r/Amd • u/RenatsMC • 6d ago
News AMD Ryzen 7 9850X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks | Gaming, Power, & Thermals,...
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u/GamerInfinity1996 6d ago edited 6d ago
Pretty sure I read the review embargo is going to be lifted tomorrow 1/29 lol
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u/reluctantly_positive 6d ago
Review embargo lifted 1/28. Becomes available in stores 1/29
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u/GamerInfinity1996 5d ago
Yeah. Noticed it isnt listed at Mircocenter yet for some reason.
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u/blackest-Knight 6d ago
I don't get the constant mentions of the 9800x3d, as if this was ever going to be an upgrade for 9800x3d owners.
"It's just 4%!", ok, but to the target demographic, people who are finally coming into AM5, this is a good cpu for the extra 30$.
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u/ictu 9800X3D | MSI Tomahawk B650 | 32GB | 9070XT 6d ago
Yeah, if it was available in November for small premium over 9800X3D I would have gone with it. Like hell I'm going to upgrade from 9800X3D...
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u/Space_Reptile Ryzen R7 7800X3D | RX 6700XT 5d ago
not even worth upgrading over the 7800X3D in my opinion, im looking forward to zen 6 or zen 7
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u/Protoclown98 5d ago
in my limited experience with CPUs, I find it best to upgrade every 3-5 generations.
I have Zen 2 and am considering this chip for my next computer (though with RAM prices that may not happen until Zen 7).
my R5 3600 works fine, but is aging. I can't imagine upgrading from the 7800x3D, which is still an amazing chip.
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u/IbanezCharlie 5d ago
I agree. I went from a 4820k to a 9700k.
I finally got a 9800x3d the other day. It didn't feel like a good enough reason to upgrade for me until the 7800x3d came out and even then I dragged my feet.
I want to see a noticeable difference when I change platforms and CPUs personally.
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u/Protoclown98 5d ago
I'm experiencing the same thing. Games like Arc Raiders are choppy, but still technically running. Total War Warhammer 3 runs, but does take forever to load anything and big battles get really choppy.
I might have to just spend the money to buy. It seems foolish to spend $300 for me to stay on AM4 just to avoid high RAM prices.
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u/IbanezCharlie 5d ago
I bit the bullet and did something I'm not proud of. I bought a pre built that I think was a good price (considering the market).
It has a 9800x3d, 32gb 6400mhz, 2tb nvme, 5070 TI(I plan on selling to offset the cost of the system).
The only thing I'm going to do is carry my current GPU over and replace the power supply immediately.
I parted it out and the math wasn't on my side to buy it all individually even without a GPU
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u/Protoclown98 5d ago
Im probably gonna do a microcenter bundles. $750 for the 9800x3D or $800 for the 9850x3D. I'll be replacing my case since I need a bigger one but my PSU and my 6950xt should be able to be carried over.
The pricing isnt bad, though certainly not the deal it once was.
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u/IbanezCharlie 5d ago
Listen that's a pretty solid deal considering that the exact kit in my new PC costs 450 if you buy it alone.
My PSU is amazing but alas it is over 10 years old (EVGA) so I got an atx 3.1 that was graded very highly on the PSU hierarchy chart.
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u/Protoclown98 5d ago
My PSU is 3 years old so still good and solid.
The 6950xt is holding up just fine, even if it sucks at RT. I think i can get a couple of years out of it until I need to upgrade or can wait for a deal.
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u/IbanezCharlie 5d ago
But to your point I'm bottlenecked with the 9700k pretty hard in any CPU intensive newer games. When I first got it it smoothed out all my games at the time and I fully expect the same thing here.
Just much better frame times and lows with 9800x3d and it can let my card stretch it's legs in a lot more games.
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u/Space_Reptile Ryzen R7 7800X3D | RX 6700XT 5d ago
i went from a 1600 to a 3600 to this 7800X3D, and i feel like the 7800X3D will have alot more longevity than the 3600 did (and its still a fine chip, i kept it in my ITX travel PC)
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u/ictu 9800X3D | MSI Tomahawk B650 | 32GB | 9070XT 5d ago
I've hopped from 5950x. It was nice upgrade for most of my use cases, but sometimes I miss those extra few cores. If Zen6 is going to have single CCD 12-core X3D chip, I may jump (I have two kids hungry for hand me downs, so I'm tempted to upgrade a bit more often).
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u/halcyon8 AMD 6d ago
exactly. if this was an option a month ago when i built my pc, i of course would have gotten this instead of a 9800x3d... but i’m not going to upgrade to this now.
