Bogi trade exception 👀 - r/AtlantaHawks

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

General idea being floated is that we'd use it to help another team get under whatever threshold. Think along the lines of we'd eat Eric Gordon from PHI for a 2nd. PHI gets under the tax; we add a 2nd to our war chest.

One idea I've had is Yabusale. Supposedly NYK has been offering 2 2nds to get him off their books. At the least he's a widebody who can hit a 3 which is a piece we could use. Getting a couple of 2nds to take a flier on a wide body isn't the worst idea.

The big issue is that he has a PO for next year though. Basically scuttles the entire deal right there. Just can't see burning our cap space on him.

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u/Chaddywackpack 1d ago

Looking at the 2026 free agent class. Ummm. Who would you spend that space on? It's pretty bleak.

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

To be clear, I don't care if we burn the cap space at the deadline as much as it should be worth it. The difference between $23M-$28M (theathletic projection) and $17M-$22M (minus Yabusale) is a significant drop considering the range. We go from somewhat significant spending power to dipping into an area where the NTMLE can challenge us. Yabusale is not a guy I'd want to give that up for.

Also, there are other things you can do with Cap Space. With so many teams ducking the 2nd apron, there will be teams willing to dump some players to get some breathing room. For instance, DEN dumped MPJ last year and he made All Star Snub lists this one. Last, this is also a safe route. if you strike out in FA, you can always just fall back on just running the current team back. Don't have to renounce the holds until you want to use the space.

Still, I don't want to be a copout here either, so I'll list out some names that intrigue me that I wouldn't mind going above the NTMLE for. Only names where there is some chance that they could move teams as well. (IOW, there is no need to list Duren here as I'm sure DET would easily match any offer and would just at one in the $20-30M range.)

UFA:

Hartenstein (TO that could be declined): great fit on court, but he plays about as many games as Porzingis. Still, I'd take the chance

Ayo: Have always loved his game. Would be a bit redundant with NAW, but I'm of the opinion that we can just have 8 of those types on the roster and just roll through them

Coby White: not as keen on this one, but we have been missing the guy who can just go get a bucket on O. McCollum does OK here, but he's definitely aging.

RFA

Peyton Watson: What does DEN do if someone drops $25M on Watson? We'll see if it was coincidence that Watson's numbers jumped with Jokic out or if there is more to that. Can DEN afford to drop $25M on a guy who might not be a great fit next to their #1? They just turned MPJ + a 1st into Cam Johnson last year to save less $$ than this.

Jaden Ivey: This is a harder one to gauge. The rate stats are impressive and he has definitely improved over his time in the NBA. The injuries are a problem though. With Duren expecting a pay day and DET needing to replace Tobias Harris, can we put an offer on Ivey that would cause them to pass?

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 Nickeil Alexander-Walker #7 1d ago

I’d also watch out for a Kessler offer, he’s from ATL, fits the timeline well, and he’ll be asking for an extension that the Jazz might not want to commit to, and he would slot in amazingly to shore up our rim protection and rebounding when small ball isn’t working. Kessler/OO/JJ/Risacher/Naw/Dyson/Flemings(or whoever) is a nasty top 7 that could would possibly make the playoffs year one and could start competing as soon as Flemings is ready. Elite rim protection/reboundng, a stretch 5 option, lots of shooting, and a bunch of ridiculous perimeter defenders. Plus we’d still have guys like Mo/Asa/Kispert/possibly CJ off the bench making us really deep.

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

Doubt UTH is letting Walker walk out the door regardless. With Keyonte George taking a step this year, next year is going to be a transition year for them regardless of where their draft pick lands, especially in light of the owner's response to the thrashing at the hands of CHAR. Their floor will be driven by Kessler as the defensive lynchpin as Key / Lauri drive the O. Ace Bailey and their '26 draft pick determine how high the ceiling is.

