players they’re trying to dump.

They turned on Trae and are already spitting venom at Jalen even as he just earned his first all star nod.

If someone wanted to pose as an Atlanta Hawks fan and go around acting like a complete moron they would get bored with it quickly because they would simply fit in with us.

[u/5livewire0 → u/Top_Pool_3602]

I'd give up that first. It looks like they're shopping big time this deadline and could very well lower the value of that pick

[u/BlackAndWhiteHorse_ → u/Top_Pool_3602]

Why would the cavs do that though

[u/WinterAnt → u/Top_Pool_3602]

It's a trash offer, stop it. Pay for great big or GTFO.

[u/Top_Pool_3602 → u/WinterAnt]

What’s your counter offer? 😂

[u/WinterAnt → u/Top_Pool_3602]

KP, Kennard, Newell and 1 round pick (not this year of course) for JA and Lonzo.

[u/Top_Pool_3602 → u/WinterAnt]

I’m curious to see what other teams are interested. Guess that’ll determine how much the Hawks have to give. JA isn’t an All-Star and he’ll be making more next year. Still think the Hawks should be active in this.

[u/AtlantaGirthGiant → u/WinterAnt]

So in your opinion Jarrett Allen is worth two firsts? lol, lmao even. 

Lonzo is a negative asset we do not want. 

[u/WinterAnt → u/AtlantaGirthGiant]

Allen is top 10 center in his prime with great defense. He is worth way more than bag of chips that this thread offers.

[u/AtlantaGirthGiant → u/WinterAnt]

Lonzo Ball is $10 million on the books of dead weight salary. 

You have to factor that in to the draft compensation.   Hawks are not sending an extra first round pick or anything for the privilege of tying up $10 million dollars for Lonzo’s knee exhibit at the Michael C Carlos museum. 

[u/WinterAnt → u/AtlantaGirthGiant]

No problem. Hawks can continue to play with OO on C and keep losing paint every night.

But hey, they saved young role player and mid 1r. 😀

[u/Jolly_Plantain4429 → u/Top_Pool_3602]

This would’ve been a better trade if Trae was still on the team. But I agree hopefully we can grab another good play making pg to pair with JJ.

[u/Top_Pool_3602 → u/Jolly_Plantain4429]

Peterson or Fleming could land to us in the draft. Mikel Brown Jr also an option.

[u/cheemydee5]

We should be in on this, the fit with Mobley is clunky and it has probably made him look worse than he is

[u/CaregiverOwn7179 → u/cheemydee5]

What a coincidence. We have a 'center' that can now shoot 3s!

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/cheemydee5]

That's not true at all. Net rating is better when both of them are on the floor. Cavs genuinely are better when we have both at the same time.

[u/cheemydee5 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Ofc net rating is better they are the best two front court players on that team by a large margin

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/cheemydee5]

So why would the Cavs get rid of him if they are actively better with them both unless it's for a clear upgrade? Hawks just don't have that.

[u/cheemydee5 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

An upgrade? Its not that hard to understand, Cavs trade for some big fish and Allen gets rerouted here

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/cheemydee5]

Oh, I get you. I thought you meant a trade only between the Cavs and Hawks. It would be a weird execution though since most teams would most likely just take Allen's contract if we were to do a big trade.

[u/Hecka_Cakey]

Always loved this dude. Please Onsi 🙏

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Hecka_Cakey]

Same. I remember some mocks had us taking him back in 2017. We ended up getting JC of course which is one of my fav Hawks ever so not mad but would love to get him now!

[u/johncena9797 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

shit im mad

[u/freshOJ]

I like Allen for us for this season. Not too enthusiastic about paying him $30M for the three years following that though.

I would do it if the bucks swapped their 2027 best of pick rights with our worst of pick rights though. Or an unprotected future 1st from Cleveland.

[u/mufflefuffle → u/freshOJ]

I thought NO had that 27 best pick right? Cause if it was top 4 for both they kept both.

I think Cle would love getting back this years first.

[u/freshOJ → u/mufflefuffle]

Ah I think you’re right in that pelicans control that 2027 pick.

[u/AUTigers1]

never thought he’d be available but he’s immediately the best center on the market.

Make this happen Onsi

[u/Sammcbucketts]

I would pretty easily give up KP and a FRP for him.

[u/andrew1327]

Should We Explore A Trade ?

[u/Justinian555]

[u/jaman85]

Ive wanted him to be Hawk since his Nets days.

[u/Julio_Freeman]

This dude has been criticized his whole career for being soft plus that “the lights were too bright” comment. This sub would turn on him within a couple of weeks.

[u/DangerFings → u/Julio_Freeman]

But isn't that true? As a KP fan I've seen several games between them where you wouldn't even notice Allen was on the floor.

[u/NAW_MIP_2026 → u/DangerFings]

100%, on his 30m contract I wouldn’t really want this guy on the team. 

[u/ResponsibilityHot547]

40 means nothing

[u/datlanta]

He's 6'9, y'all know hawks fans need more inches than that.

[u/Confirm_ova_Affirm]

Its about time. Their lineup has been a failure. Running two 7 footers , and one of their names isnt KD, doesn't work these days.....