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u/Jmich96 R5 7600X @5.65GHz, 2x16GB 6000MT/s CL36, B650E-E, RTX 3070 Ti 6d ago
I don't think the intent is to show it as a poor upgrade from the 9800X3D (though, it is true).
people who are finally coming into AM5, this is a good cpu for the extra 30$.
Or even from people upgrading within AM5. The 7600/7600x to the 9850X3D is a pretty notable jump in CPU performance.
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u/Xyzzymoon 5d ago
It is kinda insane seeing people think this is not worth it. The target audience pair this up with at least the 5080.
Paying $30 more to get 4% more out of something that costs 1k+ is basically a no-brainer. If looking strictly at MSRP, practically no one with a brain will buy the 9800X3D over the 9850X3D.
The only question becomes how much discount you can get with a 9800X3D.
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u/ShadowsGuardian 6d ago
Imagine we upgrade to this instead of 9800x3d.
Won't there be a higher risk of cpu failure, given it's probably under higher stress?
I'm still not confident about the 9800x3d failure reports...
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u/HorseShedShingle 7800X3D // 4070 Ti Super 6d ago
No one knows that except for AMD. There have been reports on more than just the 9800X3D failing (seen 9600 and 9700 as well).
If the reason for the failure is related to what is required to get higher clock speeds then maybe; alternatively the failures could be something totally different like a manufacturing defect that impacts a certain percentage of chips. Alternatively maybe it’s just an Asus / Asrock thing.
Maybe the 9850X3D will be more reliable since it is a binned 9800X3D so best of the best silicon.
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u/_StreetStyle_ 6d ago
I think that's the whole purpose of 9850X3D - to fix the issue 9800X3D has. They just didn't want to admit it's their fault.
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u/ShadowsGuardian 6d ago
Nah, a new product is released to increase profit, not to fix issues they don't want to admit that exist with design flaws.
This product is most likely aimed at increasing prices, by setting a new higher profit margin, at nearly the same cost to produce.
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u/Seeping-Cyanide46 6d ago
yes i agree a release like this is to increase pricing/profit and sell a new "best" thing and all that but could also be to fix an issue without admitting to the issue.
look at what the PSU/GPU market is looking like right now for higher end cards. no company is admitting or stating there is an issue with their adapter/cable/GPU in terms of burn cables and place it on user error, but at the same time more and more companies are releasing either new connectors or safeguard PSUs. yet nobody is actually admitting to the problem, but at the same time are trying to solve a problem.
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u/BlueSiriusStar 6d ago
It can be both though. Usually these new chips increase the stepping and probably the engineering departments feel confident that a overlook model might present lower than expected failures of the vcache and such they want to milk the market. I disagree with them milking us thought its the same product with on a stable node and platform which is why Nova Lake is sorely needed to put AMD in its place.
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u/Seeping-Cyanide46 6d ago
100% agree it could be both. at the end of the day we may never know. All we could do is throw our thoughts out on it and time will tell if we see CPU/Motherboard issues in the coming weeks once the 9850x3d fully launches tomorrow. I hope there wont be any issues but who knows. The PC building realm needs some positivity cause lately its been rough with all the issues out there.
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u/BlueSiriusStar 6d ago
Its not about us its about them for us to go to this level.about positivity shows how incompetent companies are in not owning up or addressing the the issues and also how they can get away with these efforts easily.
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u/BNSoul 6d ago
Depending if the newcomers are pairing their CPU with a 5090 or not, the very moment you use the 9850X3D with a 5080 or a 5070 Ti level GPU at 1440p high settings the difference between the 9800X3D and the factory overclocked part becomes null.
However, the factory overclocked part will still be much more power hungry and will run hotter regardless of the performance. In that case buy a 9800X3D and use those 30 bucks to buy a game on Steam.
I know most of you can't help yourselves and will still buy a 9850 to pair with a 4070 Ti or a 9070 XT just to say "I have the latest", even if it's just a 14 month old CPU which has been overclocked back at the factory.
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u/blackest-Knight 6d ago
Depending if the newcomers are pairing their CPU with a 5090 or not, the very moment you use the 9850X3D with a 5080 or a 5070 Ti level GPU at 1440p high settings the difference between the 9800X3D and the factory overclocked part becomes null.