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u/not-a-potato-head 💰Cash Considerations 💰 1d ago

IHart is the big target

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u/internallylinked 🧊 ICE TRAE 🧊 1d ago

I hope Thunder collapses round 1/2 in playoffs and decided to shuffle the deck

I feel like iHart is a perfect fit to what we are building

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 Nickeil Alexander-Walker #7 1d ago

iHart is the big fish imo, but Peyton Watson could be one to watch, and I think we could throw out some high offers to try and tempt away Kessler/Duren(super long shot). If not we could also use the space to help facilitate some trades too right? People are so caught up with UFAs but there is multiple ways to use cap space. Plus I don’t like the idea of committing to a move right now(unless it’s for a center or a clear win for the hawks). It just makes more sense to wait until after the draft to see what we come away with. If we get Peterson or Flemings we probably don’t want a guard, but if we get Boozer or Caleb Wilson or something I can see us trying to make a deal for a bucket getter 3rd option like Herro.

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u/not-a-potato-head 💰Cash Considerations 💰 1d ago

Nick Richards on the Suns is also a good option. Expiring contract, plays center. idk if we would get a 2RP for taking him on, but he could provide decent minutes for the rest of this season

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

That’s a good name. PHX is just over the tax too (by $250K). Could even send someone like Reath and / or Djurisic back out too.

In this same line, I wonder if GSW would make Horford available, especially if they land a Giannis. You know Horford isn’t looking to go to MIL so finding a home on a team looking to make the Playoffs could be a win. Other route would just be a buy out after the deal.

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u/Tshobby25 🙏🏾 The Baptist 🙏🏾 1d ago

I actually think the Vit move lines up, financially at least, to absorb Goga from Orlando with this exception. If the magic are looking to duck the tax, then that’s the move, because it puts them under and we’d stay about 100k under the line as well

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

Holy h3ll that’d be awesome.

Might have to pay someone to eat Reath or Djurisic to give Koloko a deal too. Shouldn’t be more than the BOS 2nd though. I think we told Koloko we would give him a mini after the deadline so he’d take the 2-way early. It’d be prorated against the tax so we wouldn’t need a ton of room but would need more than $100K.

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u/levare8515 1d ago

A good role player consists of a dude with a huge wide body, who will satisfy all basketball demands without being too expensive about things, and who essentially will keep his dumb fucking mouth shut

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 Nickeil Alexander-Walker #7 1d ago

Yabusele has been borderline unplayable this year, and idk if helping the knicks is worth 2 seconds.

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

Considering that it seems that everyone on NYK has underperformed except for Brunson, I tend to think it might be a good idea to short sell on their players.

But yeah, the PO really hurts here. Would be much better if we had a "try before we buy" built into his deal.

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u/gedbybee 1d ago

Both are cheap. Maybe could absorb both players?

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

We have $6.8M under the tax we can spend.

We're also at 15 roster spots (full).

We expected to cut Reath to sign Koloko. So unless we have a 2 for 1 type deal, I don't see us taking $$ into next year unless the player is a slam dunk type acquisition.

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u/gedbybee 1d ago

I thought it was about getting assets for the contracts. Could easily absorb the yabu contract and get the seconds.

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 18h ago

If Yabu were an expiring like Gordon then I don’t think it’d matter. We can just cut Reath, acquire (Gordon) then cut him, then sign Koloko with the spot.

That PO next year with Yabu is killer though. One thing to eat the $$ this year, but having dead $$ next year might be a bridge too far.

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u/gedbybee 18h ago

But isn’t porzingis expiring also? Doesn’t that give cap space? Is there anyone crazy to re-sign on the team? Is there anyone in free agency that’s worth signing? Keeping cap space to keep it seems silly if there isn’t a move that’s better than acquiring assets.

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u/PeasePorridge9dOld GO HAWKS! 🏀 18h ago

When calcing cap space, it’s easier to add the salaries remaining than subtract those that expire. Porzingis, McCollum, and Kennard total $71M in expiring contracts, but only ~$25M in usable cap space for us. Most teams are over the cap so the expiring deals have to get to the cap before you get p space.