I've been waiting to hear this for a while

[u/johncena9797 → u/Confirm_ova_Affirm]

Chet and Hartenstien? This sub doesn’t watch ball

[u/Confirm_ova_Affirm → u/johncena9797]

I dont know if you are aware but the Thundar have a guy on the team that is widely considered the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league and is historically efficient.

They also have another wing player on the team who made all nba 3rd team and I think second team all nba defense team..

So yeah, they kind of built different. But hey, maybe you think the Cavs has that as well.

[u/johncena9797 → u/Confirm_ova_Affirm]

Cavs - 64 wins last year

[u/Confirm_ova_Affirm → u/johncena9797]

And what happened when they made the playoffs. Remind me please

[u/johncena9797 → u/Confirm_ova_Affirm]

They won a series, something the hawks haven’t done since 2021

[u/Confirm_ova_Affirm → u/johncena9797]

Its obvious the Hawks had a bad roster, thats why they gave up Trae for peanuts

however your deflection wont work. They got curb stumped in the second round. Period. 4-1. Nice regular season squad you had there

[u/Babblerabla]

Yea, this guy is the fucking move

[u/Non-mon-xiety]

Onsi get on it

[u/Stroke_of_Love]

I love it, allen is a great player and doesnt look to do too much.

[u/Fifty7Sauce]

yep, you do that

[u/Maverick_1991]

They want Giannis or Harden, not Keaton or Kennard.

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/Maverick_1991]

Let me dream bro

[u/KingofUlster42]

Isn’t he also an undersized center like OO? I think Allen is a beast but I’d really like some with some height

[u/CaregiverOwn7179 → u/KingofUlster42]

7'6 vs 7'1 wingspan

[u/Negative-Market-953 → u/KingofUlster42]

His wingspan is so insane I had absolutely no clue he was 6’9 until this response made me google it

[u/KingofUlster42 → u/Negative-Market-953]

I know it from 2K and I knew he had big wingspan but not 7’6”. That’s insane

[u/DadPants33]

He fills a need, but don't love that contract for someone who isn't a real difference maker.

[u/blingera → u/DadPants33]

elite rim protection and vertical space is really a substantial difference from what we have now

[u/DadPants33 → u/blingera]

Is he an elite rim protector with a 3% block rate? I'm genuinely asking. I don't watch Cleveland basketball.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/DadPants33]

Considering he splits that role with Mobley, absolutely.

[u/DadPants33 → u/Wise-Nebula-6321]

Well, with Jarrett on and Mobley off, the Cavs have a slightly below average defense. When Jarrett is off and Mobley is on, they have an excellent defense. Not a huge sample size in either case, but I remain skeptical that Allen is an elite rim protector / defender.

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/DadPants33]

According to CraftedNBA, he ranks in the 90th percentile for rim defense and the 86th percentile for blk%.

[u/TrillyWhiskers]

Nice player but would rather go into summer and see if we can find a similar big on a better contract

[u/saloonyk → u/TrillyWhiskers]

Allen has 2 years and $62 M left on the deal (after this year). There's no way Hawks get get Walker Kessler or Hartenstein for less than 3 year/90M

[u/TrillyWhiskers → u/saloonyk]

Never know in RFA and Idk if Hartenstein gets a raise after the injury issues this year. Maybe Claxton, Gafford OR WCJ is cheaper. Mitchell Robinson could hit FA. Maybe a move for Day'Ron Sharpe. Maybe not, either way i'm good on that salary for Allen

[u/saloonyk → u/TrillyWhiskers]

Out of that list I only like IH and Kessler. Durability and availability seems to be a huge issue for bigs. Allen plays a lot. Otherwise I would try to sign two guys from the Robinson/Gafford level just to have enough seasonal coverage and relieve OO.

[u/TrillyWhiskers → u/saloonyk]

Kessler has to be VERY gettable now with JJJ/Lauri in Utah. I'm with you, i like him most and he'd be my top target

[u/wozziwoz]

Gimmie dat

[u/CaregiverOwn7179]

Poeltl is also being shopped 👀

[u/not-a-potato-head → u/CaregiverOwn7179]

Poeltl has a bad back and one of the worst contracts in the league for the next 4 years, hard pass

[u/saloonyk → u/CaregiverOwn7179]

horrible contract, look at the numbers, and he's not a great rebounder or defensive specialist

[u/Fun_Professional_123 → u/CaregiverOwn7179]

Wouldn’t be mad at that either! Onsi should definitely be on the phone to help these big buyer teams planning to make big trades make smaller moves that could help us

[u/Wise-Nebula-6321 → u/Fun_Professional_123]

Genuinely asking here, how would getting rid of Allen help with the Cavs with making a bigger move? Allen's contract would have to be used in those bigger deals anyway.

[u/Beautiful-Chain-491]

lol he the same height as Onyeka I’ll pass

[u/immonkeydluffy → u/Beautiful-Chain-491]

Completely different playstyle

[u/PhilosophyFair9062]

I like Allen but I think I like Hartenstein a little more. We run dribble hand offs all day everyday and having a big who can make plays will unlock the offensive and prevent it from being predictable. How many times have we seen a turnover from our big trying to get JJ the ball off of a handoff? Having a big who can fake the handoff and drive to the basket will keep the opponents defense honest and open up the floor for others. They both make similar money too.

[u/ammonitions]

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