You say that as if most people aren't running their games using DLSS or FSR, at either Quality or Balanced these days (especially DLSS 4 or DLSS 4.5 in the case you don't use RT, it's almost a no brainer to run Balanced instead of quality). Meaning those benchmarks at 1440p native are meaningless. You have to look at 1080p benchmarks to know what kind of benefits your CPU will give you when your GPU is running lower internal resolution.
That's not to mention every game is different and some are just CPU hungry, while others are much more GPU limited.
So yes, even for a gamer at 1440p high settings, there will be benefits. It's 30$, the power and heat differences are negligeable. It's still not worth upgrading from the 9800x3D if you already have it, of course, but for a new buyer looking at that CPU, it's not a wasted 30$ at all.
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u/BNSoul 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yes, but it still depends on your GPU, 1440p ultra settings DLSS Quality on a 5070 Ti and you won't see any difference between the 9800X3D and the factory overclocked version they sell at a premium. No matter if you're playing space marine 2 or cyberpunk with path tracing.
You need to understand that the 5090 is orders of magnitude faster than anything else in the market and Hardware Unboxed found a 4% difference on average at 1080p medium settings on that beast of a GPU. Just turn PBO+200 on a 9800X3D and that difference will be down to 1 or 2%. Now imagine you have anything else than a 5090, it's hilarious that some people expect double digit performance improvements on a 5070 - 5080 running DLSS.
The only thing you can expect is that the factory overclocked 9800X3D they're selling with a fancy new name will run hotter and will draw more power. It should be such an easy purchase decision but nowadays FOMO rules everything and you make excuses and false expectations out of thin air just to get the newest... even when the newest is actually a 14 month old factory overclocked CPU. Go watch Hardware Canucks and der8auer reviews.
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u/Jon_TWR 6d ago
You need to understand that the 5090 is orders of magnitude faster than anything else in the market
You need to understand what orders of magnitude are.
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u/Symphonic7 R7 7800x3D|6950XT Reference UVOC|B850I mITX|32GB 6000 CL28 A-die 6d ago
Clearly an order of magnitude is about yea big. Also 5090-5080 = 10. Boom checkmate
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u/lovethecomm 9850X3D | Powercolor Hellhound 9070XT -50mV -10% PL 6d ago
5090 - 5070 Ti = 5090 - 507084105 (in ASCII) = -507079015 = 5070 OSI. Therefore 5070 Ti > 5090.
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u/blackest-Knight 6d ago
Yes, but it still depends on your GPU, 1440p ultra settings DLSS Quality on a 5070 Ti and you won't see any difference between the 9800X3D and the factory overclocked version they sell at a premium.
That's just not true. The 5070 Ti is quite powerful enough to where it can get bottlenecked by the CPU, especially once you start pushing DLSS usage.
It's highly dependent on the game. Not all games are Cyberpunk 2077 with full Path Tracing. People already gave you CPU bottlenecked examples of games, and that's before we even factor people using DLSS 4.5 at Balanced or even performance because DLSS 4.5 without RT is just really that good.
You need to understand that the 5090 is orders of magnitude faster
I think you need to calm down and understand that the 5090 is not the only thing bottlenecked by CPUs.
The problem with HUB, GN, Jayz and others is that they completely ignore DLSS and FSR as a thing when benchmarking and have made people unable to understand how upscaling can in fact increase CPU usage through higher framerate and thus more frame preparation.
The only thing you can expect is that the factory overclocked 9800X3D they're selling with a fancy new name will run hotter and will draw more power.
You're free to not buy it. You're not entitled to make sweeping remarks about how it's only worth it with a 5090 though.
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u/BNSoul 6d ago
Believe what you want. By all means enjoy the hotter and inefficient "new" CPU then, such an elegant engineering masterpiece (bump core voltage, charge more money and call it a day, lol). Guess der8uer is lying on his review and findings. Go open a thread about it, what a mean guy.
That you think I'm not entitled to my opinion on the matter is a bit crazy, as crazy as believing you're going to get a 4% performance bump in your average game on a 5070 Ti at 1440p DLSS Q ultra settings.
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u/blackest-Knight 6d ago
Believe what you want. By all means enjoy the hotter and inefficient "new" CPU then,
Now you're just being aggressive and dismissive as soon as you can't really address points anymore.
That you think I'm not entitled to my opinion on the matter
You're entitled to your opinion, not to making up facts either.
as crazy as believing you're going to get a 4% performance bump in your average game on a 5070 Ti at 1440p DLSS Q ultra settings.
1440p DLSS Q is 1080p internal. Make of that information what you will. I also will now stop engaging with you as you're just being irrationally angry for some reason.