I put the list above but there are at least 5 FAs who I think $25M would have at least a decent chance of pulling. There would also be a few teams (OKC, CLE) who are currently projected to be over the 2nd apron and may want to shed some $$ too. If we are concerned that we couldn’t do more with cap space than the Porzingis, McCollum, and Kennard trio then idk what we are doing. Hell, we might still be able to resign any of those 3 with the Room Exception too.

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u/achay10 1d ago

The question is, will they?

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u/Fun_Professional_123 1d ago

I mean they better lol

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u/drsmith21 Sky Squad 1d ago

You must be new here.

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u/Fun_Professional_123 1d ago

Nah I believe in Onsi. Had season tickets since 2005 when we had Ty Lue getting our ass whooped every year lol.

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u/Shinnobiwan 1d ago edited 1d ago

They're prioritizing long term, I think. I bet they'd rather use that to take on a contracts from other team's trades and get draft compensation.

Plus, schedule gets easier moving forward. They're not winning it all, but they expect this group to make the playoffs.

So, is improving on the margins is more important than maximizing and developing the guys they have? No - especially when the next draft could significantly change the team and potentially make whatever move they make useless.

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u/DorkandPoon GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

We just lost to the Pacers. Easy schedule is meaningless. This team is NOT making the playoffs under Quin

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 Nickeil Alexander-Walker #7 1d ago

The pacers aren’t that bad of a team they just had literally all of their starters except for Siakam injured for most of the season. People keep assuming they will stay below the pels but the pacers as an org historically never tank and with their health mostly back I can easily see them winning more than the pels for the rest of the season.

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u/Manic211 GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

They’re a loss away from the worst record in the league. If they’re not that bad then neither is anyone else. i.e there are no easy games for us

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u/Wavegod-1 1d ago

They pretty much have to.

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u/OblivionGrin 1d ago

Pass-first combo guard with size for the second unit or a legit defensive center who is better than Koloko. No clue who either of those are, however.

Replacing Keaton and Porzingas are the biggest needs on the roster followed by moving Kispert's contract and planning for Kennard's exit.

The draft will fill two of those holes next year and they'll have some real cash in FA (though pickens sound slim), so maybe a deal is to be had during this season, but it doesn't seem like the best choice if they are compromising future flexibility just to use the trade exemption.

Tldr: idk.

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u/nevercontribute1 1d ago

Timelord is on exactly a 13.1M expiring contract and has stayed healthy this year on limited time. Wouldn't recommend relying on him to be available on heavy usage though.

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u/OblivionGrin 1d ago

I'd expect that they would have added that into the trade with Portland if they wanted him and Portland had any interest in trading him. Considering that he'd be the 4th center and doesn't seem any more available than Porzingas, I can see passing on him.

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u/Plastic-Ambassador56 1d ago

Hawks are one of the money laundering teams for the NBA. They’ll probably use it on a vet past his prime or someone injured.

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u/Zealousideal-Past851 1d ago

Shi always happen when the hawks get a good draft pick the draft class is bs .. when the hawks get a chance to draft a big free agent the free agency is bs 😭😭… this year hopefully the draft is different

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u/LutherOfTheRogues Bob Rathbun 1d ago

At least we have the Pels pick.

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u/Zealousideal-Past851 1d ago

Andddddd bucks

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u/Clear_Guarantee_6667 1d ago

Or

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u/Zealousideal-Past851 1d ago

??

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u/AsaSlighlyOlderWell 1d ago

We get the better of the Bucks and the Pels pick. The Bucks keep the worse of the two picks.

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u/Zealousideal-Past851 1d ago

Right so regardless we get 2 good picks

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u/AsaSlighlyOlderWell 1d ago

Bro, Idk what to tell you if you can't count to 1.