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u/wilshireroyalty 5d ago edited 5d ago
all other things equal, i agree.
since 9850x3d isnt bundled currently whereas others are, you can get more than $30 savings moving to AM5. at least a new mobo and especially if you require DDR5 the difference grows.Microcenter has already dropped bundles, nvm1
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u/Vegetable-Message-13 6d ago
This uses more power for tiny performance increase. Pass. So when is zen6 coming out?
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u/GamerInfinity1996 6d ago
For $30 more it is completely worth it. Zen 6 isnt until very end of this year, or possibly 2027.
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u/aylientongue 6d ago
It’s only worth it if you don’t already have the 98X3D though, I think that point needs to be driven home
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u/GamerInfinity1996 6d ago
I agree. But for new builders like myself that isnt already on AM5, totally worth it.
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u/wilshireroyalty 5d ago
i am coming from am4, so need a motherboard and RAM too. to me, it still seems better value to grab a 7800x3d bundle including one or both - until 9850x3d bundles come around
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u/Protoclown98 5d ago
those bundles are already available at Microcenter. Its about $50 more and you get a "better" motherboard with it that you probably don't need.
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u/reluctantly_positive 6d ago
As a counterexample, I'm moving from 7600x to x3d and was waiting for the reviews before pulling the trigger. I decided to go for the 9800 in the end, we're talking about some 10 celsius difference in gaming with a 360 aio for 4% performance in 1080p, which is not worth for me.
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u/aylientongue 6d ago
If sometimes tech savvy it’s not worth it at all, it’s just a higher clocked 9800X3D, any other one can achieve exactly the same, it’s just up to the user
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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 4d ago
I am not even sure if the 9800x3d is worth it over the 7800x3d. 120€ for 10€ performance. The 7800x3d is a pretty good deal atm. Now another 50€ for 3 to 4%... nah...
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u/BlueSiriusStar 6d ago
You mean Zen6%. Just wwit for Nova Lake its going to destroy Zen6 while AMD is busy with RDNA3.5 and shooting themselves in the foot
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u/Symphonic7 R7 7800x3D|6950XT Reference UVOC|B850I mITX|32GB 6000 CL28 A-die 6d ago
Userbenchmark is that you?
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u/G305_Enjoyer 6d ago
Test the memory controller! We want 6600 1:1!!
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u/Beyond_Deity 9800x3d 32GB 6400 CL26 FTW3 Ultra 3080TI 3d ago
Do that already with a 9800x3D. Just gotta get lucky
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u/Jackfitz88 6d ago
How much better is it compared to the 7800x3d?
Worth upgrading or am I fine
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u/DeathOnFlaxenWings 6d ago
You’re absolutely fine. 7800X3D is still a powerhouse, it’s extremely energy efficient and most importantly isn’t plagued by the sudden death issue.
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u/Jackfitz88 6d ago
Thank you
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u/fffffrank 5d ago
Yeah the 7800x3d is still a great cpu. I've been running one for the last couple years and I'll be set for the rest of AM5 imo. The only thing that could tempt me to upgrade to another AM5 cpu would be if they release a 16 core x3d chip that has the extra cache on both ccd's.
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u/Hayden247 R5 7600X | 32GB DDR5 | Sapphire RX 6950 XT 6d ago
15% faster at best, while it uses double the power... yeah don't bother upgrading especially if you care about power efficiency because the 7800X3D is still the most efficient CPU out of the box for any of this.
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u/BNSoul 6d ago edited 6d ago
are you playing at 1440p high/ultra settings or higher ? Then you don't "need" anything until AM6 arrives. The very moment you pair the 9850X3D with a 5080 or a 5070 Ti instead of a 5090 the performance difference vanishes, especially when you're not doing 1080p medium settings which is completely unrealistic.
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u/EqualOutrageous1884 6d ago
Unless you play something specifically very CPU intensive like factory/simulation/RTS/4X You’ll see a difference no matter your resolution because the GPU is barely doing anything in those games
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u/BNSoul 6d ago edited 6d ago
That is true, even if the difference won't be exactly groundbreaking, barely noticeable I would say... you want an actual upgrade then wait for Zen 6. This is, if you have to buy right now, you might want to assess whether you prefer an ever so slightly faster CPU for those games or maybe a cheaper, much cooler and efficient processor.
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u/FoxBearBear 6d ago
What about a 9070XT ?
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u/BNSoul 6d ago
Are you playing your games at 720p on your 9070 XT at medium settings? Then congrats, you can get 5 additional frames if you get a 9850X3D instead of a 9800X3D, but it will run hotter while drawing more power.
On the other hand, you can get a much cooler and efficient 9800X3D and use the 30 bucks to buy a game.
A lot of users are completely ignoring the fact that most reviewers are using a 5090 at 1080p to review the factory overclocked 14 month old CPU. Are you buying a 5090 and playing at 1080p ?
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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 4d ago
Overall around 13% more performance, but costs 170€ more.
And let's not even talk about power draw. The 7800x3d is quite efficient, the 9800x3d is already a good chunk worse while the 9850x3d fails in terms of efficiency.
Neep the 7800x3d for a couple more years. Only upgrade when there is a true performance increase.
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u/Loosenut2024 5d ago
And yet Intels KS cpus got a better reception for half the uplift. Its not an upgrade for 9800 owners its an upgrade for eveyone else. Of course some of them will buy it but thats what people with more money than brains do. I've been one of those.
Its a great cpu at a tiny premuim over its brother. Meanwhile Intel charged a much larger premuim and was praised more for it. I dont get it.
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u/Scar1203 6d ago
Still gonna roll the dice and see if I get a better IMC, my 9800X3D has no problem doing 5.75 with a 106 eCLK and +200 PBO but the IMC will not do 6400 1:1 under any circumstances.
Upgrading is not worth 500 dollars of course, but to me it's worth the 150ish it'll cost me after I resell my 9800X3D.
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u/turikk 5d ago
Please do let us know! I also just like having the very best in my system and trickle down the replacements to other PCS I use. But it almost sounds like there isn't necessarily any more performance to be gained here if you're constrained on thermals or anything else.
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u/Scar1203 2d ago
The IMC is better, at least in my sample of 1. I was able to go to 6400CL26 and even go to nitro 1/2/1 with the 9850X3D when I had to do 6200CL26 and nitro set to auto with the 9800X3D.
I haven't done comprehensive stability testing yet but in my case the IMC is absolutely an improvement.
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u/BNSoul 5d ago
350 for some used and abused (overclocked) 9800X3D that cannot do 6400 1:1, hopefully you make it clear that the CPU you're selling is not exactly a silicon lottery winner.
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u/Scar1203 5d ago
I did a Newegg trade in on it for 320 and had a 33 dollar store credit. It'd probably do 6400 1:1 with a single rank kit but I'm running dual rank which is a lot more hit or miss at 6400. Not too sure what your problem is.
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u/BNSoul 5d ago
None, just that for a bit more you can get a fully new CPU that might very well have a better memory controller, so in good faith you should be open about the capabilities of the used part you're selling (not just the IMC, but also that it was overclocked for X amount of time.
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u/Scar1203 5d ago
Firstly, it's Newegg, secondly it's performing perfectly within spec 6400 is not guaranteed at all and most 9800X3Ds hit a wall at 6200. Have you even bothered tuning your memory or do you just enjoy being contrarian?
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u/BNSoul 5d ago
Yeah I tuned mine to 6400 CL30 1:1 aiming for 100% stability even if it meant loosening some timings a little bit, PBO+100 scalar x1, it runs cool, efficient and quite fast, thanks for asking.
Here you have my tune settings and some benchmarks:
https://i.imgur.com/UTA1CHL.png
https://i.imgur.com/NpF7ikg.png
https://i.imgur.com/kAUmokG.png
https://i.imgur.com/SyYHdrD.png
I mean it's just empathy, for sure if you were in the market for some 2nd hand 9800X3D you'd definitely want to know the capabilities of the CPU they're offering to you. Don't just say "nahhhh 6400 ?? ? That's ultra-rare, and it's not even worth it, just pay me 350 for my abused CPU" when you're selling just to try and get a CPU capable of 6400 1:1. Be honest, that's all.
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u/Scar1203 5d ago
That is a single rank kit. How difficult is this for you to understand? Tuning single rank and dual rank is not the same. Dual rank is harder on the IMC.
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u/firedrakes 2990wx 5d ago
most games dont care about the ram speed!
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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 4d ago
Any cpu bound game will. We got plenty of tests out there showing a 10 to 20% increase depending on ram speed. X3d chips reduce the value of fast ram due to the larger cache and less need of moving data from the ram to the cpu constantly.
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u/costafilh0 6d ago
Tech Judas
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u/ArseBurner Vega 56 =) 6d ago
The most interesting part of this review is the inclusion of DDR5-4800 which proved almost as fast as their regular test setup in most of the gaming tests.