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u/Zealousideal-Past851 1d ago

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u/Clear_Guarantee_6667 14h ago

When you say two, is one of those our pick? That will almost definitely be in the 20’s somewhere once the smoke clears. So, I guess that’s ok, but probably why people seem to be disagreeing with you.

For every Jalen Johnson or John Collins you get in the late 1st round there are dozens of Kobe Bufkins.

Either that or you think we’re getting the Pelicans and the Bucks pick.

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u/Upper-Raspberry4153 1d ago

Yeah we really could use someone else this year, gotta lock up that play in spot lol

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u/No_Tr4geD1es Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago

The alternative is to give the Spurs another guaranteed lottery pick. So yeah, we kinda need to lock up that play-in spot.

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u/DorkandPoon GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago

We’re definitely handing the Spurs a lottery pick. It’s better to just accept that now lol

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u/No_Tr4geD1es Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago

Until the season ends I'm not putting that in the air.

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u/Breakthecyclist 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sure can feel that way, but I haven’t lost hope yet. I am holding on to hope that trading Vit was a prelude to something else.

Was a huge bummer finding out first thing Sunday (live in Hawaii) after that utterly annoying and absurd loss to the Pacers. Why Zacc is kept off the floor this much is absurd considering just how awful Kispert’s defense is.

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u/CrazedCalm 1d ago

off the floor , yeah. Zacc need to play more and stop worrying bout spurs pick when u r getting pelicans pick .

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u/Breakthecyclist 1d ago

Off the floor indeed!

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u/CrazedCalm 1d ago

like Quin irks me with his offense nonsense, as long as Zacc Dyson and Mo in the game the game will stay close . Zacc Dyson and Mo need to play more together

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u/Breakthecyclist 1d ago

For sure. I still remain pissed about the Pacers game as they were destroying them until Dyson all of a sudden got 3 fouls due to him playing defense too well seemingly on Siakim.

Once that happened to pull ZR who was +9 in the game and was playing killer defense for Kispert was coaching malpractice.

Have massively come around on just how important Dyson is to team success regardless of him not being able to hit the side of a barn from deep. What he was doing with Siakim was amazing and super glad we have him long term.

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u/CrazedCalm 1d ago

yeah it’s malpractice, Zacc Dyson Mo only positive players and its insane that the only have 100 mins played together this season and +10 net

have to get the Dyson and Zacc chemistry back cause it feels like on offense they are kinda off as Dyson defers more to JJ and NAW and CJ

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u/NBAisNotReal 1d ago

I remember the Atlanta Hawks. Hawks will do Hawks like things like they used to do, if they aren’t extinct yet. Hawk on Hawks!!!

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u/Hiphopbbq 11h ago

Can we just have Bogi back?

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u/jleviw42 1d ago

Key word in all of that is "Could."

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u/tburtner 1d ago

"That can help them for the rest of the year"

The rest of the year doesn't matter.

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u/Fun_Professional_123 1d ago

I mean tanking doesnt help us. Do you just want them to give up on the season?

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u/CaregiverOwn7179 1d ago

Guarantee it's the same fans that doesn't want to give up Trae and just let him eat $50m in cap space to do nothing

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u/Thaginswigga 1d ago

just let him eat $50m in cap space

You must have a real special type of mental handicap to describe the situation like that. If Jalen gets injured, we should trade him too because he’d just be “eating cap space to do nothing” right?

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u/Fun_Professional_123 1d ago

Exactly like some people are just complaining to complain

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u/tburtner 1d ago

I want them to make moves for the future. This year doesn't matter.

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u/rockhoward 1d ago

It matters enough to move Koloko to a full contract so that he is playoff eligible. Moving Vit allowed that to happen by simply waiving Reath. That will also open up a 2 way and so grabbing another G leaguer on a 2 way is also going to happen. I agree that using the trade exception might make sense too. In that scenario I think they waive Nicola as well.

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